For your reading pleasure, Buster
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Where do the most people get killed with deadly weapons in the city of NY?
What are the descriptions of the victim and the perp.?
WOuld it stand to reason that more police resources are allocated to and NEEDED in these communities and, the horror, there are more suspiciously acting people cuing cops with their body language?
Go ahead and focus on the instances where there are bad stops. I'll sleep tightly knowing thousands, THOUSANDS of young lives were saved in NY by pro-active policing, strategically deployed.
Bloomberg is a tyrant.
Isn't most all of this stop and frisk done on private property, as not in the subway or Central Park?
We either believe the constitution ought to be obeyed, or we don't.
"Reasonable suspicion" is a subjective and useless phrase.
I believe most of our cops are really good people. But i don't believe our laws should make any such assumption.
Venture to speculate that if it was cultivated white kids littering the streets, instead of 3-4th generation minority welfare kids.... your cavalier dismissal of NYS CPL 140.50 (which authorizes SQ&F...not Bloomberg) would instead be a blood curdling scream for more cops/enforcement etc.
I rest my case.
Note, anyone at all is free to sue the city for a stop and frisk in violation of their fourth amendment rights - that is, one unexplainable by reasonable suspicion. When a few of those go through and are proven out, you can get back to me. Until then, what we have is a working policy and people who are complaining - without much in the way of evidence - that they were stopped for being black.
If random "walking while black" stops were endemic, you'd think there'd be one or two with witnesses filing complaints.
The reality of any professional policing is based on observation and judgment based on criteria. Profiling is based on documented criteria not skin color, religion or zip code. The fact that this action has actually made people secure in their persons is completely ignored by those who see this as a one sided Constitutional issue.
Last edited by Winstonbiggs; 05-08-2013 at 09:23 AM.
Some people appear to embrace a full blown police state. Quite scary.