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    Quote Originally Posted by PMarsico9 View Post
    What has Matt Ryan won? Seriously.

    He puts up good, not great stats in the regular season. He's not Rodgers or Brees.

    As for the rest of it:

    Eli was the best player in the draft, not just the best QB. I can't believe people are debating Clowney vs. anybody unless he gets hurt.
    I would argue Jared Allen and Vince Wilfork was better than Eli, also, I'd say it's pretty even to compare Roethlisberger vs. Manning. But, the Giants got Manning because they traded up to get him, not because they were drafting #1.

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    [QUOTE=FF2®;4886969]Yeah, wouldn't it be great I didn't suck every year

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Nut View Post
    I never said they would be better. Read. I said you can't say they will be worse just because you don't know what they will be. I do think that someone who has studied under Westy has a better chance of being good though.
    Getting rid of Shotty wasn't a problem or wrong. Sporano was wrong.

    There won't be a new HC in 2014.

    You come here every time telling all how great every Raider move has been, how much they've improved and how much better they are than the jets. And still, as bad as the past two years have been, the Raiders are nowhere near as good as the jets.
    Okay where in this thread did I say anything about the Raiders. maybe you should learn to read. My point is you don't lose a special team coach like Mike Westhoff and don't feel the effect. your special team coach might be a hero but that doesn't mean he can coach up that unit.( he hasn't proven anything yet)

    The jets are learning a whole new offense and you don't think there going to be a learning curve there. You're looking at least two years till you see results . So again you might have improved on paper but you might be a worse offense this year than last year.

    Again that is my opinion and you're allowed to have your own opinion on this subject. Time will tell who was right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apache 51 View Post
    I have total faith that the new coach will have his men educated, and trained.


    New York Jets assistant coach Ben Kotwica, a decorated veteran, reflects on Iraq experience

    Martin Griff/The Times of TrentonBen Kotwica spent roughly a year in Iraq and has also served in Bosnia and Korea.
    The worst feeling was when the radio started "squawking," recalled Ben Kotwica. That's when he knew one of his Army brethren was in trouble. It was his version of the movie "Blackhawk Down."

    Kotwica, who piloted an Apache attack helicopter in Iraq, would spring into action during those times. He was part of the U.S. Army's deployment there in March 2004 for Operation Iraqi Freedom II.

    "To fly over the city of Baghdad is like flying over Manhattan, you can't tell good from bad," said Kotwica, a former football player at West Point who is in his third season as a quality control special teams/defense coach for the Jets. "It wasn't a linear battle.

    "It's nothing like when the radio starts squawking ... a situation where you're going to save your brothers on the ground. I don't think it was like I'm going to do this to somebody else, it's more I'm going to help my brothers."

    Kotwica, 34, spent roughly a year in Iraq. He said he doesn't know how many people he killed during the 1,000 hours of combat flight time he logged, but he quickly admits, "I didn't take satisfaction in that (killing).

    "When I pulled the trigger on occasion, I don't think I consciously said, 'Somebody over there is going to lose their life today.' It was more of, 'Hey, they did something to us and now we've got to do something to them.'"

    Last week, Kotwica, a decorated officer who spent seven years in the Army, reflected on his career at the Jets' Florham Park complex as Memorial Day approached. His awards included the Army Achievement Medal, the Army Commendation Medal, the Meritorious Service Medal and the Bronze Star. He has served in Bosnia, Korea and Iraq.

    While in Iraq, Kotwica's missions included convoy security operations, VIP escorts for American dignitaries such as then-President Bush and search-and-destroy missions to suppress insurgent activities.

    Kotwica said he saw it all, acts of heroism, bravery, cowardice and fear. He saw it in the fresh recruits and the grizzled veterans alike. Not even one of the finest military institutions in the world -- West Point -- can prepare one for war, he says.

    Through last year, roughly a dozen Apache helicopters were shot down by enemy fire and another dozen or so crashed due to other reasons.

    Fortunately, Kotwica, who has a wife and two daughters, said he doesn't suffer from post-war stress, waking up in the dark of night reaching for his gun.

    "But I do wake up thinking about that Seattle game," he quipped, referring to the Jets' critical 13-3 loss in Week 16 to the Seahawks last season.

    Kotwica, who said he grew up on the south side of Chicago "wired" to be a soldier, decided to become a fighter pilot during his junior year at West Point because it seemed "cool."

    So did football. At West Point, Kotwica played linebacker under current Jets linebackers coach Bob Sutton and was a co-captain of the 1996 team that posted a school-record 10-2 mark. He always wanted to coach.

    Even so, Kotwica says it's kind of strange to now be living his dream as an NFL coach, enjoying the same feeling of security he once himself helped provide for millions of Americans while many of his buddies are still in harm's way. Former Jets coach Eric Mangini hired him in 2006 after he spent two seasons as a high school coach.

