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Thread: Cimini: Sunday notes: Idzik's first two blemishes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinny Testaverde's Niece View Post
    Sure, which never got mentioned until after something happened. You know if he had heard anything remotely about 'attitude and character issues' it would have been all the media. This sounds totally fabricated from whole cloth.

    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    Pre NFL Draft writeup to backup what Cimini wrote...


    Once called the "future of the team" by coach Mike Sherman, Goodson left the university after his junior year under mysterious circumstances. The talented running back could possibly shift to wide receiver at the next level, but injuries and problems with the coaching staff caused the player and team to part ways quietly. No announcement was made of his decision to apply for the 2009 NFL Draft, as he just showed up on the list of players who were leaving school early in January.

    At his season-ending press conference, Aggies coach Mike Sherman hardly wanted to discuss why Goodson wouldn't be back, and why a year ago Sherman had said he wanted to build the offense around Goodson. "We wanted to, but we didn't," said Sherman, whose first team finished 4-8. "We tried to, but it just didn't happen." Sherman said in December that he didn't expect the junior tailback to return to the Aggies for his senior season. The coach wouldn't elaborate but said it was because of a "combination of things."


    Goodson was a finalist for the 2005 Houston Touchdown Club Offensive Player of the Year Award. The Klein High School running back was named to Dave Campbell's Texas Football Magazine Super Team and was rated the third-best prospect in the nation by Super Prep. He was named first-team All-District 14-5A and honorable mention All-State as a senior, receiving the same honors as a running back and return specialist during his junior season.

    Goodson rushed for 973 yards on only 99 carries (9.8 avg) as a senior, playing in the U.S. Army All-American Game after his final campaign. As a junior, he accounted for more than 1,800 yards, including 1,152 yards on 101 rushing attempts (11.4 avg) and 14 touchdowns. He also returned two punts (65 and 57 yards) and two kicks (96 and 86 yards) for touchdowns that season.
    In 2006, Goodson enrolled at Texas A&M, where he was selected the Big 12 Conference Freshman of the Year by the Austin American-Statesman. He also garnered All-Big 12 honorable mention, as he led the team in rushing with 847 yards and four touchdowns on 127 carries (6.7 avg), despite starting just one game. He also grabbed 17 passes for 113 yards (6.6 avg) in 13 contests. In the Holiday Bowl vs. California, he gained 62 yards on the ground before he was sidelined by a left knee injury.

    Goodson started six of the 13 contests he appeared in during his sophomore campaign. Part of a three-member running back committee, he raced for 711 yards and four scores on 153 carries (4.6 avg). He finished second on the team with 361 yards and four touchdowns on 36 receptions (10.0 avg), proving to be more than a capable receiver when flexed out wide. However, he missed a practice before the Oklahoma game and the coaches did not let him play in the first half.

    Goodson's production continued to regress in 2008. He was limited to six carries vs. New Mexico after spraining his right knee and eventually sat out two other contests. He finished the season with 406 yards and five touchdowns on 94 carries, but gained only 74 yards and one touchdown in his last five contests. He continued to excel as a receiver, though, catching 37 passes for 386 yards (10.4 avg) and three scores.

    Football Sense: Goodson seems to have good field vision, but tends to lose focus quite a bit. He struggles with a complicated playbook and has had issues with the last two coaching staffs. He has impressive athletic ability, but must show that his concentration lapses are just a product of youth. GRADE: 5.0

    Character: Goodson left school early and the coaching staff seemed relieved by his decision. He has had problems with both of his head coaches and is perceived as a player that is not willing to conform, raising some red flags that will affect his overall draft stock. GRADE: 4.5

    Competitiveness: Goodson needs to be involved in the action, as he does not do the little extras when his number is not called. The previous staff wanted to use him on special teams, but he refused to handle that assignment. He is the type of player that needs structure and with his statistics regressing each year, a team that wants him will draft him on athleticism and not on production. GRADE: 5.0

    Work Habits: Goodson added 20 pounds of bulk to his frame and maintained his overall quickness, but you can see with his frame that lifting is not one of his favorite offseason activities. He has had injury problems, but there is more concern that he will not play with pain. GRADE: 5.0

    Compares To: JERIOUS NORWOOD, Atlanta -- Goodson might be better served moving to the receiving unit, where his speed and burst can be better utilized. He is not the most durable tailback and certainly not the strongest. He has had issues with two coaching staffs and bolted the team to test his wares in the NFL, but he does not appear to be anything more than a third-down option. His lack of desire to play on special teams is not going to see him embraced by his next coach.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...orical/1128771
    Negatives: Lacks the bulk to be an every-down back. Marginal leg drive for short-yardage situations. Undeniable athleticism, but Goodson's production dropped in each of his three seasons with the Aggies -- and it can't be blamed on just touches as his yards per carry also dropped each year. Legitimate intangible red flags regarding his struggles to coexist with former Texas A&M head coach R.C. Slocum and his staff, as well as current head coach Mike Sherman and his staff, especially considering that Sherman publicly touted Goodson as the player the offense would be centered around when he took the position. Scouts will also question Goodson's toughness after he missed time with sprains in his neck, groin and right knee since last spring.

