There were no blue-chip quarterbacks in this draft. So saying "Smith was the best QB of his class" is accurate but nowhere near what a true prospect would bring. We're back at Kellen Clemens now. A "maybe" guy that we aren't in love with but was worth the diceroll in the second round.
The "harm" in these moves is that we didn't upgrade the areas of need at all. WR2 and TE1 are more important than DE4 and QB5. BPA should have been BPAIAON (In Areas Of Need).
Jets players I like. Cromartie. Mangold. I think that's it.
1. This is a discussion forum whose purpose is to encourage passionate debate.
2. The redundancy here is coming from the Blind Homers who post the same thing over and over again.
Repetitive posting, both pro and con, is what happens in the offseason when there is no new ground broken. I've been on discussion forums since 1994, that's how it works.
Those who ignore me I encourage to do so. They don't want to hear anything negative and they don't know how to present a good argument. They add nothing of value, good riddance. I only wish the moderators would make all the harassing posts stop because what those 3 posters do is more destructive than what they falsely claim I'm doing, they are making JI awful and it needs to stop.
We lost 13 starters.
We signed questionable JAG's.
We allowed a lame duck HC to being in another OC for a single year.
We misplayed the Revis opportunity, got a bad deal.
We misplayed the Tebow spot, held him through the draft for nothing.
We couldn't trade down to get more picks so we took a CB.
We couldn't trade up to get the WR so we took a DE.
We took a sketchy QB instead of the playmaking TE.
We have just created another QB circus when the last one was a disaster.
We are losing scouts who just worked the draft and are quitting.
It's raining today, sunshine.
the lame schtick continues, I can only assume
because, Thank God, the IGNORE continues
We most certainly have weaknesses SAR, and the vast majority of fans here see that quite clearly.
With that said, the line quoted above quite well describes your own position regarding Mark Sanchez, whom you've absolved regularly and repeatedly of all responsabillity for his own worst-in-NFL performence the past 4 years.
Seems hypocritical to judge others for your own sins.
Says the man who cannot name a single player we could/should have aquired, admits to having no idea regarding any college players or their potentials, says he "is no GM", and is both unable and unwilling to specify what alternatives would have been the better choice in any decision......but consistently post thousands of content-similar posts denouncing every choice and decision by the team as "wrong", rooting against the Jets winning during the season, and reveling in ripping off his fellow fans by selling his tcikets to games.they don't know how to present a good argument.
Simply decrying everything other Mark Sanchez is not forming a good argument. Offering up no reasonable alteratives is not forming a good argument. Rooting for losses is not forming a good argument. Taking joy in ripping off your fellow fan is not forming a good argument.
Lets be clear, you live to engender exactly the reaction you get here at J.I. It couldn't be more obvious.
How would you know, you're not a GM, and you cannot name talent beyond the Jets or in college per your own admission.We signed questionable JAG's.
What we do know is most of our lost starters were JAG's as well, weak links on a bad team, again, per your own description of them.
If you were consistent, you'd be for the loss of 13 starters from such a bad team.
A decision we'll see the results of soon enough, and will (if a failure0 result in Rex's termination.We allowed a lame duck HC to being in another OC for a single year.
What better deal was available? Since again you say you're not a GM and have no idea what players, picks or offers were available, how exactly can you decree it was a "bad deal" if it was the best deal available?We misplayed the Revis opportunity, got a bad deal.
Is your argument that we should have then retained Revis for 2013 and lost him for nothing in 2014?
So? What harm did that do? He's gone now with no harm done.We misplayed the Tebow spot, held him through the draft for nothing.
The best CB in the draft, to replace the loss of Revis and the poor selection that is Wilson.We couldn't trade down to get more picks so we took a CB.
To provide replacements for Devito/Pouha, and hopefully provide a spark of pass rush we've long been missing.We couldn't trade up to get the WR so we took a DE.
You say Mark Sanchez can only win with a great running game and dominant defense, then you decry any move that works dowards building a great running game or dominant defense.
You say you have no idea regarding college players, so how do you judge Smith to be a "sketchy QB" when he was widely considered the ebst, more PRo-ready QB in the draft, and we got him inthe 2nd round, an unquestionable value-selection?We took a sketchy QB instead of the playmaking TE.
How do you know whatever TE you're not naming is a "playmaker" at the NFL level? Who ARE you discussing for TE available in the 2nd, since you regularly choose not to name players?
Mark Sanchez is in the last year of his contract with the Jets. Our depth is one aged Veteran in Gerrard and one borderline #3 in McElroy.We have just created another QB circus when the last one was a disaster.
Given that, how can you possibly rationalize drafting the best QB in the draft in the 2nd as "creating a QB circus" given that as of today, we have no QB or developmental QB for 2014 or beyond?
Is it your position that mark Sanchez should have been resigned/extended instead? Because no professional team is going to go into 2013 with no prospect or possible starter in place for 2014.
And what do you know about these specific scouts?We are losing scouts who just worked the draft and are quitting.
Again, how can you simply decree something bad withotu any knowledge or facts regarding the people in question or their work?
