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    New York Jets – Exploring Potential Of Ivory/Goodson Backfield

    There are some nice clips in the article as well

    http://turnonthejets.com/2013/05/new...eld-potential/

    The New York Jets haven’t had a flashy off-season but that doesn’t mean it hasn’t been productive. There has been measured progress at a variety of positions but the most notable infusion of talent has occurred at running back. Plodding Shonn Greene was wisely allowed to leave in free agency and in his place the Jets added a duo of backs with immensely high potential, Chris Ivory and Mike Goodson. We’ve sung the praises of both here at TOJ but we wanted to dig a little deeper into the reasons for our excitement, so we sought out Pro Football Focus and a handful of writers who previously covered Ivory and Goodson. Let’s take a closer look…


    Ivory projects to be the starting back so we’ll begin with him. In his rookie year (2010), Ivory climbed to the top of a New Orleans Saints depth chart ravaged by injuries and burst on the scene with 137 carries for 716 yards, at a whopping 5.2 yards per carry. Unfortunately, he ended the season on the injured reserve with a foot problem which carried through into the following year as he started the season on the PUP list. After being activated, Ivory had 79 carries for 374 yards at 4.7 yards per carry. Last year, his role diminished further as he only had 40 carries but still managed to rack up 217 yards at 5.4 yards per carry.

    A violent, physical runner with the ability and speed to rip off big plays (6 career runs of 25 yards or more), Ivory has shown starter’s talent since entering the league but was perpetually in a crowded backfield in New Orleans. The negatives with Ivory are his lack of experience in the passing game (he only has 3 career NFL receptions and was rarely used on passing downs by the Saints) and his durability. He was banged up throughout his college year and had struggled with injuries throughout his 1st and 2nd season in New Orleans. Yet, if Ivory can stay on the field there is no reason he shouldn’t be highly productive behind a good run blocking Jets offensive line.

    I reached out to Sam Monson, Senior Analyst at Pro Football Focus about Ivory’s prospects with the Jets and he had the following to say -

    Chris Ivory has always been at or near the top of our Elusive Rating, which combines missed tackles forced per touch and yards per carry after contact, but he rarely if ever makes the threshold in terms of touches to be included in the final study lists.

    I think there is little to no doubt that Ivory is one of the most gifted natural runners in the league. The question mark with him is can he be on the field for passing downs. The Saints either didn’t think so or weren’t willing to give him the snaps over guys like Sproles, Thomas and Ingram, because almost all of his snaps were running snaps. So as a featured runner the Jets need to find out if he can pass block and if he can be a viable receiver out of the backfield if they intend to use him as a complete back, but even if they just expand the role he had on the Saints he should be a HUGE upgrade over Greene.

    If you were thinking of rolling your eyes at the “one of the most gifted natural runners in the league” comment, watch the run starting at 31 seconds in this video package from last season.



    I also briefly spoke with Chris Roling, the managing editor of Who Dat Dish which covers the New Orleans Saints. When asked if Ivory had the traits of a lead back and how Saints fans felt about trading him, Roling said -

    He has everything you look for in a workhorse back, especially as a tough runner. His only issue is he has battled with injuries throughout his career. It’s hard to tell how his body will hold up as the featured back thanks to his physical running style

    Ivory wasn’t that productive with the team because he was the 4th on the depth chart. He also isn’t very good at catching passes, which is a big no-no in the Saints offense. His lack of productivity is part of the reason the team was willing to part with him. The fan base is a bit split on the trade, but most realize it was a smart move to get another pick to put toward rebuilding the defense.

    Ivory does still need to prove himself as a lead back in the NFL but he will be given that opportunity in New York and provides a substantially higher ceiling and more running talent than Shonn Greene. He won’t be asked to carry the load alone though and may not need to have a large role on passing downs thanks to the Jets signing of Mike Goodson.

    We broke down tape on Goodson here. Similar to Ivory, he has been stuck in crowded backfields his whole career. After minimal use during his rookie season in Carolina, Goodson received extended work in 2010 due to injuries on the Panthers and finished with 452 yards on 103 carries, for 4.4 yards per carry. He also racked up 40 receptions for 310 yards that season. After barely being used in 2011 behind DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart, he was traded to Oakland. Last year for the Raiders, he had 35 carries for 221 yards (6.3 yards per carry) and 16 receptions for 195 yards, including this 64 yard touchdown against the Miami Dolphins.



