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    Woody says Jets Tried to Trade Down

    An interesting tidbit that mostly went overlooked in the Geno Smith hysteria is that Woody is basically admitting that the Jets were trying to trade down in the first round. Sounds like they were planning to use the lower first round pick for Smith and that him lasting to 39 was a big surprise. So it does seem like the big plan was to acquire an additional pick by trading down and likely they would have used it for one of those offensive weapons who would have been a reach at 13. That would have been a great plan and such a shame there were no trading partners by that point.

    It did seem that the Sheldon Richardson pick, despite being the best player on the board was really not their first choice as he didn't seem to fit the Jets scheme and it made so many people angry that they went with two defensive picks in the first round. And then all the talk of Rex being the puppetmaster which hopefully this puts somewhat to rest.

    “We went by our evaluations,” Johnson said. “We evaluate all those traits: skills and communication, leadership. . . . We evaluate them. He got a very high score with us. He was the next guy on our board and we drafted him.”
    Gang Green selected cornerback Dee Milliner and defensive tackle Sheldon Richardson with their two first-round selections — Nos. 9 and 13, respectively — but Johnson said that Smith would have been given serious first-round consideration “if we had dropped down.”

    Although Johnson praised Smith, he stopped short of calling him a franchise quarterback, repeating Idzik’s central offseason theme.
    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...#ixzz2SoI7GgQq

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinny Testaverde's Niece View Post
    An interesting tidbit that mostly went overlooked in the Geno Smith hysteria is that Woody is basically admitting that the Jets were trying to trade down in the first round. Sounds like they were planning to use the lower first round pick for Smith and that him lasting to 39 was a big surprise. So it does seem like the big plan was to acquire an additional pick by trading down and likely they would have used it for one of those offensive weapons who would have been a reach at 13. That would have been a great plan and such a shame there were no trading partners by that point.

    It did seem that the Sheldon Richardson pick, despite being the best player on the board was really not their first choice as he didn't seem to fit the Jets scheme and it made so many people angry that they went with two defensive picks in the first round. And then all the talk of Rex being the puppetmaster which hopefully this puts somewhat to rest.



    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...#ixzz2SoI7GgQq
    this is worded as a hypothetical and i don't read into it that the jets necessarily tried to trade back. it states an alleged plan if they had traded back.

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    I dont think there is any doubt that the Jets tried to trade back. They were in a bad position however at 13 to do so. They were in no mans land, San Fran didnt need to go that high to get their safety, and there wasnt anyone available that teams really wanted to give up a second round pick for. Just like you can not draft what isnt there, you cant trade without a partner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    I dont think there is any doubt that the Jets tried to trade back. They were in a bad position however at 13 to do so. They were in no mans land, San Fran didnt need to go that high to get their safety, and there wasnt anyone available that teams really wanted to give up a second round pick for. Just like you can not draft what isnt there, you cant trade without a partner.
    I agree with this. There were also reports on Day 2 that they were trying to trade up for Smith.

    In the end, it sounds like it worked out for them.

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    if the jets were considering geno in the first round, they must be freaking psyched right now. they got a real good cb, added an interior pass rusher and got the qb they wanted. and since they didn't have to trade up to get geno, they were able to get ivory and finally get some offensive linemen.

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    Everone knew that the Rams were desperate for WR Tavon Austin in the first round especially after having lost their best receiver Danny Amandolla to the Patriots who lost Wes Welker. To get Austin the Rams had to move in front of the Jets who also wanted Tavon Austin. The trade with the Bills was done the day of the draft and they just had to wait until pick 7 to make the trade.

    Woody Johnson smoke screen If the Jets were so hot for Geno Smith they would have taken him with the 9th pick or even the 13th pick.

    http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articl...draft/13563290

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    Quote Originally Posted by rajensen088 View Post
    Everone knew that the Rams were desperate for WR Tavon Austin in the first round especially after having lost their best receiver Danny Amandolla to the Patriots who lost Wes Welker. To get Austin the Rams had to move in front of the Jets who also wanted Tavon Austin. The trade with the Bills was done the day of the draft and they just had to wait until pick 7 to make the trade.

    Woody Johnson smoke screen If the Jets were so hot for Geno Smith they would have taken him with the 9th pick or even the 13th pick.

    http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articl...draft/13563290
    What are you talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rajensen088 View Post
    Everone knew that the Rams were desperate for WR Tavon Austin in the first round especially after having lost their best receiver Danny Amandolla to the Patriots who lost Wes Welker. To get Austin the Rams had to move in front of the Jets who also wanted Tavon Austin. The trade with the Bills was done the day of the draft and they just had to wait until pick 7 to make the trade.

    Woody Johnson smoke screen If the Jets were so hot for Geno Smith they would have taken him with the 9th pick or even the 13th pick.

    http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articl...draft/13563290
    And BoBo the Jensen makes an appearance.

