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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    Drafting BPA works unless a) it replaces someone you could have kept who was better, b) it's a position of great redundancy and c) it's a position that can do more harm than good.

    a) Revis
    b) DE
    c) QB5

    I agree with accumulating draft picks and getting younger if that's the plan. We just need to do it smartly. The first three picks in the draft were baffling. Cromartie is a solid CB1. CB2 was not as important as WR1 or TE1. We have enough DE's to start an all-DE team. The QB should be the pick next season when there are blue-chippers available.

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    I've agreed with this guy this entire thread. In no way would i expect more then 4 wins from this team, or do i feel this team is better off then they where last year.

    But at the same time I do have high hopes for guys like Ivory and Goodson Cumberland and Hill, I just dont trust that the jets have all of a suddon have found all these diamonds in the ruff

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdJETSetter View Post
    Seriously, great points.
    Not tooting my horn, but i was also saying how the LT loss was going to be a big loss for Mark, i even created a thread last year about this time regarding the lack of RB pass catchers, and it was one of the few times i would consider myself "attacked".

    that aside, you and i differ on Mark Sanchez and possibly the QB position as a whole....I still want to stress my point;a true Franchise QB wouldnt let the loss of a past his prime LT cave his career in. The great ones plug in and move on.

    and yes, it does have to do with the talent level. I would never say Mark needs to work miracles with HS players, but there is something to be said for his ability to do ANYTHING on his own.
    It's the combination of losing both his pass-catching RB and all his WR's that doomed Mark Sanchez.

    It's the combination of a shaky quarterback learning his third system in three years and the lack of receiving playmakers that doomed our offense.

    It's the combination of no passing game and a terrible running game that doomed our season.

    It's the combination of an awful offense and a terrible defense that doomed our head coach.

    It's a lot of things that brought us down. Mark Sanchez showed tremendous promise in February 2011. We didn't support him, we destroyed him. Shameful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    Our Secondary is much worse.

    Our Running Backs are flat, might even be a step back.

    We added no WR's to replace Schillens, Gates, and Gilyard.

    We added no TE's to replace Keller.

    We added no pass-catching RB to replace Tomlinson (Year 3).

    We added no pass rushing DL or LB.

    The offense is worse than last year right now. Edwards, Keller, Greene gone.

    The defense is worse than last year right now. Revis, Landry, Bell gone.

    4-12.

    SAR I

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    Our WR and TE situation is definitely a concern. I am more comfortable with our running back situation than I was last year (if Ivory stats healthy).
    Last edited by FTL Jet Fan; 05-07-2013 at 10:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTL Jet Fan View Post
    Our WR and TE situation is definitely a concern. I am more comfortable with are running back situation than I was last year (if Ivory stats healthy).
    Can't fix the MT/Sanchez disaster all in 1 year.. This was at least a 2 year project to get us back in competition mix.. Look how many holes we filled. Of course there are many more but just goes to show u how bad of a Job MT did.. Better than last yr for sure. Izdik is already 10 x better a gm than MT was

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleansweep2013 View Post
    Can't fix the MT/Sanchez disaster all in 1 year.. This was at least a 2 year project to get us back in competition mix.. Look how many holes we filled. Of course there are many more but just goes to show u how bad of a Job MT did.. Better than last yr for sure. Izdik is already 10 x better a gm than MT was
    I agree 100%. I am happy with what Idzik has done so far. I know many feel Idzik won't bring back Bralyon, besides early cuts I don't see any other options for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    I'm sorry, I don't speak specifics.
    That much is obvious.

    I'm not a general manager, never wish to be.
    Sure you are. You clearly see yourself as a superior talent evaluator and team builder, not only to Idzik and Ryan, but to your fellow fans here.

    This is clear, given that you express serious and unrelenting reservations about almost every aspect of how the team is staffed, built and managed.

    Claiming you're "not a General manager" is a dodge. You raised the complaint, yet you're unable to even posit even a single specific suggestion how your own complaint could have been addressed?

    I sense this is a trend with your opinions. Loud and constant complaints, but no actual idea how those complaints could have been addressed in the real world. When questioned at length, you dodge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill View Post
    That much is obvious.

    Sure you are. You clearly see yourself as a superior talent evaluator and team builder, not only to Idzik and Ryan, but to your fellow fans here.

    This is clear, given that you express serious and unrelenting reservations about almost every aspect of how the team is staffed, built and managed.

    Claiming you're "not a General manager" is a dodge. You raised the complaint, yet you're unable to even posit even a single specific suggestion how your own complaint could have been addressed?

    I sense this is a trend with your opinions. Loud and constant complaints, but no actual idea how those complaints could have been addressed in the real world. When questioned at length, you dodge.
    I don't watch college football. I couldn't name three players the Jets didn't draft if you paid me. The names of the players the Jets should have gotten is immaterial to the average fan. The positions they play and the roles they fill is critical. We needed WR and TE help more than we needed DE and QB help, I'll throw CB help in there too. A savvy GM could have figured out a way to maneuver the first round and get the playmaking WR on the board, not get sucked into the BPA vortex and wind up taking two guys that occupy positions that are very low on the priority list for 2013.