    "I don't think you're ever removed completely from it," he said. "I didn't leave the Army because I didn't like it. I left because I really wanted to do this."
    While very impressive and sayS a lot about the man your special team coach is. What does it have to do with coAching special teams. WHat special team unit has he ever ran that he was totally in charge of. Now if he had a résumé like Mike Westhoff as special team coach. I would have a lot more confidence in Jets special team unit not taking a giant step back.

    Case in Point Raiders Dc Jason Tarver probably has the highest IQ out of all the Dc in the league. What does that have to do with football and running a defense. ( this isn't jeopardy) LEt see no one will ever mistake Rex Ryan for a rocket scientist, but he has proven year after year that he one of the best Dc around and Tarver hasn't proven anything yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raider9175 View Post
    Most likely a team with the number 1 pick doesn't have a Qb like Andrew Luck. Yes or no. I already said assuming Raiders have the number 1 pick and one of their Qb proved they were the guy ( Flynn, Wilson, or T Pryor). you would probably go Clowney.( not likely as only way you get that pick if your Qb was horrible.
    look it up Steve it's in this thread.
    Is this not your quote:
    No IF There is a franchise Qb there you have to take him because that franchise Qb trumps a stud DE. Qb is just a more important position that can determine success or failure of a franchise .( see Tom Brady)

    A GM passes On a franchise Qb for J Clowney he probably getting fired . Only way if that franchise Qb bombs like Jamarcus Russell , does he come out looking good.


    There are MANY ways a team could be in a position in the 2014 draft to take one of the 3/4 QB's that are touted to go in the first round. It all depends on the team. If Tampa picked Clowney over a QB, that is one thing, but if for whatever reason a dozen other picked a QB over Clowney, that would would be foolish.

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    Gotta love the arrogance of the media. We had a less talented team last season with Suckchez self-destructing on a weekly basis and Tebowmania on the sideline distracting the entire team and CS yet won 6 games. Now with a better roster and improved options at QB somehow we're looking at 0-16.







    I AM GONNA LOVE WATCHING THESE IDIOT ASSCLOWNS IN THE MEDIA SH*T THEMSELVES WHEN WE MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!

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    No one is passing on Clowney, no matter what......It is essentially a death sentence for the career of any GM that passes on him if the player they take over him isn't a great player, nevermind bust

    If for some reason we ended up at #1 we would have to take Clowney.....We have our QB of the future right now, even if he struggles next season (if he even plays)

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    Clowney should undoubtedly be BPA in 2014. Doesn't necessarily mean a rebuilding team in need of a franchise QB will take him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaSteve View Post
    Is this not your quote:
    No IF There is a franchise Qb there you have to take him because that franchise Qb trumps a stud DE. Qb is just a more important position that can determine success or failure of a franchise .( see Tom Brady)

    A GM passes On a franchise Qb for J Clowney he probably getting fired . Only way if that franchise Qb bombs like Jamarcus Russell , does he come out looking good.


    There are MANY ways a team could be in a position in the 2014 draft to take one of the 3/4 QB's that are touted to go in the first round. It all depends on the team. If Tampa picked Clowney over a QB, that is one thing, but if for whatever reason a dozen other picked a QB over Clowney, that would would be foolish.
    Read my first post in this thread.. IF you don't have that QB that you can win a championship with than you have to go QB if you think he's a franchise Qb. Franchise Qb triumphs top pass rusher.

    IF you find that Qb( Geno Smith comes off the bench and has very good season than obviously your going to look in a different direction. If Geno Smith doesn't play and than you have to draft the top Qb if he's there. Have to make sure you get that franchise Qb. Than you look to trade Geno Smith at some point to recoup your investment.

    BTW There is a difference between a franchise Qb and a first round QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Koopa View Post
    No one is passing on Clowney, no matter what......It is essentially a death sentence for the career of any GM that passes on him if the player they take over him isn't a great player, nevermind bust

    If for some reason we ended up at #1 we would have to take Clowney.....We have our QB of the future right now, even if he struggles next season (if he even plays)
    Until Geno Smith proves he is that QB , you have to draft that franchise QB ( if you feel he there) Because NFL success is determine by what Qb you have. haven't you learned anything from Mark Sanchez situation .

    The Jets couldn't admit there mistake and kept Mark Sanchez when it obviously he was one of the worst Qb year after year he was in the NFl. They drafted him as their franchise Qb and By Golly he going to be that QB.

    If Geno Smith doesn't prove by next season that he can be that Qb than your almost forced to taking another QB the following year .( if you think he is a franchise Qb).
    Geno SmiTh dropped to the second round for a reason and just because you used a second round pick on him means he guaranteed to be the Qb of the future. That's silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raider9175 View Post
    While very impressive and sayS a lot about the man your special team coach is. What does it have to do with coAching special teams. WHat special team unit has he ever ran that he was totally in charge of. Now if he had a résumé like Mike Westhoff as special team coach. I would have a lot more confidence in Jets special team unit not taking a giant step back.

