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Thread: Bloomberg eviscerates the NY Times over "stop & frisk"

  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by parafly View Post
    Some people appear to embrace a full blown police state. Quite scary.
    Or people just being emotional and not wanting to see things for what they are.

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by cr726 View Post
    Or people just being emotional and not wanting to see things for what they are.
    What are they?

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by parafly View Post
    Some people appear to embrace a full blown police state. Quite scary.
    Some people appear to embrace full blown anarchy. Quite scary.

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    Some people appear to embrace full blown anarchy. Quite scary.
    There's a difference between saying "reasonable suspicion is an appropriate standard for allowing a Terry stop" and what Palmetto said - which was, essentially, "screw the constitution - if it makes people safer it's ok, constitution or no constitution"

    You down with the latter?

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    Times have changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apache 51 View Post
    Times have changed.
    And so has policing the community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cr726 View Post
    And so has policing the community.
    Sometimes the few have to suffer for the many.

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    Maybe they should try this tactic in Chicago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apache 51 View Post
    Sometimes the few have to suffer for the many.
    I take it you're offering to be part of the suffering few, right?

    And btw, the good of the many, in this particular case, is the rigorous application of constitutional rights.

    Which, again, the stop and frisks don't actually violate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trades View Post
    Maybe they should try this tactic in Chicago.
    How do you know they haven't?

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    So Carlos Slim dictates to Wall Street as well? And the Koch brothers? Having money is not always power. And his news outlests pale in comparison to Murdoch's.
    A criminal of any color has easy access to guns - period. When we imprison them they lose access.
    If you are not a criminal, you have nothing to worry about. Businesmen in $3000 suits at Wall and Broad are not getting stopped. Dirtbags get stopped. It's the right way to do things.
    Money is control and control is power and power is everything.

    Forget that Slim is a scheister. The Rockefellers and Rothschilds started the same way.

    You are talking about a noble methodology that exists only in your mind, because they want you to believe it exists.

    Some day you will lose everything you have, that is certain, and curse that noble idea for a false notion. I don't expect you to realize it now.

    But you will, and you will ask yourself why you were such a fool to believe it.

    It's never too soon to wake up to reality.

  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by doggin94it View Post
    IAnd btw, the good of the many, in this particular case, is the rigorous application of constitutional rights.

    Which, again, the stop and frisks don't actually violate.
    I grabbed this from your wiki link as it's far better articulated than i am capable:
    Dissenting opinion

    Justice Douglas strongly disagreed with permitting a stop and search absent probable cause:

    "We hold today that the police have greater authority to make a 'seizure' and conduct a 'search' than a judge has to authorize such action. We have said precisely the opposite over and over again."[6]

    "To give the police greater power than a magistrate is to take a long step down the totalitarian path. Perhaps such a step is desirable to cope with modern forms of lawlessness. But if it is taken, it should be the deliberate choice of the people through a constitutional amendment."[7]
    bolding is mine.

    You can make a case that terry stops are necessary to protect officers in the performance of their duties and the public at large. But you ought to make that case and amend the constitution through the legislature, not the courts as happened via Terry v. Ohio

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    Quote Originally Posted by doggin94it View Post
    I take it you're offering to be part of the suffering few, right?

    And btw, the good of the many, in this particular case, is the rigorous application of constitutional rights.

    Which, again, the stop and frisks don't actually violate.
    I'm pro law enforcement.

  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Apache 51 View Post
    I'm pro law enforcement.
    regardless of the laws being enforced?... that's a pretty scary statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axil View Post
    I grabbed this from your wiki link as it's far better articulated than i am capable:


    bolding is mine.

    You can make a case that terry stops are necessary to protect officers in the performance of their duties and the public at large. But you ought to make that case and amend the constitution through the legislature, not the courts as happened via Terry v. Ohio
    Terry vs. Ohio is for stop and frisk . A frisk is not a search, it is done for the safety of the officer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axil View Post
    regardless of the laws being enforced?... that's a pretty scary statement.
    Once again, I'm pro law enforcement.

  17. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by cr726 View Post
    Terry vs. Ohio is for stop and frisk . A frisk is not a search, it is done for the safety of the officer.
    Is this sarcastic? If not I'm afraid i don't understand your post.

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Axil View Post
    Is this sarcastic? If not I'm afraid i don't understand your post.
    Frisk is not a search, you and the Justice are wrong hence the ruling.

  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by cr726 View Post
    Frisk is not a search, you and the Justice are wrong hence the ruling.
    You are mistaken.

    From Merriam Webster, bolding mine.

    Definition of SEARCH
    transitive verb
    1
    : to look into or over carefully or thoroughly in an effort to find or discover something: as
    a : to examine in seeking something <searched the north field>
    b : to look through or explore by inspecting possible places of concealment or investigating suspicious circumstances
    c : to read thoroughly : check; especially : to examine a public record or register for information about <search land titles>
    d : to examine for articles concealed on the person
    e : to look at as if to discover or penetrate intention or nature
    2
    : to uncover, find, or come to know by inquiry or scrutiny —usually used with out
    *edit* and amusingly one of the examples given is:

    "The police searched her for concealed weapons."

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    Here is the legal definition of FRISK:

    A frisk is a type of search that requires a patdown of the suspect's outer clothing; it may be conducted only to discover whether the suspect is armed, not to search for evidence.



    Quote Originally Posted by Axil View Post
    You are mistaken.

    From Merriam Webster, bolding mine.



    *edit* and amusingly one of the examples given is:

    "The police searched her for concealed weapons."

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