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    Great ESPN article on Jets draft

    There's a great piece on ESPN insider on the jets draft. titles 'why joe nameth is wrong. drafting geno smith was anything but a mistake'.

    makes 5 main points:

    1) jets maximized chance to compete now by improving defense in draft;

    2) jets maximized draft board value, didn't reach for offensive skill players;

    3) jets figured the wrs they have, when healthy, are better than what they could have drafted;

    4) taking geno in the 2nd round maximizes cost/benefits of qb risk;

    5) taking geno in 2nd round doesn't prevent them, salary cap wise, from drafting another qb next year.

    very level-headed, reasoned article, defending idzik's draft and the decision to take geno.

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    nice. thanks for the synopsis. I take it, it's not a Cimini article?

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    Taking Geno in the 2nd round was brilliant. He gets 16 games to show what hes got and then we re-evaluate the position before nexts years draft.

    We need to find a qb. Taking Geno was Idziks 1st shot at doing this.

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    If only there was a way to copy and paste articles on this forum....

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    Quote Originally Posted by augustiniak View Post
    There's a great piece on ESPN insider on the jets draft. titles 'why joe nameth is wrong. drafting geno smith was anything but a mistake'.

    makes 5 main points:

    1) jets maximized chance to compete now by improving defense in draft;

    2) jets maximized draft board value, didn't reach for offensive skill players;

    3) jets figured the wrs they have, when healthy, are better than what they could have drafted;

    4) taking geno in the 2nd round maximizes cost/benefits of qb risk;

    5) taking geno in 2nd round doesn't prevent them, salary cap wise, from drafting another qb next year.

    very level-headed, reasoned article, defending idzik's draft and the decision to take geno.
    1) The team probably got better along the D line, but what about the hole FS, CB?

    2) That may be true, but that doesn't help us on the field.

    3) Possible

    4) See number 2

    5) True.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revischrist View Post
    If only there was a way to copy and paste articles on this forum....
    Alt\Prtscn will snapshot the window as a picture or Win 7 has a cool little app called Snipping Tool. Not editable but it would work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revischrist View Post
    If only there was a way to copy and paste articles on this forum....
    LOL

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    Great thread

    Smart intelligent fan talk, from mostly smart intelligent Jets fans

    It's a rarity on this board

    A moment of silence as I relish this one rare moment for myself...

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    1) jets maximized chance to compete now by improving defense in draft;

    Agreed

    2) jets maximized draft board value, didn't reach for offensive skill players;

    Agreed

    3) jets figured the wrs they have, when healthy, are better than what they could have drafted;

    When healthy is a big if and I disagree overall with this. We have a weak receiving group overall.
    Holmes: injured, overrated, bad character, one step from a year suspension.
    Hill: Coming off a bad injury, still raw, suspect hands.
    Kerley: Good player but does not scare other teams.
    TE: We have none.


    4) taking geno in the 2nd round maximizes cost/benefits of qb risk;

    Agreed.

    5) taking geno in 2nd round doesn't prevent them, salary cap wise, from drafting another qb next year.

    This is a nice theory but it won't happen unless the Jets go 2-14 and have the top pick in the draft. If the Jets pick a QB next year Geno will be looked at as a wasted bust pick. Even if teams are not married to QBs financially in most cases they are by the nature of the position.

    very level-headed, reasoned article, defending idzik's draft and the decision to take geno.

    Picking Geno where they did was good value but he is their guy, they are not going to toss him next year for a high pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revischrist View Post
    If only there was a way to copy and paste articles on this forum....
    Could be a copy infringement thing since it is a paid site

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath View Post
    Taking Geno in the 2nd round was brilliant. He gets 16 games to show what hes got and then we re-evaluate the position before nexts years draft.

    We need to find a qb. Taking Geno was Idziks 1st shot at doing this.
    Lets hope Geno pans out because we aren't getting Teddy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    1) jets maximized chance to compete now by improving defense in draft;

    Agreed

    2) jets maximized draft board value, didn't reach for offensive skill players;

    Agreed

    3) jets figured the wrs they have, when healthy, are better than what they could have drafted;

    When healthy is a big if and I disagree overall with this. We have a weak receiving group overall.
    Holmes: injured, overrated, bad character, one step from a year suspension.
    Hill: Coming off a bad injury, still raw, suspect hands.
    Kerley: Good player but does not scare other teams.
    TE: We have none.

    4) taking geno in the 2nd round maximizes cost/benefits of qb risk;

    Agreed.

    5) taking geno in 2nd round doesn't prevent them, salary cap wise, from drafting another qb next year.

    This is a nice theory but it won't happen unless the Jets go 2-14 and have the top pick in the draft. If the Jets pick a QB next year Geno will be looked at as a wasted bust pick. Even if teams are not married to QBs financially in most cases they are by the nature of the position.

    very level-headed, reasoned article, defending idzik's draft and the decision to take geno.

