We are really in need of replacing gates, schillens and Gilyard? You dont have to replace FA scrubs that dont produce.
Didnt add pass rush? Did you not watch the first round of the draft?
Running backs a step back? What? have you ever watcheed Shonn Greene play?
How is not adding a pass catching RB hurting us this year over last year when we didnt have any at all?
Your posts are generally garbage.
Ken O'Brien was pretty effing good.
Vinny was a franchise QB going into an isolated year where this team looked to be the best in the AFC AT A MINIMUM even with Denver's juggernaut. Then Vinny popped that Achilles' on what, the first snap of the first game?
Chad Pennington was an outstanding QB until he got hurt. Then hurt again. Then hurt again.
Mark Sanchez is a mistake. He was a bad draft pick made by a rookie head coach and terrible GM.
His mere presence hurts the franchise and in a year with zero expectations, pisses off the vast majority of the fan base.
You want proof that most of the fan base hates him?
The majority of the stadium was going crazy booing fireman Ed simply for wearing his horrid jersey.
Sanchez needs cut, this team NEEDS to stink this year to get Lee, Clowney, or Coleman, and to lose Rex Ryan.
There are maybe 8 people who will not boo Sanchez at every opportunity next year and he just crumbles when that happens. He should've been traded to the Eagles, to be honest. Then he would maybe realize we aren't that bad here.
People act like Bradford has been lighting things up with Shottenheimer, but he is on a make or break year. Sparano has never been known as an offensive mastermind and honestly, if you watched games last year, the problems extended beyond Sanchez.
McElroy started one game and played awful. He experienced the same pressure Mark did all season. He also lacked the same weapons that Mark lacked all season. Besides driving us down the field against Arizona once, I don't get the huge attraction.
Worst Case Scenario: Sanchez loses the job and rides the pine for the season as a backup. We already have money invested in him and dropping him is just plain stupid. There are plenty of teams that will sign him as a backup and laugh at the Jets as they watch $17mil in dead money be pissed down the toilet.
You literally have to know nothing about business to drop Sanchez at this point. He is not a head case by any means and cannot be if he wants to be employed in the NFL next season. Think about it from this perspective, if you were Sanchez and did not win the job, how would you ever get a job again if you became a headcase? The one thing he has going for him is that he doesn't say stupid things despite the amount of chances he gets.
Last edited by CoreyWill; 05-06-2013 at 03:38 PM.
Yes, we are better off mostly, but weaker at some spots too as of today:
1. At QB, we are stronger with a higher future upside. Sanchez/Tebow/McElroy offered very little for now or the future. A Sanchez/Gerrard/Smith combination provides veteran competition for sanchez in Gerrard at best, or a veteran backup at worst, and Smith provides a long-term developmental player going forward that mcElroy was not.
2. At RB, we are stronger. Greene was a perenial dissapointment with no big-gain abillity, questionable durabillity and stamina. Bringing in Ivory and Goodson provides two players that both have #1 RB potential. With both Powell and mcKnight retained, RB appears a deep position in potential now, but it IS potential for now.
3. Wide Reciever is unchanged materially. Holmes is back, Hill the #2, Kerley the slot. We all expect a veteran to be brought in a la Edwards. A Holmes/Edwards/Hill/Kerley rotation is perfectly acceptable in the NFL, average in talent.
4. Tight End got worse. The loss of Keller, and Baker's injury settlement/cut leaves us with Cumberland and Rouland. The addition of 7th rounder Bohanon cannot be counted on, and the Aussie is another total unknown/longshot. TE is not a strength currently.
5. The O-line got better. We cut loose old or underperforming players (Moore, Slauson) and drafted two potential day 1 starters in Winters and Aboushi, as well as added considerable developmental/depth to the line.
6. The D-line got better. A 4-man front (regardless of what their supposed position is) of Coples--Richardson--Ellis--Wilkerson is as talented as any in the NFL, and should be very good....in time. Expect most of our long-lost pass rush to come from these 4 players.
7. Linebacker got worse, slightly. Thomas was pretty well used up. Same for Bartt Scott. These are additions via subtractions. Pace returned, old and also mostly used up. All we really added was A. Barnes, who isn’t a very special player. Linebacker remains a position of weakness, but clearly one we’re going to go all in on via younger players already on the roster, barring camp castoff pickups.
8. D-Backfield got worse, albeit not by much. Revis was gone all year, and his loss hurts. He was replaced by the best CB coming out of college. Cro is a legit #1 CB as he showed last year. Not a Revis, but comparative to other #1 CB’s. Wilson needs to step up. The safeties we lost was a mixed bag. Losing Landry hurts, his brother is not his equal. Losing old man Bell does not hurt, he (like our LB’s) was effectively a veteran placeholder.
9. Specials remain the same. Same kicker, new punter, mostly the same younger guys filling spots.
10. Coaching got better. Sparano was a disaster, the Cane had a very down year. Mornhinweg should be a material improvement, and Kotwica was the Cane’s assistant and chosen replacement. Rex Ryan is Rex Ryan….he appears quite less than he was in the past, but that may only be a offseason gag order. We’ll see if he’s really be neutered or not come camp.
