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    Keyshawn, Farrior, Abraham, Vilma, Moss, Revis

    What do all of these guys have in common? Very impactful former 1st rounders who have been long term starters. They are also guys that Woody didn't want to pay. Usually when teams dump 1st rounders its because they are busts. Not the New York Jets!

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    That being said Bryan Thomas lasted a decade. LOL!!!

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    Is it okay for me to poop here? I don't see anyone here and I have to poop.

    Can I poop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kali yuga View Post
    Is it okay for me to poop here? I don't see anyone here and I have to poop.

    Can I poop?
    There's a standard Jets insider board comment LOL.

    Anyways:

    Keyshawn contributed to Tampa's Super Bowl exactly the same way Boldin did with the Ravens this year.

    Farrior played the Jack Lambert role on Pittsburgh for 3 Super Bowl appearances and 2 rings.

    Vilma was the heart and soul of the Superbowl champion Saints defense.

    Abraham has over 100 sacks, Moss has been very solid for the garbage Redskins and Revis is currently the best defender in the game.

    It just doesn't make sense.

    Who is Mangold blowing to hang on to his roster spot???

    Thanks Mr Johnson!

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-E-T-S-Jets View Post
    What do all of these guys have in common? Very impactful former 1st rounders who have been long term starters. They are also guys that Woody didn't want to pay. Usually when teams dump 1st rounders its because they are busts. Not the New York Jets!
    Revis wanted too much and no one will pay him what he wants, he'll never see that contract through the end of it's life. Woody paid him millions, more than any corner ever. Hard to blame him for the trade.

    Farrior was gone before Woody was the owner here.

    Parcells got rid of Keyshawn because he didn't want Groh to be burdened with the nonsense he was going to bring. He had a contract and didn't didn't have to be traded that year.

    Vilma was traded because he didn't fit Manginis 3-4 D, had nothing to do with money.

    Abraham was traded for 2 number 1's. I'd do it again.

    You're argument is misplaced

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-E-T-S-Jets View Post
    Usually when teams dump...
    Speaking of dump... this thread should be heading there soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Nut View Post
    Revis wanted too much and no one will pay him what he wants, he'll never see that contract through the end of it's life. Woody paid him millions, more than any corner ever. Hard to blame him for the trade.

    Farrior was gone before Woody was the owner here.

    Parcells got rid of Keyshawn because he didn't want Groh to be burdened with the nonsense he was going to bring. He had a contract and didn't didn't have to be traded that year.

    Vilma was traded because he didn't fit Manginis 3-4 D, had nothing to do with money.

    Abraham was traded for 2 number 1's. I'd do it again.
    You thinking KJ, Abe got us the 29th pick of the 1st rd when we picked Mangold..Plus KJ said unless they redid his contract(That had 2 years left on it) he was going to pull a Mevis..

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    i think it has a lot do with the short sightedness of our management. they don't plan for the future and it ends up costing them the few guys that they actually draft and develop that are good. i think a lot has to do with the fact that, especially in NY, there is no future, its all about NOW!

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    1. Johnson was disgruntled here, and was traded for 2 #1 picks. His play once gone was good at times, but generally quite average, at best.

    2. Farrior was a solid average LB here who found himself out when we changed systems (if I recall), and went on to thrive in Pittsburgh where so many LB'er thrive.

    3. Abraham was a very good pass-rush DE....in the 40% of the snaps he was able to play here. He was a liabillity vs. the run. His injury history and lack of full-time availabillity warranted letting him go.

    4. Vilma was in the wrong system in a system change and too expensive for what he offered that new system (in the Head Coaches mind)

    5. Santana Moss was an average WR here at best. He has been the Redskins Santonio Holmes for a while now, average in a below-average unit holding down the fort on a WR-weak team.

    6. Revis wanted to be paid Peyton Manning money on a 6-10 team with cap problems and a hundred talent holes.

    Trying to boil this all down to "cheap owner" is IMO a gross oversimplification of the specific players, their pro/cons, the team and team makeup/system, and (yes) their costs vs. benefit analysis at that time, all factors included.

    In any event, Idzik (our GM) bears no responsabillity for these, nor (IMO) does Woody as Owner. You hire a GM to make these decisions.

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    Farrier was a huge disappointment up until his contract year which was solid rather than spectacular.When you think we passed up on Orlando Pace for him.

    Abraham was likely only a Jet because we traded Keyshawn n the first place

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-E-T-S-Jets View Post
    What do all of these guys have in common? Very impactful former 1st rounders who have been long term starters. They are also guys that Woody didn't want to pay. Usually when teams dump 1st rounders its because they are busts. Not the New York Jets!
    We shouldn't be saying Woody didn't want to pay them. The team/GM made a decision that they were going to move on from player. The Jets consistently pay the maximum salary cap. It's not a function of Woody not "wanting" to pay.

    Every team lets starters go that start on other teams. That's why Free Agency exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage69 View Post
    You thinking KJ, Abe got us the 29th pick of the 1st rd when we picked Mangold..Plus KJ said unless they redid his contract(That had 2 years left on it) he was going to pull a Mevis..
    Yeah, you're right.

    But the point is that all weren't traded under Woodys ownership and not all because of money only. Key was going to be a pain and may have actually held out for a big payday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-E-T-S-Jets View Post
    There's a standard Jets insider board comment LOL.