    I do watch the Jets. I do know what our deficiencies are and how they haven't been addressed. I do know that our HC and GM are also deficient. Not rocket science here. About 20 million other NFL fans see it the same way.

    Play the straw man game with someone else.

    SAR I

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    I don't watch college football. I couldn't name three players the Jets didn't draft if you paid me.
    Again, that much is obvious.

    The names of the players the Jets should have gotten is immaterial to the average fan.
    On the contrary, they are all that matters. If you cannot cite a better player we could, realisticly, have aquired to replace those you dislike, you don't really have much of an argument.

    There is a word for people who complain endlessly without offering solutions. That word is whiner.

    Play the straw man game with someone else.
    Perhaps you should complain less, and educate yourself more, on the talent in the legaue, in college, and how the salary cap works.

    Perhaps then a simple, basic, question like "who should we get" to fill your constant complaint wouldn't be so difficult for you to address without so much backpeddling and deflecting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jets88NY View Post
    Just a list of changes. On the left are the new players to the right old.
    I honestly dont see how we dont at least grab 7 wins with this schedule and the new additions...

    QB : Geno Smith --- Mark Sanchez
    RB : Chris Ivory --- Bilal Powell
    FB : Tommy Bohanon --- John Griffin
    G : Willie Colon --- Dennis Landolt
    G : Brian Winters --- Caleb Schlauderaff
    T : Austin Howard --- Vladimir Ducasse
    TE : Jeff Cumberland --- Konrad Reuland
    DE : Sheldon Richardsn --- Quinton Coples
    NT : Antonio Garay --- Sione Pouha
    OLB : Quinton Coples --- Garrett McIntyre
    OLB : Calvin Pace --- Ricky Sapp
    CB : Dee Milliner --- Darrelle Revis
    S : Dawan Landry --- Antonio Allen
    S : Josh Bush --- Josh Bush
    why is Tommy Bohanon starting over Lex Hilliard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    Drafting BPA works unless a) it replaces someone you could have kept who was better, b) it's a position of great redundancy and c) it's a position that can do more harm than good.

    a) Revis
    b) DE
    c) QB5

    I agree with accumulating draft picks and getting younger if that's the plan. We just need to do it smartly. The first three picks in the draft were baffling. Cromartie is a solid CB1. CB2 was not as important as WR1 or TE1. We have enough DE's to start an all-DE team. The QB should be the pick next season when there are blue-chippers available.

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    SAR I,
    IMHO:
    a) We should not have kept Revis due to the % of cap he demanded for his services. (see below re cap space)
    b) Rex will use Richardson inside and shade Coples just outside the tackle as a pass rusher so I donít agree with your redundancy angle. I prefer this to any of the flawed OLBís out this year.
    c) QB is a definite need and I donít comprehend how the #1 QB of his class harms our team. With luck MS wakes up under Mornhinweg and Geno becomes a solid backup, or Garrard plays and Geno is the heir apparent. Where is the harm? Nothing in the 2014 draft is promised.

    I think BPA works fine and will work even better once we get beyond the cap space bind Tanny left us. In 2014 the BPA plan will work much better because weíll have the cap room to sign above average FAís for positions of need. Until then Idzig did the best he could with the hand he was dealt. Try taking a bit of a longer view; also I think the Jets will field a more competitive team in 2013 than you do.

    From what I see in some of your other posts you donít like Idzig or Rex. You like MS and you like Cro. Iíll presume you like Mangold and DíBrick. Iím just curious, are there any other players on the team that you like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill View Post
    Again, that much is obvious.



    On the contrary, they are all that matters. If you cannot cite a better player we could, realisticly, have aquired to replace those you dislike, you don't really have much of an argument.

    There is a word for people who complain endlessly without offering solutions. That word is whiner.



    Perhaps you should complain less, and educate yourself more, on the talent in the legaue, in college, and how the salary cap works.

    Perhaps then a simple, basic, question like "who should we get" to fill your constant complaint wouldn't be so difficult for you to address without so much backpeddling and deflecting.
    +1


    boasting about one's ignorance of college football yet waving pompoms for the Jets to draft Matt Leinart? Does Not Compute

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    Quote Originally Posted by LIJetsFan View Post
    SAR I,
    IMHO:
    a)We should not have kept Revis due to the % of cap he demanded for his services. (see below re cap space)
    b)Rex will use Richardson inside and shade Coples just outside the tackle as a pass rusher so I donít agree with your redundancy angle. I prefer this to any of the flawed OLBís out this year.
    c)QB is a definite need and I donít comprehend how the #1 QB of his class harms our team. With luck MS wakes up under Mornhinweg and Geno becomes a solid backup, or Garrard plays and Geno is the heir apparent. Where is the harm? Nothing in the 2014 draft is promised.

