HIS story.... Only other person who can tell what happened is six-feet-under right now. "Dead Men Tell No Tales" as the saying goes.....
I don't think so.
That could be true but it can also be true that the Kid told him to leave him alone, he then tried to leave, Z grabbed him and *THEN* the "altercation" occurred.The whole case BEGINS the moment he returned from the store and there was some kind of confrontation. EVERYTHING before that is useless information. What happened during that altercation is the whole case and it seems to me the most likely scenario is Z asks M what he was doing, M gets pissed and attacks Z, Z fires.
Unfortunately, we will never know Martin's side of the story. Only Zimmerman's.
You're kidding me, right?Since there are no witnesses and one party is dead, there is no reason to think Z is fabricating anything.
So Mr. Zimmerman, he of the criminal record. He of the concealed weapon acting like a dirty-harry wannabe-cop. His word is apparently the gospel and should be taken as Truth then? oh boy....
It's not like he had ANY reason to lie since his ass was on the line. Oh nosiree bob....
I'm curious if they found any of Z's DNA on Martin's knuckles or something since Z had an apparent(according to him just telling his family doctor who took his word and did no x-rays) broken nose.His injuries and the lack of injuries on Martin are the strongest and maybe the ONLY pieces of real evidence and it all is consistent with Z's story
And anyway, I'm sure there was an altercation. Z's injuries are proof of that. But it's still not clear who started the altercation.
He did have a reason, though. He thought Trayvon "looked suspicious", then he called the non-emergency line to air his grievance about it. He probably then got tired of doing that and took the law into his own hands.I find it VERY hard to believe that a guy with a long, documented history of calling 911 while on crime watch duty would decide to walk up to some kid and blow him away in cold blood for no reason.
I venture to say that had he not had a gun in his possession, he wouldn't have even been doing any patrolling in his car searching for "bad guys". He'd probably still be home watching action movies and fantasizing about being the vigilante good guy shooting the bad guys with zero consequences.
I find it very easy to believe that Z never identified himself as a Cop or anything(because he couldn't since he wasn't) and therefore Martin was like "Who the hell is this guy following me and getting on my case just for being there?"I find it VERY easy to believe Martin didnt like this idiot questioning him on who he is and what hes doing there and taking a swing. Young punks swing at everthing. He didnt deserve to die but he was in the wrong state swinging at the wrong idiot
Yeah he definitely swung at the wrong idiot who probably grabbed him first but whatever. Everything we're both saying is just assumption. We'll never truly know what happened that night since the only one aside from Z that would know, is dead.
Don't know about murder. I don't think they have enough to convict him of that.
Last edited by Vin; 06-25-2013 at 07:41 PM.
Your making a big big deal of the fact that he had a gun on him which is typical for a NY er as I also grew up there and was taught that they were very much taboo. Once you live in a pro gun southern state, you begin to realize and appreciate them and see them as nothing move than a sporting goods item. I cant convince you of this obviously.....youd have to live it to learn it but your constant references to the gun as if he was a criminal for having one makes you sound very biased and incapable of fairness. The man had a permit to carry, as I do, as a million others do. Its NO BIG deal. It has nothing to do with the case even though you might be shocked to hear that.
The thing about Z having a "criminal record" well thats another thing thats kind of unfair. I was arrested when I was 18 for trespassing (unknowingly) onto someones land while hunting upstate, does that make me a scumbag? So he hit a cop....ok maybe the cop violated his civil rights or assaulted him. Not a wise thing to do, but it happens and in many cases good people have the "right" to hit a cop if the cop is abusive or working above the law. Who knows. Ok he had a restraining order or something with an ex lover....do we really need to go here? Passion can make anyone crazy. What else is left? armed robbery? NO child porn? NO animal torture? NO insurance fraud? NO identity theft? NO Because those would be violations where I would say YES he is a criminal. What he did anybody could have done if placed in the scenario he was placed in. My point here again is that just like the constant gun references that are waaaaaay out of proportion so are the accusations of him having a history of committing crimes. You are not being fair.
when it comes down to it, Z is probably no different than you or I. We both probably have flaws as human beings that are comperable to his, so why judge him? Im sure he kisses his mom, dad nieces and nephews and enjoys a sunday BBQ with his family just like the next guy. He is probably a very average guy when you look at the whole picture, but guys like you tend to dehumanize him.
Anyways, to me, you tend to believe the far less likely scenario becuase you dont like nosey wanna be cops who have legal guns on them. YES, he could have just shot him in cold blood out of the blue. Maybe that did happen. The guys who just flat out dont like zimmerman want to believe that but Ill tell you what:
If a gun was placed to your skull by someone who witnessed the whole thing, and you were asked to pick who was the aggressor was on that fateful night and if you didnt pick correctly that gun would fire, I GUARANTEE you would say it was Martin who attacked Zimmerman. You WANT to believe it wasnt, but I know there isnt anyone on this board who really believes that Z started the physical contact.
Even Martins mom and dad know it deep down, imho
Random chatter from small sources???? That's not the media.
A pic that WAS available when this happened. You know with the gang hand signs, gold teeth etc. They are all extinguished basically unless you show otherwise.
Last edited by southparkcpa; 06-25-2013 at 07:46 PM.