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Thread: 3 Years Have Passed, Grade the Jets 2010 Draft

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    What exactly has Hernandez accomplished lately?!
    Lets not pretend he's some HOFer... I think Dustin Keller made more of an impact last year than that dirtball roid-rager.
    I wonder if him and Grunk have hospital beds next to each other?

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    Whatever is lower than an F...

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    You are all idiots if you give the 2010 draft anything lower than a C+

    YES the college players DRAFTED should be producing a lot more, but you fail to recognize that the 2010 draft also YIELDED Antonio Cromartie and Santonio Holmes. Those are MATERIAL acquisitions from that draft. They produced more than anyone who would have been picked with those choices.

    Cro was 3 years removed from being an ALL PRO CB ('07), is a current Pro-Bowler, and is a #1 Corner that allowed Revis to be expendable. Holmes, as much as you correctly hate him, was CLUTCH $$$ for us and single-handedly won us a few games in 2010. No draft pick that year would have had that type of immediate impact & production.

    If you fail to recognize that those were the most important fruits of the 2010 draft that made the Jets a legit SB contender in 2010 compared to the 2009 season - regardless of the contract extensions handed out by Tanny the following year for those players- then you should not be grading the draft.
    Last edited by Gas2No99; 05-11-2013 at 05:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzsaw View Post
    1st Round: CB Kyle Wilson
    2nd Round: G Vladimir Ducasse
    4th Round: RB Joe McKnight
    5th Round: FB John Connor
    F
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    F
    F-

    Overall grade - F minus

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    In my opinion, anything over an F is too generous. It's far below average. The draft that cemented Tannenbaum's fate with the organization.

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    F+

    Wilson.... C-

    Vlad..... F-

    McKnight... D-

    Conner.... F-

    Scotty McKnight.... F---

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    Quote Originally Posted by houyx View Post
    F+

    Wilson.... C-

    Vlad..... F-

    McKnight... D-

    Conner.... F-

    Scotty McKnight.... F---
    scotty was the icing on that vomit draft cake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gas2No99 View Post
    You are all idiots if you give the 2010 draft anything lower than a C+

    YES the college players DRAFTED should be producing a lot more, but you fail to recognize that the 2010 draft also YIELDED Antonio Cromartie and Santonio Holmes. Those are MATERIAL acquisitions from that draft. They produced more than anyone who would have been picked with those choices.

    Cro was 3 years removed from being an ALL PRO CB ('07), is a current Pro-Bowler, and is a #1 Corner that allowed Revis to be expendable. Holmes, as much as you correctly hate him, was CLUTCH $$$ for us and single-handedly won us a few games in 2010. No draft pick that year would have had that type of immediate impact & production.

    If you fail to recognize that those were the most important fruits of the 2010 draft that made the Jets a legit SB contender in 2010 compared to the 2009 season - regardless of the contract extensions handed out by Tanny the following year for those players- then you should not be grading the draft.
    Good point, didn't realize the draft also yielded Cro and Holmes.

    Upgraded from F+ to B-.

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    horrific. F-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman Harris View Post
    What exactly has Hernandez accomplished lately?!
    Lets not pretend he's some HOFer... I think Dustin Keller made more of an impact last year than that dirtball roid-rager.
    I wonder if him and Grunk have hospital beds next to each other?
    Ranked #77 by his peers. The Pats got McCourty, Gronk, Hernandez, and Spikes in one draft. All starters, 1 all-pro selection, 2 pro-bowl selections. They did have a lot of picks to work with , but the Pats hit 4 times that draft. It's arguably the best draft by any team in the league that year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASG0531 View Post
    Ranked #77 by his peers. The Pats got McCourty, Gronk, Hernandez, and Spikes in one draft. All starters, 1 all-pro selection, 2 pro-bowl selections. They did have a lot of picks to work with , but the Pats hit 4 times that draft. It's arguably the best draft by any team in the league that year.
    McCourty is horrible, worse than Kyle Wilson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzsaw View Post
    McCourty is horrible, worse than Kyle Wilson
    28. Devin McCourty, DB, New England Patriots (Unranked)

    What made the year of McCourty all the more remarkable was that he wasn’t just excellent at one position, but two. With the Patriots struggling at safety he made the switch and didn’t let the midseason change impact his performance, finishing in the Top 15 overall rankings at both positions. With great range and a nose for the ball, McCourty is a star wherever you line him up.

