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    Tannenbaum Draft Picks Who Could Miss Final 53

    New York Jets GM John Idzik hasn’t hesitated to put his imprint on the team. Part of that process will continue this summer when recent personnel decisions have the potential to knock a few of Mike Tannenbaum’s recent draft picks off the final 53 man roster. Who should be concerned?


    Mark Sanchez – 2009 – 1st Round Pick - Yes, Sanchez. We mentioned after the draft the potential of him being cut or traded in August and it shouldn’t surprise anybody if that happens. If Geno Smith looks competent this summer and David Garrard is healthy, Sanchez isn’t suiting up for this team week 1. They will eat the contract if necessary to avoid having the quarterback room too crowded once the regular season starts.

    Joe McKnight – 2010 – 4th Round Pick - The Mike Goodson signing was really a nail in the coffin for McKnight and adding Chris Ivory just bumped him further down the depth chart. People get too hung up on McKnight’s value as a kick returner. Like many before him, McKnight was productive in Mike Westhoff’s system (Jonathan Carter, Chad Morton, Jerricho Cotchery, Brad Smith). Go back and watch some of McKnight’s big returns, there isn’t a ton of people he is making miss. Kick returner is always replaceable and as a running back, McKnight is well behind Ivory, Goodson and even Bilal Powell.

    Vladimir Ducasse – 2010 2nd Round Pick - After Matt Slauson and Brandon Moore left in free agency, Ducasse sat atop the Jets depth chart at Guard. Since then? They’ve signed Willie Colon, and Stephen Peterman, drafted Brian Winters and William Campbell and mentioned the possibility of another draft pick, Oday Aboushi playing Guard. You think they have confidence in Ducasse?

    A few other Tannenbaum selections aren’t likely in danger of missing the final 53 but could be bumped down the depth chart without strong summers.

    Kyle Wilson – 2010 1st Round Pick - Already knocked out of a starting job by this year’s first round Dee Milliner. Wilson should be the team’s nickel back but with talented options behind him in Aaron Berry and Darrin Walls, if he struggles in the pre-season or early in the year, he could have his role further minimized.

    Kenrick Ellis – 2011 3rd Round Pick - Ellis is built to be the best pure nose tackle on the roster but with the variety of personnel options the Jets have, particularly with Sheldon Richardson and Antonio Garay now in the fold, Ellis could see a limited amount of weekly reps. He has immense physical potential but still needs to show an ability to stay healthy and consistent.

    Stephen Hill – 2012 2nd Round Pick - We took a closer look at Hill right here and despite having unique physical traits to the rest of the team’s currently thin wide receiver depth chart, you get the sense Marty Morhinweg will only be able to stomach so many dropped passes before marginalizing Hill. I expect Hill to be a productive member of the team’s receiving core but the team could have limited patience if he starts the season slow.

    http://turnonthejets.com/2013/05/new...-nfl-final-53/

    Great site for Jets news and analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yayankee View Post
    New York Jets GM John Idzik hasn’t hesitated to put his imprint on the team. Part of that process will continue this summer when recent personnel decisions have the potential to knock a few of Mike Tannenbaum’s recent draft picks off the final 53 man roster. Who should be concerned?


    Mark Sanchez – 2009 – 1st Round Pick - Yes, Sanchez. We mentioned after the draft the potential of him being cut or traded in August and it shouldn’t surprise anybody if that happens. If Geno Smith looks competent this summer and David Garrard is healthy, Sanchez isn’t suiting up for this team week 1. They will eat the contract if necessary to avoid having the quarterback room too crowded once the regular season starts.

    Joe McKnight – 2010 – 4th Round Pick - The Mike Goodson signing was really a nail in the coffin for McKnight and adding Chris Ivory just bumped him further down the depth chart. People get too hung up on McKnight’s value as a kick returner. Like many before him, McKnight was productive in Mike Westhoff’s system (Jonathan Carter, Chad Morton, Jerricho Cotchery, Brad Smith). Go back and watch some of McKnight’s big returns, there isn’t a ton of people he is making miss. Kick returner is always replaceable and as a running back, McKnight is well behind Ivory, Goodson and even Bilal Powell.