    I think BPA works fine and will work even better once we get beyond the cap space bind Tanny left us. In 2014 the BPA plan will work much better because weíll have the cap room to sign above average FAís for positions of need. Until then Idzig did the best he could with the hand he was dealt. Try taking a bit of a longer view; also I think the Jets will field a more competitive team in 2013 than you do.

    From what I see in some of your other posts you donít like Idzig or Rex. You like MS and you like Cro. Iíll presume you like Mangold and DíBrick. Iím just curious, are there any other players on the team that you like?
    He likes the exact opposite of what this regime does. So until rex and idzik are gone be prepared for the same bs whining.



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    Quote Originally Posted by LIJetsFan View Post
    SAR I,
    IMHO:
    a) We should not have kept Revis due to the % of cap he demanded for his services. (see below re cap space)
    b) Rex will use Richardson inside and shade Coples just outside the tackle as a pass rusher so I donít agree with your redundancy angle. I prefer this to any of the flawed OLBís out this year.
    c) QB is a definite need and I donít comprehend how the #1 QB of his class harms our team. With luck MS wakes up under Mornhinweg and Geno becomes a solid backup, or Garrard plays and Geno is the heir apparent. Where is the harm? Nothing in the 2014 draft is promised.

    I think BPA works fine and will work even better once we get beyond the cap space bind Tanny left us. In 2014 the BPA plan will work much better because weíll have the cap room to sign above average FAís for positions of need. Until then Idzig did the best he could with the hand he was dealt. Try taking a bit of a longer view; also I think the Jets will field a more competitive team in 2013 than you do.

    From what I see in some of your other posts you donít like Idzig or Rex. You like MS and you like Cro. Iíll presume you like Mangold and DíBrick. Iím just curious, are there any other players on the team that you like?
    there is a better solution to the unreadable shtick

    join the ignore majority here at JI

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    Quote Originally Posted by sg3 View Post
    there is a better solution to the unreadable shtick

    join the ignore majority here at JI
    I had SAR 1 on ignore for quite a while because his views were so opposite mine. Recently I began reading posts that quoted him and I realized that at the very least he does present a reasonable well thought out alternate point of view. I've noted that when presented with a specific FACT that disproves a specific idea of his that he actually concedes it. All of the above makes him a better poster than I initially thought, so I've taken him off ignore.

    Debating someone with a polar opposite view who knows how to debate should prove to be stimulating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LIJetsFan View Post
    I had SAR 1 on ignore for quite a while because his views were so opposite mine. Recently I began reading posts that quoted him and I realized that at the very least he does present a reasonable well thought out alternate point of view. I've noted that when presented with a specific FACT that disproves a specific idea of his that he actually concedes it. All of the above makes him a better poster than I initially thought, so I've taken him off ignore.

    Debating someone with a polar opposite view who knows how to debate should prove to be stimulating.
    the only problem with that idea is that NO MATTER HOW many times you absolutely prove that he is wrong about any point.... the same old shtick keeps getting posted again and again

    Like debating a brick wall

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    Quote Originally Posted by sg3 View Post
    the only problem with that idea is that NO MATTER HOW many times you absolutely prove that he is wrong about any point.... the same old shtick keeps getting posted again and again

    Like debating a brick wall
    Well of course he'll remain consistent in his polar opposite position. That is in the nature of debate; there are two sides. If the conversation is rational then it should be entertaining and (perhaps) educational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleansweep2013 View Post
    On draft day We took the best corner, best DT, best qb, in draft..and aquired a Rb who is easily better than any rb in the draft .. And only had to give up a 4th..Ironically MT wasted a 4th on tebow, he got a no value back.
    Guys, Please stop with the best QB stuff, Geno has bust written all over him. Would rather have seen the Jets draft TE or LB in the spot. There is reason Geno lasted for 38 picks, if the Jets thought he was the long term answer they would have picked him at 13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LIJetsFan View Post
    I had SAR 1 on ignore for quite a while because his views were so opposite mine. Recently I began reading posts that quoted him and I realized that at the very least he does present a reasonable well thought out alternate point of view. I've noted that when presented with a specific FACT that disproves a specific idea of his that he actually concedes it. All of the above makes him a better poster than I initially thought, so I've taken him off ignore.

    Debating someone with a polar opposite view who knows how to debate should prove to be stimulating.
    yes, please ignore like many of us have done so we don't have to have to the same thread get repeated over and over again with the same inane nonsense.

    He's doing Schtik and your playing right into his hands when you make an attempt to debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevisCroWilson View Post
    He likes the exact opposite of what this regime does. So until rex and idzik are gone be prepared for the same bs whining

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    This regime has made nothing but mistakes for the past two years. Every decision, wrong. It is quite normal to be unhappy and question every move we are making.

    What is abnormal is waving pom-pom's and putting on the blinders. The Jets have played you Blind Homers like a fool for two years going on three. You'd think you'd learn.

    SAR I

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