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    Quote Originally Posted by Snell41 View Post
    No, not Gholston. Jets fans typically hate their top draft picks even if they're good. It's the late rounders that play marginally well and occassionally do something good that are suddenly HUGE losses when some other team grossly overpays for them. I can assure you both SEA and BUF regret the contracts they gave to Washington and Smith, but somehow they were huge losses for us.

    It's like this-

    Kyle Williams=Awful, sucks, cut him tomorrow
    Dwight Lowery=ZOMG!!!! How could we let him go!
    LOL. Very true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rich1223 View Post
    Seriously how many punt/kickoff returners do we really need?
    43.

    You never can be too cautious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maury77 View Post
    I miss Smith ... and Washington

    Me too...sign Smith when he becomes available

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    Quote Originally Posted by houyx View Post
    Leon Washington is going to crush us when we play against him (and the Patriots), especially considering we have a new ST coach. I predict he's going to have at least 1 ST TD against us this season.
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunnie View Post
    How old are you ? Just curious. I'm wondering if you are younger and they are players you are nostalgic about.

    Cause while,they were fun players to watch ... I don't think they were anything to write home about.

    Leon may look good on Pats though.
    Leon is twice the player his replacement Joe McKnight will ever be

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    I'll never understand the obsession with reaquiring yesteryears third string special teams contributors and castoffs.

    Joe McKnight has a higher lifetime kick return average and the same punt return average than Leon Washington, and in the same ballpark in rushing yards per attempt (4.5 vs. 4.7). McKnight is younger. Cheaper. Faster. And on the roster already. Why exactly would we need to incur more cost to aquire an older player we already dumped once? In point of fact, McKnight currently hold sthe highest kick return yard avergae amongst active players in the NFL. #1, at 29.0 Yards.

    As for Brad Smith, I too liked him way back when. But he's a gimmick player, always has been. A cheap "slash". Tim Tebow without the media attention. Not fast enough to play WR. Not good enough to play QB. Good for the occasional reverse or flea flicker. He's a #5 WR for a system like Shotty's. We can do better.

    Nostalgia for minor contributors of the past is no way to run an NFL team.
    Last edited by Churchill; 05-12-2013 at 01:04 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill View Post
    I'll never understand the obsession with reaquiring yesteryears third string special teams contributors and castoffs.

    Joe McKnight has a higher lifetime kick return average and the same punt return average than Leon Washington, and in the same ballpark in rushing yards per attempt (4.5 vs. 4.7). McKnight is younger. Cheaper. Faster. And on the roster already. Why exactly would we need to incur more cost to aquire an older player we already dumped once? In point of fact, McKnight currently hold sthe highest kick return yard avergae amongst active players in the NFL. #1, at 29.0 Yards.

    As for Brad Smith, I too liked him way back when. But he's a gimmick player, always has been. A cheap "slash". Tim Tebow without the media attention. Not fast enough to play WR. Not good enough to play QB. Good for the occasional reverse or flea flicker. He's a #5 WR for a system like Shotty's. We can do better.

    Nostalgia for minor contributors of the past is no way to run an NFL team.
    1-Leon has more than TRIPLE the TDS Joe McKnight has since he left

    2-You bring up Punt Returns, McKnight couldn't win the job and has only returned punts a handful of times

    3-McKnight is and will always be a fumbler

    Leon NEVER fumbles
    Last edited by Mohegangreen; 05-12-2013 at 11:28 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohegangreen View Post
    1-Leon has TWICE as many TDS as Joe McKnight has since he left

    2-You bring up Punt Returns, McKnight couldn't win the job and has only returned punts a handful of times

    3-McKnight is and will always be a fumbler

    Leon NEVER fumbles
    And how much fun will it be to have Mrs. Washington back on the board

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    Quote Originally Posted by nycdan View Post
    And how much fun will it be to have Mrs. Washington back on the board
    He wasn't ever coming back after all that BS...

    I just don't like hearing all these guys talk about his leaving as no big deal, he was the difference in so many games while he was here and a great returner, much better than McKnight or Smith are...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotch View Post
    Smith at a discounted price would be a great signing.

    I'd actually prefer this to Josh Cribbs, since Smith is nearly as capable as Cribbs as a kick returner, and more useful as a backup WR than Cribbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rich1223 View Post
    Seriously how many punt/kickoff returners do we really need?
    Who are all these punt returners we have? We don't have one. Smith is not a punt returner either so no sense in picking him up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunnie View Post
    How old are you ? Just curious. I'm wondering if you are younger and they are players you are nostalgic about.

    Cause while,they were fun players to watch ... I don't think they were anything to write home about.

    Leon may look good on Pats though.

    Leon was an outstanding player before he got injured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohegangreen View Post
    1-Leon has TWICE as many TDS as Joe McKnight has since he left
    In three years in Seattle, Washington has 4 TD's as a KR. 3 of them in 2010.....four seasons ago now.