    Despite only having 51 touches last season in Oakland, Goodson had four plays over forty yards. In 2010, there were two games he received 20 carries or more and in both games he went over 100 yards. Goodson did have some fumbling issues in Carolina and many question whether he has the size to handle extended work over the course of a season. Yet, with Ivory in the fold, Goodson won’t need to be a workhorse back in New York. When discussing Goodson with Monson from PFF, he commented

    Mike Goodson has a wonderful ability to make people miss, but it can come at the expense of just ‘hitting it up in there’ and getting three yards. Think of him as a very poor man’s Barry Sanders in that regard. (Behind Ivory) expect Goodson to act as more of a 3rd down back, taking the passing plays, the draw runs on passing downs and playing pass protector.

    I also spoke with Levi Damien of Silver and Black Pride which covers the Oakland Raiders about Goodson, his time with the Raiders and thoughts on his potential with the Jets

    He was very good when he played, as evidenced by his 6.3 yards per carry average. He started out slow because of a big hit he took in camp that had him taken to the hospital in an ambulance. Once he got his confidence back, he was great. He was known for having fumbling problems when he came to the Raiders but he seemed to have fixed that issue. Raiders fans were a bit frustrated to see him go, yes. He was a great change up scat back for Darren McFadden. The one thing is, he is a great fit for the zone blocking scheme which the Raiders ran last season, but the team has switched back to power blocking so the Raiders not making a push to bring him back may have had something to do with them thinking he wasn’t a fit for their new offense.

    He has the skill set and talent (to be a 3rd down back and 1B option) but he may not have the durability. He is very small both in stature and in bulk which limits the punishment he can take. I see him as always having a complementary role in an offense much like Darren Sproles has had his entire career. He will offer a burst of speed an energy off the bench or in a two back set.

    Included for further reference on the two backs is a table sent over by Ben Stockwell from Pro Football Focus, breaking down the reps they took on the field and their elusive rating. (For further information on the elusive rating click here)



    As you can see, the potential of a Ivory/Goodson duo likely has new offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg ecstatic. If healthy, Ivory should be a bell-cow back taking the bulk of carries on early downs, while Goodson is the third down back and contributes on passing downs and for certain outside handoffs or stretch plays. In terms of talent, both exceed Bilal Powell substantially who should fall into the role of a swing backup. Monson believed that Powell “probably would spell Ivory rather than Goodson when he needs a rest on early downs” which is likely true, although Powell did get third down back experience last year and could fill in for Goodson if needed. As for Joe McKnight, it wouldn’t be shocking to see him not make the final 53 man roster especially with the Jets now kicking the tires on Josh Cribbs, who would bump him out of his kick return role.

    With the additions of Ivory and Goodson and a quality run blocking offensive line in place, the Jets could very well have their best rushing attack since 2009. A strong running game coupled with a standard Rex Ryan defense could allow the Jets to be more competitive than many expect them to in 2012.

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    Good article, thx for posting. It's a pity Ivory can't catch. I wonder how often either T-Bo or Goodson will be out there on 1st and 2nd down in a 2 back set in order to keep the pass threat alive.

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    So basically we have two promising unknowns -- guys who were productive with limited touches but have question marks about their ability to carry the load. I'll take that over Greene any day.

    Nothing we didn't pretty much know already but a good write up and read. Thanks for posting.

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    So basically we have two promising unknowns -- guys who were productive with limited touches but have question marks about their ability to carry the load. I'll take that over Greene any day.

    Nothing we didn't pretty much know already but a good write up and read. Thanks for posting.
    That's the good thing though. Both of these guys have proven to be weapons in supporting roles. At the least they will continue to play a supporting role, and if one of them shines he might earn himself the feature back role. But there is no pressure for now. Both of them have far more potential to break a big play over Greene, so that alone makes this year's situation better.

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    If the Jets manage this properly, we have the potential to have our best RBBC since the days of McNeil / Hector.

    Both of these guys have a lot of talent. With a share of the workload, they could produce very good numbers for the Jets. Keeping them both healthy - an issue for both guys in the past - will be the key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snell41 View Post
    That's the good thing though. Both of these guys have proven to be weapons in supporting roles. At the least they will continue to play a supporting role, and if one of them shines he might earn himself the feature back role. But there is no pressure for now. Both of them have far more potential to break a big play over Greene, so that alone makes this year's situation better.
    Quote Originally Posted by mrcoops View Post
    If the Jets manage this properly, we have the potential to have our best RBBC since the days of McNeil / Hector.