If Sanchez performs well in preseason, fans will be excited to see what he has during the regular season. If he performs like Sanchez, then they can bench him without even having to answer why. The fact you want to eat $17mil in dead money to cut Sanchez just shows that you do not understand football at all. That is the exact decision that Mike T would have made before ever even giving someone a chance, because he wanted to make the fans happy.
To cut the only QB who has taken snaps with Jeff Garcia and got an inside look at Marty's system is just ridiculous. Why don't we just throw Geno out before he's ready too so we can do to him what we did to Sanchez?
SP: Unsavory is a bit harsh IMHO:
The adjective unsavory was formed by merging un, meaning “not,” with savory, meaning “pleasant, agreeable.” So if it's unsavory, it's unpleasant. First used to describe revolting tastes, unsavory now also applies to just about anything that figuratively leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Mobsters do all kinds of unsavory things to the people that cross them. So you probably shouldn't hang out with such unsavory characters.
I'm a season ticket holder. This is the reality of his putrid play. NOBODY wants to see him. It's completely subjective and illogical, but you can't blame anybody. He is a bust, through and through.
2) If seats are empty (which you are nuts if you think I'm the only person that will not go to games that Sanchez is announced the starter of) then Woody will be all over Idzik.
3) Idzik sounds very much like he or Johnson are going to dump Sanchez in the interviews I've heard. Whether it makes sense or not is irrelevant. The subjective comes into play when your games aren't selling out and a meaningful percentage of your season ticket holders are selling 50 yard line seats for 20 bucks. The straight up truth is simple:
Mark Sanchez sucks. He pisses off the fans. There's no ifs, an's, or buts about it. If it is costing the owner money to start him, then he will be sat.
I promise you that I will not be alone in organizing boycotts outside both the stadium and on this very website if he is announced the starter.
Like I said before, John Idzik does not care what the fans think. We all wanted Tebow gone the day Idzik was hired, but it was dragged out. We all want Braylon back, but it has not happened. We all wanted to see us draft a tight end and a safety, but it didn't happen. We all thought Sanchez would be cut after Geno was drafted, but it has not happened. A large part of the fan base thought he was idiotic for trading Revis but he could care less.
We are talking about a GM who isn't giving out large contracts, who is restructuring big contracts left and right, and who gave out less than $6mil guaranteed on every single FA signing COMBINED, and who does not rush to decisions. So you REALLY think he will cut Sanchez and take the cap hit just to make you season ticket holders happy? I'm sorry, but it is not happening unless he is not one of the top 3 in the competition.
Btw, this is my last message to you as we are definitely not seeing eye to eye. I'm not saying start Sanchez, but I'm also not saying cut Sanchez. I'm saying let the QB competition play out and see who emerges as the starter. You have a hungry player with a possible chance to secure a starting spot this year and potentially a starting spot for another team in the future. You cannot honestly tell me that you just want to cut ties because he played crappy in a ground and pound system with the worst wide receivers in the league and possibly the least dynamic rusher to go over 1,000 yards (also under 4 YAC and cannot block or catch all that well). Come on now, you cannot seriously say that Sanchez is supposed to succeed when there were games that Cumberland, Kerley, Gilyard, and Schillens were his top receivers. Corners laughed at our wide receivers last year as the season went on, guaranteed.
Flacco would have never won the superbowl without some of the acrobatic catches we saw from his playmakers. Plus, he could hand it off to Ray Rice or hit him out of the backfield. Along with that, the Ravens line was playing about as well as they were all season. Did Sanchez's lineup of playmakers look anything close to Boldin, Torrey Smith, Ray Rice, Ed Dickson, Dennis Pitta, & even Jacoby Jones?
Last edited by CoreyWill; 05-06-2013 at 03:59 PM.
As such, yes, I do. The cap hit is irrelevant. McElroy showed heart and leadership. His skillset is basically the same or slightly better than Sanchez's.
Which is the cherry on top: He's not one of the top 3 QBs in camp anyway. lol.
All 1:00 Sunday starts. All in warm weather. All guaranteed wins for the visiting teams. I'm expecting 2x face value on these five games in aggregate. Going to make a killing on the Jets getting killed.
My Browns seats already sold at face value.
NFL history is filled with players put in a bad situation who rise from the dead. Favre. Young. Warner. Bradshaw. Plunkett. And none of them ever "failed" by starting in 6 playoff games before their 23rd birthday and winning 4 of them.
30% chance he can be salvaged. Let's find out and put the mystery to bed. At worst, he'll cost us 2 extra losses this year and going 3-13 is a lot better than going 5-11 for our expansion team anyway.
Go ahead and give up/sell your PSL if you'd like. Woody's wallet will not even realize that a dime fell out when you do not purchase your tickets this year.(a) Licensee (i) shall have the right and the obligation to purchase admission tickets for the Seats for all pre-season and regular season home games of the Jets scheduled to be played at the Stadium
Btw, the Raiders don't have a guaranteed win against anyone this year. You cannot type that on this forum without laughing to yourself as you do it.
Last edited by CoreyWill; 05-06-2013 at 04:18 PM.