    Picking Geno where they did was good value but he is their guy, they are not going to toss him next year for a high pick.
    "TE: We have none."
    Disagree. Hayden is going to have a breakout year. Wait and see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    This is a nice theory but it won't happen unless the Jets go 2-14 and have the top pick in the draft.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Life View Post
    Lets hope Geno pans out because we aren't getting Teddy
    If we are in the #1 slot overall for the draft next year, and we pick ANYONE who's name doesn't start with a "J" and end with an "adeveon", it will be a fail of epic proportions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenwichjetfan View Post
    If we are in the #1 slot overall for the draft next year, and we pick ANYONE who's name doesn't start with a "J" and end with an "adeveon", it will be a fail of epic proportions.
    How are we gonna have the #1 overall pic when GenoJet leads us to 13 wins this year......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    3) jets figured the wrs they have, when healthy, are better than what they could have drafted;

    When healthy is a big if and I disagree overall with this. We have a weak receiving group overall.
    Holmes: injured, overrated, bad character, one step from a year suspension.
    Hill: Coming off a bad injury, still raw, suspect hands.
    Kerley: Good player but does not scare other teams.
    TE: We have none.

    Beerfish, while what you say is true, it has nothing to do with the draft if you buy into Idzig's philosophy (which I do) of drafting BPA and buying FA for need. Now you might complain about not having the cap space to buy the needed FA's but that is on Tanny. This year we have to make bricks without straw and rely on FA question marks, and UFA hopes and dreams. Next year (as all good long suffering Jets fans know) will be better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianaJet View Post
    How are we gonna have the #1 overall pic when GenoJet leads us to 13 wins this year......
    I haven't the slightest idea. In fact, I don't know much about anything. But I do know that if we're sitting there and Jadaveon is an option that we don't exercise, I might curl up into a ball and self-combust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    1) jets maximized chance to compete now by improving defense in draft;

    Agreed

    2) jets maximized draft board value, didn't reach for offensive skill players;

    Agreed

    3) jets figured the wrs they have, when healthy, are better than what they could have drafted;

    When healthy is a big if and I disagree overall with this. We have a weak receiving group overall.
    Holmes: injured, overrated, bad character, one step from a year suspension.
    Hill: Coming off a bad injury, still raw, suspect hands.
    Kerley: Good player but does not scare other teams.
    TE: We have none.


    4) taking geno in the 2nd round maximizes cost/benefits of qb risk;

    Agreed.

    5) taking geno in 2nd round doesn't prevent them, salary cap wise, from drafting another qb next year.

    This is a nice theory but it won't happen unless the Jets go 2-14 and have the top pick in the draft. If the Jets pick a QB next year Geno will be looked at as a wasted bust pick. Even if teams are not married to QBs financially in most cases they are by the nature of the position.

    very level-headed, reasoned article, defending idzik's draft and the decision to take geno.

    Picking Geno where they did was good value but he is their guy, they are not going to toss him next year for a high pick.
    Nor should they! If Sucky got 4 or 5 years to do his thing, Geno deserves a few years too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetsNeedNewton View Post
    "TE: We have none."
    Disagree. Hayden is going to have a breakout year. Wait and see.
    I agree and Cumberland could also. Reuland is vastly underrated. The guy can catch short and intermediate passes and blocks pretty darn well. Hill's injury was NOT as bad as some seem to want to make it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    1) jets maximized chance to compete now by improving defense in draft;

    Agreed

    2) jets maximized draft board value, didn't reach for offensive skill players;

    Agreed

    3) jets figured the wrs they have, when healthy, are better than what they could have drafted;

    When healthy is a big if and I disagree overall with this. We have a weak receiving group overall.
    Holmes: injured, overrated, bad character, one step from a year suspension.
    Hill: Coming off a bad injury, still raw, suspect hands.
    Kerley: Good player but does not scare other teams.
    TE: We have none.


    4) taking geno in the 2nd round maximizes cost/benefits of qb risk;

    Agreed.

    5) taking geno in 2nd round doesn't prevent them, salary cap wise, from drafting another qb next year.

    This is a nice theory but it won't happen unless the Jets go 2-14 and have the top pick in the draft. If the Jets pick a QB next year Geno will be looked at as a wasted bust pick. Even if teams are not married to QBs financially in most cases they are by the nature of the position.

    very level-headed, reasoned article, defending idzik's draft and the decision to take geno.

    Picking Geno where they did was good value but he is their guy, they are not going to toss him next year for a high pick.

    agreed. we still need to pick up somebody's cuts at WR and TE, S, LB, but we are building our lines and that's where we win or lose. Trenches determines games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LIJetsFan View Post
    Beerfish, while what you say is true, it has nothing to do with the draft if you buy into Idzig's philosophy (which I do) of drafting BPA and buying FA for need. Now you might complain about not having the cap space to buy the needed FA's but that is on Tanny. This year we have to make bricks without straw and rely on FA question marks, and UFA hopes and dreams. Next year (as all good long suffering Jets fans know) will be better.
    I have no problem with the BPA if that was what the reasoning was in the article, the op said it was because they didn't think the WR in the draft were better than what they had. I take issue with that.

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