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    Keyshawn contributed to Tampa's Super Bowl exactly the same way Boldin did with the Ravens this year.

    Farrior played the Jack Lambert role on Pittsburgh for 3 Super Bowl appearances and 2 rings.

    Vilma was the heart and soul of the Superbowl champion Saints defense.

    Abraham has over 100 sacks, Moss has been very solid for the garbage Redskins and Revis is currently the best defender in the game.

    It just doesn't make sense.

    Who is Mangold blowing to hang on to his roster spot???

    Thanks Mr Johnson!
    You fail to detail the individual situations of the players you mention.

    Why is that?

    There's more people here, but it still seems like the best thread to poop in.

    Should I poop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-E-T-S-Jets View Post
    There's a standard Jets insider board comment LOL.

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    Keyshawn contributed to Tampa's Super Bowl exactly the same way Boldin did with the Ravens this year.

    Farrior played the Jack Lambert role on Pittsburgh for 3 Super Bowl appearances and 2 rings.

    Vilma was the heart and soul of the Superbowl champion Saints defense.

    Abraham has over 100 sacks, Moss has been very solid for the garbage Redskins and Revis is currently the best defender in the game.

    It just doesn't make sense.

    Who is Mangold blowing to hang on to his roster spot???

    Thanks Mr Johnson!
    Wasn't Keyshawn inactive for the rest of the season because of a beef with Gruden? I don't really remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Nut View Post
    Yeah, you're right.

    But the point is that all weren't traded under Woodys ownership and not all because of money only. Key was going to be a pain and may have actually held out for a big payday.
    Even the ones based upon money were Football decisions and a function of managing the salary cap.

    There seems to be this ignorance with many fans that Woody is somehow cheap and doesn't want to pay his players.

    Woody has consistently spent the most he's allowed to spend on the teams salary. How the HARD cap is distributed is a football decision not a "Money" decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Nut View Post
    Revis wanted too much and no one will pay him what he wants, he'll never see that contract through the end of it's life. Woody paid him millions, more than any corner ever. Hard to blame him for the trade.

    Farrior was gone before Woody was the owner here.

    Parcells got rid of Keyshawn because he didn't want Groh to be burdened with the nonsense he was going to bring. He had a contract and didn't didn't have to be traded that year.

    Vilma was traded because he didn't fit Manginis 3-4 D, had nothing to do with money.

    Abraham was traded for 2 number 1's. I'd do it again.

    You're argument is misplaced
    Farrior was let go because of money though. Belichick was the DC. Neither he nor Parcells saw what he would become in another system.
    Abraham's trade was money too he wanted a long term contract but couldn't stay healthy. Keyshawn was harping about money also. All of the players except Vilma was about money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wepnx View Post
    Farrior was let go because of money though. Belichick was the DC. Neither he nor Parcells saw what he would become in another system.
    Abraham's trade was money too he wanted a long term contract but couldn't stay healthy. Keyshawn was harping about money also. All of the players except Vilma was about money.
    That's interesting, although when you mention Belichick... you can count more players for the Pats lost because of money than the Jets.

    The only difference is that the Pats have a quarterback to compensate for their losses, and the Jets have been playing sandbox in that department for close to 4 decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Nut View Post
    Revis wanted too much and no one will pay him what he wants, he'll never see that contract through the end of it's life. Woody paid him millions, more than any corner ever. Hard to blame him for the trade.

    Farrior was gone before Woody was the owner here.

    Parcells got rid of Keyshawn because he didn't want Groh to be burdened with the nonsense he was going to bring. He had a contract and didn't didn't have to be traded that year.

    Vilma was traded because he didn't fit Manginis 3-4 D, had nothing to do with money.

    Abraham was traded for 2 number 1's. I'd do it again.

    You're argument is misplaced
    This. And to add, Abraham was coming off his second arrest for dui after kissing a fire hydrant.
    Farrior was not the same Farrior with the Steelers.
    Revis, come on.
    Keyshawn wanted to be the highest paid wr in the NFL and he was maybe top ten at the time.
    Stop with the Woody slant. The guy has been a good owner especially when it comes to spending money. Has there been mistakes, yes, but who doesnt make those?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fidelioion View Post
    We shouldn't be saying Woody didn't want to pay them. The team/GM made a decision that they were going to move on from player. The Jets consistently pay the maximum salary cap. It's not a function of Woody not "wanting" to pay.

    Every team lets starters go that start on other teams. That's why Free Agency exist.
    I do think it was about money although there was a reason for it. The Jets do wind up too many times paying the wrong guy the big money. They used to try and get cheap with play makers and then pay the quiet workman way too much busting their cap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wepnx View Post
    Farrior was let go because of money though. Belichick was the DC. Neither he nor Parcells saw what he would become in another system.
    Abraham's trade was money too he wanted a long term contract but couldn't stay healthy. Keyshawn was harping about money also. All of the players except Vilma was about money.
    It was a football move, not a money only move.

    Key was under contract had 2 years left. When you decide not to be blackmailed into redoing a deal by the threat of lockout that's not a money issue. It's a football decision. he had 2 years left, was being paid.

    Every move can be traced to money using this logic. They didn't think he would be good.....so didn't want to pay him.

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