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/profil...odson?id=80644
    Last edited by C Mart; 05-19-2013 at 11:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    Oh God. He brought in two players that busted before June, and drafted someone that 32 teams passed on, some of them more than once.

    Idzik may turn out to be a good GM. The article merely points out that he's off to a rough start. You can't argue with that.

    SAR I
    Yes, and the team that picked 34th picked someone who 33 teams passed on, and so on and so on. Your point is beyond obtuse -- a kindergartner could see the failed logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    Oh God. He brought in two players that busted before June, and drafted someone that 32 teams passed on, some of them more than once.

    Idzik may turn out to be a good GM. The article merely points out that he's off to a rough start. You can't argue with that.

    SAR I
    So we should draft our players based on the opinion of other teams?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    Oh God. He brought in two players that busted before June, and drafted someone that 32 teams passed on, some of them more than once.

    Idzik may turn out to be a good GM. The article merely points out that he's off to a rough start. You can't argue with that.

    SAR I
    OK, give us the names of players that the Jets could have picked who weren't passed up by 32 teams.

    Really smart observation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    All indications show Idzik is in over his head, just like many said he was.

    Did that real GM join the team yet? Or has the circus scared him off too?

    SAR I
    SAR I hope you know you're a ***** boy. Good thing you don't live in the hood or your ass wouldve been grown a long time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NuJurzy87 View Post
    SAR I hope you know you're a ***** boy. Good thing you don't live in the hood or your ass wouldve been grown a long time ago.
    Were you calling SAR a Fat Ass??

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    Quote Originally Posted by david1023 View Post
    You also can't argue with the fact the losing Garrard and Goodson barely puts a dent on the team. One guy is retiring and the other is a stupid JAG. Are they that irreplacable?
    We said we wanted a veteran QB to push Sanchez and step in if needed. We have not achieved that goal.

    We said we needed a pass-catching RB to replace LT's production. We have not achieved that goal.

    We did not draft or secure a pass-catching TE.

    We are committing to the WCO with worse weapons than last year. It's unacceptable.

    SAR I

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    We said we wanted a veteran QB to push Sanchez and step in if needed. We have not achieved that goal.

    We said we needed a pass-catching RB to replace LT's production. We have not achieved that goal.

    SAR I
    Forget it, that ship has sailed. Sanchez is a 4th year veteran. He's completely shot.

    Also, we need to replace LT's production? What? LT was terrible. His value was vastly overrated to this team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    We said we wanted a veteran QB to push Sanchez and step in if needed. We have not achieved that goal.

    We said we needed a pass-catching RB to replace LT's production. We have not achieved that goal.

    We did not draft or secure a pass-catching TE.

    We are committing to the WCO with worse weapons than last year. It's unacceptable.

    SAR I
    Rebuilding a team ruined by Tannenbaum, Rex and yes, fuuck-face Mark Sanchez will take more than one off season. You know that.
    Last edited by Dcat; 05-19-2013 at 11:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Blast View Post
    Perhaps.

    Personally, I liked the signing but I couldn't help wondering why he was bouncing from team to team. Sometimes it doesn't mean anything, but other times its an indication of an underlying problem which may or may not be public knowledge.

    The team had little choice but to make some of these risk vs reward type signings in order to attempt to put a competive team on the field. I don't fault Idzik at all.
    He was on the Panthers his first 3 years, last year with the Raiders and now with the Jets. Calling it 'bouncing' from team to team is a tad excessive, many players have similar careers. But basically I agree with you. Sounds like Idzik was aware and got some insurance with Ivory, same as with Garrard/Smith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinny Testaverde's Niece View Post
    He was on the Panthers his first 3 years, last year with the Raiders and now with the Jets. Calling it 'bouncing' from team to team is a tad excessive, many players have similar careers. But basically I agree with you. Sounds like Idzik was aware and got some insurance with Ivory, same as with Garrard/Smith.
    plus in Carolina he was behind a pair of starters: D'Angelo Williams ($45 million) and Stewart (also a big contract). That had a lot to do with his departure to Oakland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    We said we wanted a veteran QB to push Sanchez and step in if needed. We have not achieved that goal.

    We said we needed a pass-catching RB to replace LT's production. We have not achieved that goal.

    We did not draft or secure a pass-catching TE.

    We are committing to the WCO with worse weapons than last year. It's unacceptable.

    SAR I
    I was completely against the Garrard signing. I thought it was way too early in the off season and that proved true as we saw Hasselback, Kolb, Flynn, Palmer, etc all change teams.

    But in retrospect, we didn't have the funds to afford ANY of those guys. I give Idzik credit for trying to get the biggest bang for his buck.

    I read Jason's article about how the Jets were never in cap hell and I have to politely disagree. We don't have a QB and there were plenty available and we didn't have the funds to get anything other than a QB that had a high probability of not being an option. It was a cheap investment that could have had a huge return. It busted. Lets move on.