Last edited by Churchill; 05-08-2013 at 10:41 AM.
I agree with SAR solely for the fact that the team was AWFUL last year.
Have moves been made? YES
Have players been added? YES
Were Players Drafted? YES
I cant speak for SAR, but i often agree with his posts. Maybe this is just a good example of peoples different outlook/opinion on how a SB team should be built.
Dont see any problem with fans hoping for and analyzing how the team will be better, but im the kind of fan whom needs to see it with my own eyes first before i start gushing positivity.
2. I do not support Mark Sanchez. I merely believe that there is a small chance he could be good and we need to see what we've got. That's actually a very positive stance for a Jets fan to take. That's a bit pom-pom right there. But I get criticized for that too. They can't make up their minds.
3. Your posts are filled with the same lack of understanding, feeling of denial, and blind homerism as the rest. You just have a better vocabulary. Doesn't make you right.
4. About 90% of NFL fans don't know anything about college football. Our instincts on our NFL teams perhaps are better because we give them all of our focus. I've done just fine in predicting the quality of the roster, the quality of our HC, and our annual record for the past 15 years, thank you.
5. We've seen your type before. Newbs do this all the time. You will find a popular poster. You will engage in personal attacks. You will build some credibility with the feeble-minded. You will get bored and move on. Cut to the chase.
1. No comment
2. Agree completely
3. True or false I donít know but it scores well in debate terms
4. I think you are way too down on Rex. He is a savant on defense. He knows what he doesnít know and leaves the offense to the OC. Tanny is accountable for Shotty, Sanchez, and Sparano, not Rex. Mornhinweg is Rexís guy. The jury is out on him and therefore IMHO out on Rex. If this OC clicks weíll be a perennial playoff team under Rex, again IMHO
5. Zing! Another score in terms of debate point. True or false, I donít know.
The idea that Sanchez will only fail because of the talent around him, and that he will not, in fact, be judged on his own play, is simply not based in informed facts. It implies that if Sanchez plays great, but his supporting cast fails, he will not be fairly judged on his own play. Such a viewpoint exposes denial that Mark Sanchez has, to this point, generally been a regular season dissapointment in his own personally responsible quality of play, specificly in his pass accuracy, mobillity, ball handling and leadership.
What denial is that?3. Your posts are filled with the same lack of understanding, feeling of denial, and blind homerism as the rest. You just have a better vocabulary. Doesn't make you right.
Rex Ryan is unquestionable a Head Coach on the hot-seat. He probably should have been fired, and would have been by many teams. He probably WILL be fired at years end if he fails in any material way. With that said, keeping a sitting head coach for one year under a new GM is not that uncommon in sports before making wholesale changes. What is being denied?
We are weak on-paper at the Wide receiver position. This is true, but it's equally true that we have one player we're financially tied to (Holmes), a 2nd year player they're simply not going to dump in year 2 (Hill) and a quality underutilized slot receiver (Kerley). Tight End is a clear weakness today, with only unknowns in place at current.
And you continue to ignore that the WCO will utilize our RB's more, and clearly the team (GM) thinks adding Ivory and Goodson IS an upgrade. Your pronouncements of these young players as failures-in-advance is clearly premature. The most certainly COULD fail. But declaring them as failures now is simply invalid.
We have a number of other weaknesses. Linebacker (where the team appears today to favor unproven youth), Safety (clearly a weak spot).
Even special teams could suffer, given the loss of certain performers and the staff change.
With that said, it's May. Free Agency and Camp often has a lot of activity, including players cut loose who can still perform. Declaring the entire off season a bust is simply preemptive negativity.
Again, keeping it simple:4. About 90% of NFL fans don't know anything about college football. Our instincts on our NFL teams perhaps are better because we give them all of our focus. I've done just fine in predicting the quality of the roster, the quality of our HC, and our annual record for the past 15 years, thank you.
1. You decry almost every single aspect of the team, it's management, it's front office, it's staff and it's players as bad, often in advance.
2. When questioned specifically, you are not able to provide even a single specific instance of an real-world alternative option.
Respectfully, if you cannot posit an alternative that would be acceptable to you as a "good decision", specifically, you are not someone who should be listened to regarding the "poor" choices that were actually made.
The team may (or may not) be bad in its record, but your arguments lack any form of educated informed specific criticism that would lead one to believe your talent and managerial evaluation has merit.
It's very easy to say "everything sucks, boo" when your team win 6 games, it's far harder to explain why it sucks, where it could/should be specifically improved and how, or to view acquisitions/decisions with a more critical and nuanced mind that the "universal everything sucks and will always suck" viewpoint you've laid out to this point.
Irrelevant, deflecting fluff of no import.5. We've seen your type before. Newbs do this all the time. You will find a popular poster. You will engage in personal attacks. You will build some credibility with the feeble-minded. You will get bored and move on. Cut to the chase.
Last edited by Churchill; 05-08-2013 at 11:49 AM.
what's the difference b/t SAR and patsfantx anyway, besides favorite team?