    Vladimir Ducasse – 2010 2nd Round Pick - After Matt Slauson and Brandon Moore left in free agency, Ducasse sat atop the Jets depth chart at Guard. Since then? They’ve signed Willie Colon, and Stephen Peterman, drafted Brian Winters and William Campbell and mentioned the possibility of another draft pick, Oday Aboushi playing Guard. You think they have confidence in Ducasse?

    A few other Tannenbaum selections aren’t likely in danger of missing the final 53 but could be bumped down the depth chart without strong summers.

    Kyle Wilson – 2010 1st Round Pick - Already knocked out of a starting job by this year’s first round Dee Milliner. Wilson should be the team’s nickel back but with talented options behind him in Aaron Berry and Darrin Walls, if he struggles in the pre-season or early in the year, he could have his role further minimized.

    Kenrick Ellis – 2011 3rd Round Pick - Ellis is built to be the best pure nose tackle on the roster but with the variety of personnel options the Jets have, particularly with Sheldon Richardson and Antonio Garay now in the fold, Ellis could see a limited amount of weekly reps. He has immense physical potential but still needs to show an ability to stay healthy and consistent.

    Stephen Hill – 2012 2nd Round Pick - We took a closer look at Hill right here and despite having unique physical traits to the rest of the team’s currently thin wide receiver depth chart, you get the sense Marty Morhinweg will only be able to stomach so many dropped passes before marginalizing Hill. I expect Hill to be a productive member of the team’s receiving core but the team could have limited patience if he starts the season slow.

    http://turnonthejets.com/2013/05/new...-nfl-final-53/

    Great site for Jets news and analysis.
    This is ridiculous...

    Not saying Tanny was a great drafter but this post is wrong.

    3 of the 6 (half) of the people you mention will surely be on the roster.

    Ellis, Hill and Wilson

    Ellis was hurt but when he played he flashed, Hill had a rough rookie year, he's almost certain to get better and Wilson is a solid nickel - if we got him the third round we would be happy with him. Certainly not great but not a bust either. Not all of your draft picks will be stars - sometimes when a 1st becomes a solid contributor you're happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fidelioion View Post
    This is ridiculous...

    Not saying Tanny was a great drafter but this post is wrong.

    3 of the 6 (half) of the people you mention will surely be on the roster.

    Ellis, Hill and Wilson

    Ellis was hurt but when he played he flashed, Hill had a rough rookie year, he's almost certain to get better and Wilson is a solid nickel - if we got him the third round we would be happy with him. Certainly not great but not a bust either. Not all of your draft picks will be stars - sometimes when a 1st becomes a solid contributor you're happy.
    +1 Ellis is needed as depth

    Hill is still being developed and could turn into a very good WR.

    Wilson has his role. He even played well IMO as the number 2 corner after Revis went down.

    But Sanchez, McKnight, and Ducasse? Sign me up if you want to get rid of them. There's only one that you could even remotely debate has talent out of the bunch and that is Joe McKnight as a KR. The only problem is, we could easily find a replacement for him and it's also not what he was drafted to be.

    We never hung on to Justin Miller once we found out he was a very good KR but absolutely sucked as a CB. I don't see any difference here.

    There's also some very good options at KR out on the market right now, namely Brad Smith. But not only was a great KR for us, but he was also our "jack of all trades, master of none". He did a lot of things well for us, especially in the seminole offense.

    So why not dump the guy who is a one trick pony and move on to a guy that we can get dirt cheap and helps the team in much more ways than one?

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    Rex-draft picks.

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    If you plan on bashing the OP at least read his entire post.. He said those three aren't in danger of missing the final roster but are in danger of less playing time. Read.