    Looking back at the draft, we were extremely fortunate to be able to get Geno at 39. Without him, this team would have nothing to offer the fans this year on offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    Negatives: Lacks the bulk to be an every-down back. Marginal leg drive for short-yardage situations. Undeniable athleticism, but Goodson's production dropped in each of his three seasons with the Aggies -- and it can't be blamed on just touches as his yards per carry also dropped each year. Legitimate intangible red flags regarding his struggles to coexist with former Texas A&M head coach R.C. Slocum and his staff, as well as current head coach Mike Sherman and his staff, especially considering that Sherman publicly touted Goodson as the player the offense would be centered around when he took the position. Scouts will also question Goodson's toughness after he missed time with sprains in his neck, groin and right knee since last spring.

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/profil...odson?id=80644
    That sounds like ancient history. FRom his college days. He's been in the league four years and there isn't anything about attitude or trouble with the law. I'm not defending him, just saying Cimini dredging this up now and claiming it was known is a bit of a stretch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    We said we wanted a veteran QB to push Sanchez and step in if needed. We have not achieved that goal.

    We said we needed a pass-catching RB to replace LT's production. We have not achieved that goal.

    We did not draft or secure a pass-catching TE.

    We are committing to the WCO with worse weapons than last year. It's unacceptable.

    SAR I
    Stop with the 'we' already. You are not royalty (except in your own head).

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    "Rough start"? Let's not go overboard...A couple of low level decisions have backfired..It happens all over the league..However Idzik, unlike many here want to portray him, can't walk on water..
    Forget what he attempted to do. It doesn't matter.

    Right now, we a) don't have a legitimate vet QB to "push Mark Sanchez" as Ryan and Johnson committed and b) don't have a #2 RB who can catch the ball and replace all those first downs that LT's departure took away from us in 2011.

    We lost a HOF CB and replaced him with a rookie.

    We took a flyer on a questionable QB prospect who is another rookie.

    We did not replace the pass-catching TE.

    Some West Coast Offense this is going to be.

    Saying that Idzik tried to make the right moves with Garrard and Goodson doesn't matter on opening day when we boo the offense off the field having produced 2 first downs. He now had better wheel and deal, better find a legit vet QB, legit receiving RB, and a pass-catching TE. And that's just for starters, that just gets us back to scratch from last year when we were the offensive joke of the league.

    SAR I

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    Quote Originally Posted by McGinley View Post
    u wot m8
    McBonics at it again.

    SAR I

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinny Testaverde's Niece View Post
    He was on the Panthers his first 3 years, last year with the Raiders and now with the Jets. Calling it 'bouncing' from team to team is a tad excessive, many players have similar careers.
    You're right. My bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vinny Testaverde's Niece View Post
    But basically I agree with you. Sounds like Idzik was aware and got some insurance with Ivory, same as with Garrard/Smith.

    I feel the reverse was the case: I think Goodson would have been Ivory's insurance (even though Goodson joined the team first). But maybe that's just semantics. I would have been far more upset if this had happened with Ivory. He is the guy who may have the best chance to be a breakout player this season. I have high hopes for him.

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    There will be no wheeling and dealing. We will pick up whoever is put out to pasture by other teams during training camp. In order to rebuild, You have to suck. Enjoy your overpriced seats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonhomme Richard View Post
    Forget it, that ship has sailed. Sanchez is a 4th year veteran. He's completely shot.

    Also, we need to replace LT's production? What? LT was terrible. His value was vastly overrated to this team.
    Even if Geno starts, we have no veteran behind him who can function. Sanchez would be gone, we'd have Simms and McElroy. Say what you want about Mark, but the guy was durable, Pennington would have been in a home if he had to face the punishment that Mark routinely brushes off. We can only hope that Smith is durable.

    LT was great in our best season and the first half of the next season before he fell apart due to age. Look at his numbers, look at his first downs and his completions, we haven't replaced that. Forget LT if that name gets in your craw; focus on the fact that we were the only NFL offense last season without a pass-catching outlet RB. How many dump-offs in the flat might have kept drives alive and improved our QB's completion percentage if we had a guy who could catch back there? Tons.

    SAR I

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    Forget what he attempted to do. It doesn't matter.

    Right now, we a) don't have a legitimate vet QB to "push Mark Sanchez" as Ryan and Johnson committed and b) don't have a #2 RB who can catch the ball and replace all those first downs that LT's departure took away from us in 2011.

    We lost a HOF CB and replaced him with a rookie.

    We took a flyer on a questionable QB prospect who is another rookie.

    We did not replace the pass-catching TE.

    Some West Coast Offense this is going to be.

    Saying that Idzik tried to make the right moves with Garrard and Goodson doesn't matter on opening day when we boo the offense off the field having produced 2 first downs. He now had better wheel and deal, better find a legit vet QB, legit receiving RB, and a pass-catching TE. And that's just for starters, that just gets us back to scratch from last year when we were the offensive joke of the league.

    SAR I
    It's year 1 of a total offensive rebuild but for Brick and Mangold. If you are implying you expected it to be resolved in a single off-season, then you are delusional or just using the setbacks as convenient tools to continue your agenda. This will be a several year process. You know that.

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