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    "If we had dropped down"?

    Wouldn't just about every team in the draft say that? IF Is hardly we were trying to move down.

    I think you always are taking offers for your pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Nut View Post
    "If we had dropped down"?

    Wouldn't just about every team in the draft say that? IF Is hardly we were trying to move down.

    I think you always are taking offers for your pick.
    LOL not if you want a player at the pick you already have.

    And no. Why would every team say that. Apparently 31 others aren't as a matter of fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rajensen088 View Post
    Everone knew that the Rams were desperate for WR Tavon Austin in the first round especially after having lost their best receiver Danny Amandolla to the Patriots who lost Wes Welker. To get Austin the Rams had to move in front of the Jets who also wanted Tavon Austin. The trade with the Bills was done the day of the draft and they just had to wait until pick 7 to make the trade.

    Woody Johnson smoke screen If the Jets were so hot for Geno Smith they would have taken him with the 9th pick or even the 13th pick.

    http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articl...draft/13563290
    Smoke screening after the draft. Oh, yeah......

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    Teams don't "try" to trade down.

    They make it known they are willing to, then field offers from teams that ARE "trying" to trade up.

    If the offers aren't good, you stay put. There's no try, only do.

    Only a team that wants to move up, but fails to, "tries".

    We knew well before the draft the Jets were willing.

    This isn't news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinny Testaverde's Niece View Post
    LOL not if you want a player at the pick you already have.

    And no. Why would every team say that. Apparently 31 others aren't as a matter of fact.
    Why do you think that teams take the full allotted time? They're fielding or waiting on offers. Of course if you get the guy you want you listen but it will take more to pry the pick away. Also depends where you're dropping to and if you think you still can get that player with the lower pick. If you can feel multiple needs with one pick by trading, you have to evaluate the offer. But you can't force someone to make an offer or trade to your spot

    Yes, every team will listen to offers. And it someone makes an offer too good you make a trade.

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    Thank god we didn't trade down, I would've fliped if Geno went with one of our 1st round picks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic Bus View Post
    Thank god we didn't trade down, I would've fliped if Geno went with one of our 1st round picks
    But if you could have picked up an additional second round pick and taken Geno in the 20s lets say, and then drafted a TE Gavin Escobar and Safety D.J. Swearinger in the second round. So instead of Milliner, Richardson and Geno you could of had something like Milliner, Geno, Escobar and Swearinger.

    I think that is what Idzik was attempting to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    But if you could have picked up an additional second round pick and taken Geno in the 20s lets say, and then drafted a TE Gavin Escobar and Safety D.J. Swearinger in the second round. So instead of Milliner, Richardson and Geno you could of had something like Milliner, Geno, Escobar and Swearinger.

    I think that is what Idzik was attempting to do.
    Which would have left the genius analysts saying we could have sat at 13 and drafted Richardson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Nut View Post
    Which would have left the genius analysts saying we could have sat at 13 and drafted Richardson.
    And they would have said the Jets reached badly for Geno in the late first. Whats funny is that the Jets could have actually drafted Geno in the late first and there would be less of an uproar over the pick than taking him in the second. By Geno going in the first we could gave avoided all the draft night drama and thus reduced a lot of the criticism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John McClane View Post
    Teams don't "try" to trade down.

    They make it known they are willing to, then field offers from teams that ARE "trying" to trade up.

    If the offers aren't good, you stay put. There's no try, only do.

    Only a team that wants to move up, but fails to, "tries".

    We knew well before the draft the Jets were willing.

    This isn't news.
    "There is no try."

    -- WestCoastOffensive

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    But if you could have picked up an additional second round pick and taken Geno in the 20s lets say, and then drafted a TE Gavin Escobar and Safety D.J. Swearinger in the second round. So instead of Milliner, Richardson and Geno you could of had something like Milliner, Geno, Escobar and Swearinger.

    I think that is what Idzik was attempting to do.
    + a billion

    I personally would have loved that draft myself. The Richardson pick is the one I wasn't crazy about initially, as I had hoped after Millner the Jets would have been lucky enough to still land Warmack at 13.

    That said, everything about Richardson points toward it being a solid pick, and the Coples move creates a place for him in the defense. Besides, for all those saying he doesn't fit the scheme...well that's only true as long as the current staff is in place, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John McClane View Post
    Teams don't "try" to trade down.

    They make it known they are willing to, then field offers from teams that ARE "trying" to trade up.

    If the offers aren't good, you stay put. There's no try, only do.

    Only a team that wants to move up, but fails to, "tries".

    We knew well before the draft the Jets were willing.

    This isn't news.
    OK Yoda, thanks "would have liked to" "were open to" "sought trading partners to trade down" "had an awesome plan had they been able to"

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