    Edit: also why does everyone keep saying Brad Smith and the Seminole offense? That was when Leon was back there because he was.. you know.. a Seminole. Brad Smith was the Tiger offense because he was.. you know.. a Tiger.
    Last edited by JETS2417; 05-14-2013 at 02:11 PM.

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    The only person on that list I expect to be gone by opening day is Ducasse.

    And maybe not even him.

    Ellis, Hill and Wilson are all 100% sure to be on the team and starting (at DT, WR and Nickelback).

    Sanchez is very unlikely to be cut.

    McKnight is the best KR in the NFL yardage-wise, he's not going to be cut (so some can stop the Neon Leon fantasies).

    Ducasse is a backup Lineman and huge dissapointment. He may be gone, the others will probably not be.

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    I knew that Ducasse pick was going to be terrible the minute it happened. Jets always pick up these "project guys."

    We're like the woman who always dates guys she wants to "fix."

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    Quote Originally Posted by yayankee View Post
    New York Jets GM John Idzik hasn’t hesitated to put his imprint on the team. Part of that process will continue this summer when recent personnel decisions have the potential to knock a few of Mike Tannenbaum’s recent draft picks off the final 53 man roster. Who should be concerned?


    Mark Sanchez – 2009 – 1st Round Pick - Yes, Sanchez. We mentioned after the draft the potential of him being cut or traded in August and it shouldn’t surprise anybody if that happens. If Geno Smith looks competent this summer and David Garrard is healthy, Sanchez isn’t suiting up for this team week 1. They will eat the contract if necessary to avoid having the quarterback room too crowded once the regular season starts.

    Joe McKnight – 2010 – 4th Round Pick - The Mike Goodson signing was really a nail in the coffin for McKnight and adding Chris Ivory just bumped him further down the depth chart. People get too hung up on McKnight’s value as a kick returner. Like many before him, McKnight was productive in Mike Westhoff’s system (Jonathan Carter, Chad Morton, Jerricho Cotchery, Brad Smith). Go back and watch some of McKnight’s big returns, there isn’t a ton of people he is making miss. Kick returner is always replaceable and as a running back, McKnight is well behind Ivory, Goodson and even Bilal Powell.

    Vladimir Ducasse – 2010 2nd Round Pick - After Matt Slauson and Brandon Moore left in free agency, Ducasse sat atop the Jets depth chart at Guard. Since then? They’ve signed Willie Colon, and Stephen Peterman, drafted Brian Winters and William Campbell and mentioned the possibility of another draft pick, Oday Aboushi playing Guard. You think they have confidence in Ducasse?

    A few other Tannenbaum selections aren’t likely in danger of missing the final 53 but could be bumped down the depth chart without strong summers.

    Kyle Wilson – 2010 1st Round Pick - Already knocked out of a starting job by this year’s first round Dee Milliner. Wilson should be the team’s nickel back but with talented options behind him in Aaron Berry and Darrin Walls, if he struggles in the pre-season or early in the year, he could have his role further minimized.

    Kenrick Ellis – 2011 3rd Round Pick - Ellis is built to be the best pure nose tackle on the roster but with the variety of personnel options the Jets have, particularly with Sheldon Richardson and Antonio Garay now in the fold, Ellis could see a limited amount of weekly reps. He has immense physical potential but still needs to show an ability to stay healthy and consistent.

    Stephen Hill – 2012 2nd Round Pick - We took a closer look at Hill right here and despite having unique physical traits to the rest of the team’s currently thin wide receiver depth chart, you get the sense Marty Morhinweg will only be able to stomach so many dropped passes before marginalizing Hill. I expect Hill to be a productive member of the team’s receiving core but the team could have limited patience if he starts the season slow.

    http://turnonthejets.com/2013/05/new...-nfl-final-53/

    Great site for Jets news and analysis.
    Borderline ridiculous. Neither Ellis, nor Wilson, nor Hill not getting cut.