    Both of these guys have a lot of talent. With a share of the workload, they could produce very good numbers for the Jets. Keeping them both healthy - an issue for both guys in the past - will be the key.
    Good posts...

    Also, let's not count out Bilal Powell... He's a good versatile player, and perfect for the WCO.

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    Kudos to Idzik for finding two rbs with decent ceilings, who complement each other and were relatively cheap.

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    Hope these guys stay healthy it really helps when you call a play and every thing goes as planned, a big gain is there and a back can go for 30-40 or more. Greenes biggest fault was getting 8 yards on a potential 30-40 yard play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    Hope these guys stay healthy it really helps when you call a play and every thing goes as planned, a big gain is there and a back can go for 30-40 or more. Greenes biggest fault was getting 8 yards on a potential 30-40 yard play.
    made the o-line look worse than it was.

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    As a jets fan i never try to get my hopes up.

    But these two guys and Micheal Bush have been my favorite underrated / underutilized backs in the league. Both very high cielings if they can stay healthy.

    Seems like they can compliment eachother really well. Good Post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrcoops View Post
    If the Jets manage this properly, we have the potential to have our best RBBC since the days of McNeil / Hector.

    Both of these guys have a lot of talent. With a share of the workload, they could produce very good numbers for the Jets. Keeping them both healthy - an issue for both guys in the past - will be the key.
    Hopefully they'll be dynamic together but there's no way they're better then '04 Lamont and Curtis

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigFL View Post
    Kudos to Idzik for finding two rbs with decent ceilings, who complement each other and were relatively cheap.
    Although there's lots of uncertainty, I don't think anyone can look at Ivory, Goodson, McKnight and Powell, and not get excited by both the depth and capability at the RB position.

    While we likely don't have an Arian Foster or AP in there, that's a pretty good group from top to bottom.

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    Only the Saints really know if Ivory can't catch. Why throw to Ivory when you have an elite pass catching RB like Sproles on the team? Sproles missed three games and still caught 75 passes.

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    you can't say that....lamont and Curtis was nice but goodson is faster than c mart and ivory is more elusive and explosive than l Jordan.....I think this is going to be one deadly backfield.....can't believe someone called them UNKNOWNS....hard to be an unknown if every time you toted the rock, good things happened.....kudos to Idzik for making this happen and bringing in AN EFFECTIVE OC.



    Quote Originally Posted by Revis View Post
    Hopefully they'll be dynamic together but there's no way they're better then '04 Lamont and Curtis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankeejet22 View Post
    Good posts...

    Also, let's not count out Bilal Powell... He's a good versatile player, and perfect for the WCO.
    Bilal can block also

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigFL View Post
    Kudos to Idzik for finding two rbs with decent ceilings, who complement each other and were relatively cheap.
    agreed. Quietly the quiet man is assembling a possibly potent OFFENSE. I am impressed with several of his moves and these two moves are excellent for us. I expect a receiver to come onboard soon too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrcoops View Post
    If the Jets manage this properly, we have the potential to have our best RBBC since the days of McNeil / Hector.

    Both of these guys have a lot of talent. With a share of the workload, they could produce very good numbers for the Jets. Keeping them both healthy - an issue for both guys in the past - will be the key.
    Agreed with all your comments. Morny has the smarts to use them judiciously and create plays to maximise their skills and explosiveness. Something we've never had before, or at least in recent memory.
    I also like stockpiling of talent and depth on the OL.

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    staggering how our OL depth went from nothing to something impressive.....Idzik knows what he is doing.



    Quote Originally Posted by FijiJet View Post
    Agreed with all your comments. Morny has the smarts to use them judiciously and create plays to maximise their skills and explosiveness. Something we've never had before, or at least in recent memory.
    I also like stockpiling of talent and depth on the OL.

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    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantas...ontinuous=true

    For my fellow Fantasy Football bros. Seems so odd seeing a Jet being discussed in FF that isn't for jokes, lol.

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    • Seventh round pick Tommy Bohanon, the fullback out of Wake Forest, is as good a receiver as advertised. During one 7-on-7 play he made an impressive one-handed grab on a check down play while being smothered by a linebacker in coverage.

    If he can provide that level of comfort for a quarterback as a tight end or fullback, there may be a spot for him in this offense. Remember, Marty Mornhinweg once coached a team where Cory Schlesinger, a fullback with almost the exact same height and weight as Bohanon, had 60 catches for 466 yards in one season.

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