    Case in Point Raiders Dc Jason Tarver probably has the highest IQ out of all the Dc in the league. What does that have to do with football and running a defense. ( this isn't jeopardy) LEt see no one will ever mistake Rex Ryan for a rocket scientist, but he has proven year after year that he one of the best Dc around and Tarver hasn't proven anything yet.
    I never said it had anything to do with ST's, however, it starts with the man. ST's are not rocket science you are as good as your depth, K,P. The Jets are young so saying they might be sub par this year is not going out on any limb, tell me they are going to lead the league and you would be taking a risk. By no means am I making light of ST's, but you are making too much of Westhoff and coaching. How many ST coaches do you know, or hear about I only know about 2 being Joe Avezzano with Dallas 1990-2002, 3 rings and Jim Harbaugh with the Eagles.

    Can't name one Giant ST coach in the last 30 years, and I live in Giant country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apache 51 View Post
    I never said it had anything to do with ST's, however, it starts with the man. ST's are not rocket science you are as good as your depth, K,P. The Jets are young so saying they might be sub par this year is not going out on any limb, tell me they are going to lead the league and you would be taking a risk. By no means am I making light of ST's, but you are making too much of Westhoff and coaching. How many ST coaches do you know, or hear about I only know about 2 being Joe Avezzano with Dallas 1990-2002, 3 rings and Jim Harbaugh with the Eagles.

    Can't name one Giant ST coach in the last 30 years, and I live in Giant country.
    No your wrong all you have to look at is Mike Westhoffs career where ever he been that unit been top rated. It didn't matter who was the returner , who they lost in Fa, that unit was always top notch . Special teams is the one unit that is all about coaching. YEs the average fan might not be familiar with special team coaches , but you can bet people in the nFl know who the good ones are.

    Raiders have had the premier punter and kicker in the NFl and their special teams unit have been atrocious. It all comes down to coaching. How many Jet games were changed by a special team play( a big return). So you can dismiss their importance but they can win you or lose a game or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raider9175 View Post
    No your wrong all you have to look at is Mike Westhoffs career where ever he been that unit been top rated. It didn't matter who was the returner , who they lost in Fa, that unit was always top notch . Special teams is the one unit that is all about coaching. YEs the average fan might not be familiar with special team coaches , but you can bet people in the nFl know who the good ones are.

    Raiders have had the premier punter and kicker in the NFl and their special teams unit have been atrocious. It all comes down to coaching. How many Jet games were changed by a special team play( a big return). So you can dismiss their importance but they can win you or lose a game or two.

    How many? And How many given up? Like I said, I am not making light of ST's. There are 16 regular season games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raider9175 View Post
    Until Geno Smith proves he is that QB , you have to draft that franchise QB ( if you feel he there) Because NFL success is determine by what Qb you have. haven't you learned anything from Mark Sanchez situation .

    The Jets couldn't admit there mistake and kept Mark Sanchez when it obviously he was one of the worst Qb year after year he was in the NFl. They drafted him as their franchise Qb and By Golly he going to be that QB.

    If Geno Smith doesn't prove by next season that he can be that Qb than your almost forced to taking another QB the following year .( if you think he is a franchise Qb).
    Geno SmiTh dropped to the second round for a reason and just because you used a second round pick on him means he guaranteed to be the Qb of the future. That's silly.
    Nope...would be happy with Clowney a once in a generation player, and have faith that Geno Smith will get it and become the franchise QB no matter what he shows in his rookie year

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Koopa View Post
    Nope...would be happy with Clowney a once in a generation player, and have faith that Geno Smith will get it and become the franchise QB no matter what he shows in his rookie year
    Well you might subscribe to that belief( Rex Ryan blueprint) that you want that defensive player. But that player isn't winning you a championship like if you got a franchise QB. So what happens if Geno Smith isn't the guy. NOw where is that franchise Qb coming from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raider9175 View Post
    Well you might subscribe to that belief( Rex Ryan blueprint) that you want that defensive player. But that player isn't winning you a championship like if you got a franchise QB. So what happens if Geno Smith isn't the guy. NOw where is that franchise Qb coming from.
    I just wouldn't pass on Clowney no matter what....I don't subscribe to any belief in general

    If Geno Smith doesn't turn out to be the guy, than oh well.....On to the next one in a couple years. Gotta add the most talent possible and let Geno get his shot for a few seasons

    There is no guarantee Bridgewater will be a better player

    I can damn near guarantee that Clowney will be a terror off the edge barring injury of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raider9175 View Post

    BTW There is a difference between a franchise Qb and a first round QB.
    That's right....and they won't have a clue about Geno Smith for a couple of years. If the Jets were first overall, and had to choose between Teddy Bridgewater AND Clowney, then it is a tough call.

    In the scenario I presented, Oakland (ironically) takes Bridgewater.

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