    In the last two years, Washington has 1 TD, McKnight 2.

    Washington has a 26.6 YPR. McKnight 29.3

    Washington has 1,868 Yards on 70 Returns. McKnight has 2,145 on 73.

    2011, 2012, McKnight is the better KR.

    2-You bring up Punt Returns, McKnight couldn't win the job and has only returned punts a handful of times
    Washington is an avergae Punt Returner. Nothing special.

    3-McKnight is and will always be a fumbler

    Leon NEVER fumbles
    Since Washington Left, he has 7 fumbles. McKnight has 6 in the same period.

    In 7 seasons, Washington has 18 fumbles.

    All stats sourced from ProFootballReference.

    Washington is more expensve, older, with more miles and injuries behind him. Nostalgia is no way to run a football team, especially in a rebuild situation.
    Last edited by Churchill; 05-12-2013 at 09:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill View Post
    I'll never understand the obsession with reaquiring yesteryears third string special teams contributors and castoffs.

    Joe McKnight has a higher lifetime kick return average and the same punt return average than Leon Washington, and in the same ballpark in rushing yards per attempt (4.5 vs. 4.7). McKnight is younger. Cheaper. Faster. And on the roster already. Why exactly would we need to incur more cost to aquire an older player we already dumped once? In point of fact, McKnight currently hold sthe highest kick return yard avergae amongst active players in the NFL. #1, at 29.0 Yards.

    As for Brad Smith, I too liked him way back when. But he's a gimmick player, always has been. A cheap "slash". Tim Tebow without the media attention. Not fast enough to play WR. Not good enough to play QB. Good for the occasional reverse or flea flicker. He's a #5 WR for a system like Shotty's. We can do better.

    Nostalgia for minor contributors of the past is no way to run an NFL team.
    Yep. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill View Post
    In three years in Seattle, Washington has 4 TD's as a KR. 3 of them in 2010.....four seasons ago now.

    In the last two years, Washington has 1 TD, McKnight 2.

    Washington has a 26.6 YPR. McKnight 29.3

    Washington has 1,868 Yards on 70 Returns. McKnight has 2,145 on 73.

    2011, 2012, McKnight is the better KR.



    Washington is an avergae Punt Returner. Nothing special.



    Since Washington Left, he has 7 fumbles. McKnight has 6 in the same period.

    In 7 seasons, Washington has 18 fumbles.

    All stats sourced from ProFootballReference.

    Washington is more expensve, older, with more miles and injuries behind him. Nostalgia is no way to run a football team, especially in a rebuild situation.
    Washington has 4 return tds in the last three years to mcknights 2, he also has 3 rushing tds to mcknights zippo

    As far as fumbles go Leon has 357 touches with 7 fumbles during these 3 years Mcknight has 212 touches with 6 fumbles

    If Mcknight was even attempting punt returns his number would be embarassing, he's fumbled 2 times out of his 7 career attempts

    Leon is still an outstanding punt returner, IMO

    Im not running the football team and neither are you, I didnt even say I wanted him back just telling you who is the better player
    Last edited by Mohegangreen; 05-12-2013 at 11:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill View Post
    In three years in Seattle, Washington has 4 TD's as a KR. 3 of them in 2010.....four seasons ago now.

    In the last two years, Washington has 1 TD, McKnight 2.

    Washington has a 26.6 YPR. McKnight 29.3

    Washington has 1,868 Yards on 70 Returns. McKnight has 2,145 on 73.

    2011, 2012, McKnight is the better KR.
    One more thing, You're forgetting the fumbles on KO Returns, which are killers

    In the last 2 seasons Mcknight has 3 fumbles on KO's while Leon has 1

    Leon is the better KO returner, case closed

    Like I said Mcknight is a fumbler, stick that in your pipe and smoke it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohegangreen View Post
    Leon is twice the player his replacement Joe McKnight will ever be
    No one is really arguing against that. Leon>McKnight. Problem is Leon Washington was never worth the payday he got from Seattle. Does not mean McKnight cannot be an effective Kick Returner and backup RB which he already is.
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    Let Schitforbrains in St Louis get his boyfriend Brad Smith back. Brad Smith can help Schotty shoot Bradford's career in the foot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    No one is really arguing against that. Leon>McKnight. Problem is Leon Washington was never worth the payday he got from Seattle. Does not mean McKnight cannot be an effective Kick Returner and backup RB which he already is.
    Uh...Churchill was

    U might want to reread the thread, dude

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohegangreen View Post
    Leon is twice the player his replacement Joe McKnight will ever be
    Except that the numbers say otherwise.

    80 rushing and 30 receiving is not leaving anyone on the team worried.

    240 rushing the year before and 100 the year before says hes done.

    Other than those chasing the ghost of Leon. Kind of like Braylon.

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