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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    Depends on who you're replacing him with. Agreed he was a stud in their playoff run. Can't disagree with that. He's still a mediocre possession receiver at this point in his career and if people actually believe that Boldin would make Sanchez good I don't know what to tell them.

    The list of receivers who MAKE their QB is small. Guys like Calvin Johnson and AJ Green MAKE Stafford and Dalton.

    Most receivers are MADE by their QB. You need talent, but Boldin is a role-player who played big. He's not a game changing receiver.
    I guess Fitzgerald didn't make the list..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzsaw View Post
    And watch the video, seriously watch it. Sanchez was better in his first game than he was in most games in year 4. He's likely not salvageable at this point but this organization had a major hand in it.
    After game one...I was bragging to anyone who would listen, Mark is the Answer.

    jeez.......seems like 10 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    I just find this argument so laughable. You think the Ravens are that loaded with talent offensively? Sanchez would suck with those guys too.

    Falcons clearly to have two elite receivers, but Ryan was playing at a high level long before they drafted Julio Jones.

    The weapons argument doesn't make sense. A franchise QB puts up NUMBERS with Braylon, Santonio, Cotchery, Keller, and LT. Franchise QBs make their skill position players, they don't need to be propped up in order not to be complete failures.
    Smart teams get their QBs weapons. Look what the Hawks are doing. Sanchez has been terrible , but the players around him have been a joke. Lets see Flacco go to war with Green and Clyde Gates. Plus the QB coaching has been a complete joke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage69 View Post
    I guess Fitzgerald didn't make the list..
    Lol ... Maybe he just wasn't sure which QB to name for him as Palmer hasn't been his QB yet

    Where's Andre Johnson as well ?
    Last edited by lamont_jordan_rules; 05-04-2013 at 03:37 PM.

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    When I think back to that awesome season the name that comes to mind is Thomas Jones, not Sanchez.

    TJ was one of my favorite Jets and I don't think he gets the love in many Jets fans mind that he deserves. It's a shame he ended up getting too old because that 2009 running game was incredible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetFuel View Post
    We can also show clips of when he beat Manning, Brady, Rivers in the playoffs on the road.
    Don't fool yourself.

    Rex's DEFENSE beat those teams. Sanchez played decently... He didn't do much. He turns the ball over WAY too much and he can't read a defense 4 years into his career. The kid sucks at QB. If he was good we would've won a SB in the past 4 years.

    I wish he wasn't horrible... I really do.

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    I remember watching highlights of this game a few weeks ago and thinking that this does not look at all like the same QB we have watched the last two years.

    He may still be able to play, but I don't think it will ever happen with the Jets. If there was ever a player who needs a fresh start and a change of scenery, its Sanchez.

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    Just for some real perspective here...

    I met Tony Gonzalez at a bar in Atlanta, and we talked for a little while.

    NFL players do not believe Sanchez is a good QB AT ALL.

    He's only a HOF TE, tho, so I don't know how credible his opinion would be...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman Harris View Post
    Just for some real perspective here...

    I met Tony Gonzalez at a bar in Atlanta, and we talked for a little while.

    NFL players do not believe Sanchez is a good QB AT ALL.

    He's only a HOF TE, tho, so I don't know how credible his opinion would be...
    I forgot Matt won the SB this year with the HOF'er and all that talent, Phuck Tony Gonzalez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman Harris View Post
    Don't fool yourself.

    Rex's DEFENSE beat those teams. Sanchez played decently... He didn't do much. He turns the ball over WAY too much and he can't read a defense 4 years into his career. The kid sucks at QB. If he was good we would've won a SB in the past 4 years.

    I wish he wasn't horrible... I really do.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../gamelog/post/

    GW drive at Indy

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    there is certainly some truth in the jets not putting enough talent around him but last season they had both the texans and the pasies on the ropes and let both of those teams off the hook. they also won 6 games with an offense that could score something south of 20 points per game. sanchez didn't exactly help himself. he doesn't have a very good on field presence and on that team, there has to be a leader. and it just doesn't explain the joe piscarcek like butt fumble or his inability to make quick decisions. what he needed to do was to throw the ball decisively. if the receiver muffs it, he needed to ream the guy out. but he should never have thrown so poorly that it all comes back to him.

    and let's not forget that the oline wasn't quite so bad when you consider how much time he actually had in comparison to other teams and most of that is based on how fast the qb gets rid of the ball.

    the bottom line is sanchez certainly deserves the chance to fight for his job but he really has to start showing something.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzsaw View Post
    And watch the video, seriously watch it. Sanchez was better in his first game than he was in most games in year 4. He's likely not salvageable at this point but this organization had a major hand in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sameoldjets View Post
    the bottom line is sanchez certainly deserves the chance to fight for his job but he really has to start showing something.
    I agree, but it will have to be a complete 360 on an individual basis.

