If I initiate an altercation by getting in your face at a bar and pestering the sh!t out of you for no reason that doesn't give you the lawful right to beat me to death. Note that I'm NOT implying that Martin was in the process of beating Zimmerman to the point of being mortally wounded. Zimmerman has a lawful defense premise if he reasonably believed his life was in danger while Martin was clocking him for being a busybody pain in the ass.
I agree, he COULD have not gotten involved and there were ways everyone would still be alive. Now, his poor choices left a kid dead who probably didnt deserve to die young and him in a world of legal trouble. This makes Z a fool.
HOWEVER, and this is what YOU GUYS DONT GET......in the state of Florida, if you legally carry and you are attacked and fear for your life, you HAVE the right to use deadly force.
YES this means unlike NY where you have to take a beating by law, in FL if someone jumps you and starts a fight, you can fire.
Z fired. He is NOT guilty and should be freed. I can understand you guys having a PROBLEM with the law itself, but he did not break any laws and your opinions are not important...sorry!
This case is about disproportionate responses (or a lack thereof depending on your perspective).
The prosecutor is arguing that Z's actions were disproportinate because Martin's conduct did not justify being met with deadly force.
The defense is arguing that Martin reacted disproprtinately to being followed / questioned and beat Zimmerman to the point he feared for his life.
Agreed. I sometimes carry, but one place I never carry is the dogpark. Why? Because god forbid another dog attacks mine, I might lose it and its possible. I don't want legal drama. Z is a fool for sure, but not a murderer imho
As far as the "excessive" force idea, well, thats a valid opinion but still an opinion. The stand your ground law allows that excessive force.
If M was really on top of him punching away, you cant blame Z for being pumped up, nervous about M possibly finding Z's pistol and turning it on him.
A good rule of thumb in life is to not physically assault anyone. Even when youre 17. The good old days are over
Zimmer who? LOL, that's hilarious.
Was playing to a tough crowd though.
Prosecutor at least laid out some evidence in an organized fashion with the usual hyperbole at various points. Most damning evidence? No Zimmerman blood anywhere on Martin's hands. And the Zimmerman injuries appear to have been slight... the result of a scuffle, not an all out fight. Score one for the prosecution. Minus one for the defense.
I still can't get over that Zimmerman's attorney decided it was a "smart idea" to tell a Knock-Knock joke.
I'm sure the Jurors were like "WTF?".
Oh and I'm wondering.....If Zimmerman never got out of his car to stalk Martin, would he be in this situation?
Here's another question :
If he did not have a gun, would he even leave the house to act out his "dirty-harry" fantasies?
(as you can tell, I'm not exactly sympathetic toward Zimmerman. lol. BTW, doesn't he have a criminal record of Domestic Abuse and Assaulting a Police officer?)
Last edited by Vin; 06-24-2013 at 11:50 PM.
Im not particularly sympathetic to Zimmerman either. Im pro- gun owner, but I also tend to be of the opinion that these kind of neighborhood watch type programs can attract wannabe cops, dirty harrys, etc. even though the whole stated goal is typically that when suspecting criminal activities, members are encouraged to contact authorities and not to intervene.
I haven't seen any mention of training that Zimmerman might have gotten to be "neighborhood watch" either. At least the Guardian Angels get/got training (and are unarmed).
None of Zimmerman's blood was found on Martin's hands or the sleeves of his sweatshirt.
The defense counsel was long and boring after the bad joke.
Improperly treated evidence (no bagging of the victims hands for example) means the Prosecution would be unable to prove beyodn areasonable doubt that evidence was not simply brushed off or washed away as Martin's body was transported and beyond.None of Zimmerman's blood was found on Martin's hands or the sleeves of his sweatshirt.
Prosecution was a clear victor in day 1, if the media can be believed, aye.The defense counsel was long and boring after the bad joke.