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    Ellis is pretty good. Hill was a project from day 1.

    Wilson isn't a bad nickle.

    Dump.

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    I wouldn't be surprised if Ellis and Hill are the only ones on the roster in 2014.

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    Everyone in this thread:



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    How would you grade the Jets 2009 draft. They traded away multiple picks and only drafted three players Mark Shanchez, Matt Slauson and Shonn Greene.

    http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2...9-draft-class/

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    Quote Originally Posted by JETS2417 View Post
    Everyone in this thread:


    Bolded title - you should read.

    Should have named the thread something else.

    I opened it thinking the thread OP would follow his title. He didn't!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjetsb View Post
    Borderline ridiculous. Neither Ellis, nor Wilson, nor Hill not getting cut.
    The post at TurnontheJets.com says:

    A few other Tannenbaum selections aren’t likely in danger of missing the final 53 but could be bumped down the depth chart without strong summers.
    So since you agree with the blog's argument, why is the above blog post ridiculous?
    Last edited by TheBlairThomasFumble; 05-14-2013 at 04:29 PM.

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    A few other Tannenbaum selections aren’t likely in danger of missing the final 53 but could be bumped down the depth chart without strong summers.

    Kyle Wilson – 2010 1st Round Pick - Already knocked out of a starting job by this year’s first round Dee Milliner. Wilson should be the team’s nickel back but with talented options behind him in Aaron Berry and Darrin Walls, if he struggles in the pre-season or early in the year, he could have his role further minimized.

    Kenrick Ellis – 2011 3rd Round Pick - Ellis is built to be the best pure nose tackle on the roster but with the variety of personnel options the Jets have, particularly with Sheldon Richardson and Antonio Garay now in the fold, Ellis could see a limited amount of weekly reps. He has immense physical potential but still needs to show an ability to stay healthy and consistent.

    Stephen Hill – 2012 2nd Round Pick - We took a closer look at Hill right here and despite having unique physical traits to the rest of the team’s currently thin wide receiver depth chart, you get the sense Marty Morhinweg will only be able to stomach so many dropped passes before marginalizing Hill. I expect Hill to be a productive member of the team’s receiving core but the team could have limited patience if he starts the season slow.

    http://turnonthejets.com/2013/05/new...-nfl-final-53/

    Great site for Jets news and analysis.
    For those who struggle with reading comprehension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlairThomasFumble View Post
    For those who struggle with reading comprehension.
    So you don't think it's borderline ridiculous to imply Hill would get bumped down the depth chart (even though we didn't draft a WR high), or that Wilson will lose his starting nickel spot (even though we didn't use a high draft pick to replace him) or that Kenrick Ellis will become a "backup's backup", since that's what it would take for him to get bumped down the list?

    Just cuz some guy misinterpreted that they're getting cut doesn't make the original post any more realistic . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott dierking II View Post
    Rex-draft picks.


    Thank god you are neither in charge of the draft OR the head coach.

    What did you say your NFL job was again?

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    A) Everyone read, don't blame the title; actually read before commenting

    B) The OP is reposting an article... so idk why people are calling HIM crazy

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    Good read, Thanks to the OP for posting

    Ducasse is gone (sooner the better) Sanchez and McKnight will be competing in camp for a roster spot and Wilson, Ellis and Hill are competing for starting roles

    Competition has been the word since Idzik was hired just 4 months ago

    Works for me 4 more

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCCH View Post
    So you don't think it's borderline ridiculous to imply Hill would get bumped down the depth chart (even though we didn't draft a WR high), or that Wilson will lose his starting nickel spot (even though we didn't use a high draft pick to replace him) or that Kenrick Ellis will become a "backup's backup", since that's what it would take for him to get bumped down the list?

    Just cuz some guy misinterpreted that they're getting cut doesn't make the original post any more realistic . . .
    People need to read carefully before they post "dump," don't you think?

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