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    What NFL QBs had a subpar first 3 to 4 years and then succeeded?

    During his first 2 years I think 95% of Jets fans saw Sanchez as the answer and thought the Jets finally had their longterm QB in place. We were expecting him to continue to progress, to really take the reigns and make the next step to being a Top 10 QB after 2 decent years and lots of playoff success.

    We didn't think he'd plateau and we certainly didn't expect him to regress and get worse. A lot of his regression is on him but there are definitely some contributing factors (multiple offensive systems, the degradation of the Jets offensive line - Wayne Hunter, the loss of major weapons in Edwards, Tomlinson, etc, the loss of the running game as a crutch, injuries in 2012 to Keller, Holmes).

    My question is a simple one - Is there any hope at all for Sanchez to solve his problems and earn the starting job? Take your emotions out of it, forget how much you like or hate the guy....Is Mark Sanchez's career still salvageable under a new OC in Mornhinweg and with a better supporting cast?

    Have we seen any other NFL QBs meander around, have fits and starts, some success and several failures.....and then break through to become a good starter under the right circumstances?

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    Gannon. That's the prototype for the belief that there's still hope for Sanchez, but if people can find more than a couple of other examples I'll be surprised.

    EDIT: I guess you could add Vinny, though you could also argue there were really only two seasons ('96 & '98) where he was a "good" starter.
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    maybe plunkett. but it's definitely the exception, not the rule.

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    Has ANY QB been able to do that?

    I sure can't think of any! And Sanchez can't read a Defense to save his life.

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    Gannon or Alex Smith maybe.

    Realistically, Sanchez was as terrible in year 4 as he was in year 1. No growth, no improvement, just a lot more money in his pockets courtesy of Woody Johnson. Maybe if he had a brain transplant he could be league average... maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by augustiniak View Post
    maybe plunkett. but it's definitely the exception, not the rule.
    Plunketts Raiders won.

    If Sanchez put up numbers that Plunkett did during those seasons he would be run out of here in a minute.

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    Brees.

    Didn't start playing well until year 4 in San Diego, had a hiccup (compared to year 4) year 5, went to NO, and the rest is history.

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    Eli's first four years were pretty mediocre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RIJetFan View Post
    Eli's first four years were pretty mediocre.
    That's being nice.

    He had a couple of awful years.

    2 Superbowls now. Whether or not they were skill or luck, you can't take them away from him.

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    Eli Manning was a couple of bad games from being benched, the year he won his 1st SB.

    Didn't Steve Young kind of suck for a while?

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    I think that people are forgetting or failing to realize that Sanchez has NOT progressed AT ALL since his rookie year, and every year he says the same crap, studies with someone new, then looks like a total ASS on the field.
    The kid is done. He never was and he never will be.

    We swung hard and hit a foul ball. What can you do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Nut View Post
    Plunketts Raiders won.

    If Sanchez put up numbers that Plunkett did during those seasons he would be run out of here in a minute.
    He played 7 years before the rules changes plus he never had a 3,000 yd passing season..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman Harris View Post
    I think that people are forgetting or failing to realize that Sanchez has NOT progressed AT ALL since his rookie year, and every year he says the same crap, studies with someone new, then looks like a total ASS on the field.
    The kid is done. He never was and he never will be.

    We swung hard and hit a foul ball. What can you do
    Exactly, you could take a bad game from his rookie year and one from year 4 and it is the same exact mistakes, the same errors. No growth, no improvement. People say he regressed. That implies that he was a consistently good player that slowly became bad again. He was always bad even if he had occasional stretches of decent play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chupa View Post
    Eli Manning was a couple of bad games from being benched, the year he won his 1st SB.

    Didn't Steve Young kind of suck for a while?
    With the Tampa Bay Buc's yes..

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickBri481 View Post
    Gannon or Alex Smith maybe.

    Realistically, Sanchez was as terrible in year 4 as he was in year 1. No growth, no improvement, just a lot more money in his pockets courtesy of Woody Johnson. Maybe if he had a brain transplant he could be league average... maybe.

    and yet, in Year 3 he broke the franchise record for most total TD's in a season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jetstream23 View Post
    During his first 2 years I think 95% of Jets fans saw Sanchez as the answer and thought the Jets finally had their longterm QB in place. We were expecting him to continue to progress, to really take the reigns and make the next step to being a Top 10 QB after 2 decent years and lots of playoff success.

    We didn't think he'd plateau and we certainly didn't expect him to regress and get worse. A lot of his regression is on him but there are definitely some contributing factors (multiple offensive systems, the degradation of the Jets offensive line - Wayne Hunter, the loss of major weapons in Edwards, Tomlinson, etc, the loss of the running game as a crutch, injuries in 2012 to Keller, Holmes).

    My question is a simple one - Is there any hope at all for Sanchez to solve his problems and earn the starting job? Take your emotions out of it, forget how much you like or hate the guy....Is Mark Sanchez's career still salvageable under a new OC in Mornhinweg and with a better supporting cast?

    Have we seen any other NFL QBs meander around, have fits and starts, some success and several failures.....and then break through to become a good starter under the right circumstances?
    Sure seemed like Vinny T did.

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    Doug Williams
    Steve Young
    Steve Deberg
    Rich Gannon
    Wade Wilson
    Vinny testaverde
    Vince Evans
    Or any Qb who Started playing for the Bucs

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickBri481 View Post
    Exactly, you could take a bad game from his rookie year and one from year 4 and it is the same exact mistakes, the same errors. No growth, no improvement. People say he regressed. That implies that he was a consistently good player that slowly became bad again. He was always bad even if he had occasional stretches of decent play.
    Over four seasons, Mark Sanchez's "signature" game is one where he went 16-25, 194 and 3 TDs. Sure, it was in the playoffs, but Aaron Rodgers threw for a billion yards in the same postseason.

    Your point is right on - you can't regress if you never really progressed.

    BTW - time to change the tag under your name, my man. We no longer want to see Darrelle heal up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtstar View Post
    and yet, in Year 4 he broke the franchise record for most total TD's in a season.
    Total yes but just passing is still the Vin man..

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    Testaverde, Plunkett, Alex Smith, Kerry Collins. It happens. Not super frequently, but it happens.

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