    Best Performance: Week 1 at Tennessee, +2.9

    Key Stat: Allowed just 0.2 Yards Per Snap in Coverage while lined up at safety. The lowest of all safeties to play at least 200 snaps in coverage.
    Let's just face it, we both tried to find players to replace those guys. You drafted Milliner, we signed Taliib. But McCourty is graded as a very solid safety, so he is starting. Not the man-to-man guy we wanted, but he's still on a team where Belichick tosses players like M&M's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzsaw View Post
    McCourty is horrible, worse than Kyle Wilson
    As a man corner? OK. As a zone corner or safety? McCourty is light years better than Wilson.

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    Grade the draft as the players individually, and then grade the draft overall.

    Kyle Wilson

    Wilson has become a solid nickel back, and arguably had his best season last year (2012). Wilson is a physical corner, and isn't afraid to make contact with his receivers. He isn't good reading the offense and making mid play adjustments, however he is good enough to start on many teams in the NFL. Jets fans are quick to judge him because they have been spoiled by the play of Revis and Cromartie. If the Jets had a "decent" pass rush, Wilson becomes a better player (as most CBs would).

    C+

    Vlad Ducasse

    Ducasse has barely improved since his rookie season. He is average in his run blocking, but abysmal at the passing game. He single handedly caused Robert Turner to miss the entire 2011 season (injury), and subsequently signed with St. Louis.

    D

    Joe McKnight

    McKnight was highly touted going from high school to college, and did play with a fire at times (vs. Ohio State he single handedly took the game over). On the Jets he has been scared to take it to the next level. He has all the physical tools, and is a Pro Bowl caliber returner (however, Coach Westhoff consistently makes good returners out of players), but can't seem to put it together in the running game. His performance as a special teams player has kept him on the team.

    C+

    John Connor

    Connor has all the physical tools to be a bruising fullback. That being said, he consistently misses blocks, and is terrible as a pass blocking fullback. He can't catch, and despite being a hard hitting football player he contributes very little to the offense.

    D

    The fact that these players survived multiple seasons is telling on many levels, however they're on a bad team in areas of the team (except Wilson) that are weak. Overall having 4 draft picks is borderline inexcusable, especially when those other picks that were traded for players - the players were released, retired, etc. (Edwards, Jenkins accounted for two 3rd and two 5th round picks in 2 years - a problem that has helped the demise of this team).

    Overall grade: D-
    Last edited by John_0515; 05-11-2013 at 08:55 PM.

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    D which just happens to be the first letter in diarrhea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFCEastFan View Post
    As a man corner? OK. As a zone corner or safety? McCourty is light years better than Wilson.
    McCourty is perfect for a zone scheme, and is awful in man coverage. He is not good at making adjustments, just like Wilson, however he has many physical tools that make him succeed when not challenged to adjust mid play.

    Wilson is way more physical than McCourty, but suffers from the same inability to adjust mid play. I think McCourty is able to read the offense a little better, which is probably why he'd make a better safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYJCAP2 View Post
    D is a generous grade, you have to take into account the players they took and the picks they lost and didnt't even have. Closer to an F.
    Ducasse is one of the worst wastes of a pick ever- Wilson did passable filling in for Revis but he could very well be surpassed by Dee Milliner this year. John Conner is no longer with the team and we drafted his replacement this year. Joe McKnight has been given plenty of chances but he always seems to get injured or make a critical mistake just when it seems like he's starting to make a name for himself.

    All in all, I don't see how you could grade this draft class higher than a D.

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    It's very interesting how different grades are 3 years later:

    http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=212585
    everybody on here was screaming about how the Pats had a horrible draft and the Jets had a great one.

    NEP got 2 All-Pros, 2 more borderline pro bowlers in Spikes and Hernandez, one of the better Punters in the league, a decent situational rusher, and a quality backup DT. They also drafted a center who got pushed out in the roster squeeze and depth at center who went onto being a starter for another NFL team, in 2011 when they won the AFC and went to the Super Bowl they went through 4 centers due to injury and didn't miss a beat. A draft like that is what the Jets can only aspire to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFCEastFan View Post
    As a man corner? OK. As a zone corner or safety? McCourty is light years better than Wilson.
    I don't think Wilson is any good, so not sure where you're going with this. Your fellow Pats fan says the Pats "hit" on McCourty, agree or disagree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzsaw View Post
    I don't think Wilson is any good, so not sure where you're going with this. Your fellow Pats fan says the Pats "hit" on McCourty, agree or disagree?
    Agree. He sucks in man coverage, to be sure. But playing almost exclusively zone as a rookie, he was a 1st team All Pro. And as the safety he is today, he is a solid starter.

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