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    cochery had great hands. hill has stonehands.

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    You guys SERIOUSLY think Sanchez is even SERVICEABLE?!

    What are you watching?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    He was good in his first game because the Texans defense flat out sucked and nobody had any film on him.

    He did NOT have a good rookie season. Claiming otherwise is revisionist history -- remember the Bills game he singlehandedly lost with 5 INTs? He played so poorly as a rookie that with the best defense in the league and number 1 ranked running game we had to sneak into the playoffs at 9-7. If we had a competent journeyman that year we might have had a shot at the SB.

    I agree that the organization mismanaged/failed to develop him as well as they could have. I reject the notion that he would have been a good QB and the Jets "ruined him."
    While there is no way to excuse Sanchez in that debacle, there is something to be said about a team rushing for 200+ yards, who then allow their QB to be in a position that they are still throwing the ball, in inclimate weather, one interception after another. Funny how that always seems to be overlooked. Just like the (typical) piss-poor, late-season coaching job that made it so the Jets had to back into the playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    I agree that the organization mismanaged/failed to develop him as well as they could have. I reject the notion that he would have been a good QB and the Jets "ruined him."
    Very well said - agree.

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    Jets management made chicken sh1t into chicken salad for two seasons due to a stifling Rex Ryan defense and an excellent running game.

    In the last two seasons the rotten smell of the Turnover Machine proved too much for even Rex's defense schemes to overcome

    Fortunately in June the Jet major obstacle to success is buttfumbled out the door of the Atlantic Health Center

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman Harris View Post
    Don't fool yourself.

    Rex's DEFENSE beat those teams. Sanchez played decently... He didn't do much. He turns the ball over WAY too much and he can't read a defense 4 years into his career. The kid sucks at QB. If he was good we would've won a SB in the past 4 years.

    I wish he wasn't horrible... I really do.
    Check out his games in 6 playoffs games -- not too bad. Everyone forgets he played very well in the playoffs. Everyone kills Sanchez and rightly so but lets not forget he won 4 playoff games. No other QB in Jets history has that many wins.

    2009 playoffs
    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...1001090cin.htm
    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...1001170sdg.htm
    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...1001170sdg.htm

    2010 Playoffs

    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...1101080clt.htm
    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...1101160nwe.htm
    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...1101230pit.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetFuel View Post
    Check out his games in 6 playoffs games -- not too bad. Everyone forgets he played very well in the playoffs. Everyone kills Sanchez and rightly so but lets not forget he won 4 playoff games. No other QB in Jets history has that many wins.

    2009 playoffs
    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...1001090cin.htm
    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...1001170sdg.htm
    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...1001170sdg.htm

    2010 Playoffs

    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...1101080clt.htm
    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...1101160nwe.htm
    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...1101230pit.htm
    For 4 games he did do pretty decent.. He just sh!it bed completely in 2nd half of 09 afccg and 1st half of 2010 afccg. If he plays decent for a whole game 1 or both of those games we would have made it to Super Bowl once maybe twice..

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRONX JET View Post
    Smart teams get their QBs weapons. Look what the Hawks are doing. Sanchez has been terrible , but the players around him have been a joke. Lets see Flacco go to war with Green and Clyde Gates. Plus the QB coaching has been a complete joke
    at some level you have to wonder if rex/tanny knew years ago that sanchez stunk and they made a grave error they weren't willing to admit. so they stopped adding pieces to the offensive passing game, believing the 'only' way they could win with him was with a plodding ground game and a veteran defense. flawed as it may be, with the benefit of hindsight that's kinda what happened. they 'gave up' on building the offense they hoped to have and focused on areas they thought they could salvage. the jets let their offense decay since they knew as long as sanchez was there they couldn't win in the air. by contrast, teams like atlanta which knew it had a real franchise qb were more than willing to add piece after piece to get to the next level.

    and perhaps the worst travesty throughout this downward spiral was rex standing at every podium he could find, trying in vain to convince the tri state area that ball control with shonn greene was as effective an offense as the high powered passing offenses.
    Last edited by augustiniak; 05-04-2013 at 07:09 PM.

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