Great Prosecution witness the Medical Examiner he needed his notes. Dumb and Dumber!
The "quality" of any specific juror is an assortment of things, not simply their gender. While science may tell us women think differently than men, specificly with a more empathic emoition-sensative way, that factor alone would not make a juror particularly "good" or "bad".
But you know all this already. Satisfied, or will you ask me when i stopped beating my wife next?
I'm like Ralph Kiner on mushrooms sometimes. Yelling out in centerfield... now I'll have to eat my words there
Last edited by WestCoastOffensive; 07-05-2013 at 05:24 PM.
there should be "responsibility" taken on both sides of this. you seem to be letting Z off the hook because you don't like the way he is portrayed by the media.
it remains just a sad situation that should and could have been avoided.
It takes two side to form a jury. One would have thought the defense would have considered the histrionic nature of women and calculated that they should stack the jury with as many he-men as possible.
But I like your cat. You can hit it if you want to... I'd recommend it.
The fact that some folks think such an event is UNPOSSIBLE! and that others are milking this for the usual race-baiting divisiveness or political aims is only a side effect of why I WANT Z. to be not guilty in the evidence.
Of course Z. has same responsabillity, in exactly the same way a woman in short skirt walking down a dark street at 2:00 am alone bears "some responsabillity" if she is attacked. Neither did anything illegal, but they sure did something less than smart.
If Z walks, then maybe Trayvon did "jump and fight" (if that's what he did) the wrong guy on the wrong night. Because he lost his life, and the man who pulled the trigger had what was interpreted as a legal justification to end it.
If Z is convicted, then maybe he "stalked and followed" the wrong guy on the wrong night. Because he created a conflict that led to what he felt was the need to use the deadly force that ultimately put him behind bars.
Z may end up being innocent legally, but he's the root cause of the death of a young man. On the other side, while I personally understand some agitation on the part of Martin at being followed and questioned unnecessarily, he also might have been able to diffuse the situation by just avoiding Z altogether.
It is, as you well said, a sad situation that could have been avoided. And regardless of the outcome, racial tensions are sure to increase.
i think its perfectly possible M. acted first. but wouldn't that be M standing his ground in a situation in which he felt threatened?? (stupid law IMO that leaves way to much to interpretation. but that's another topic I will not discuss). you gripe is with the media.
Z was a gun carrying adult so forgive me if I hold him to a higher standard then a wild teenager. wanting him to be not guilty of murder 2 i understand. but wanting him to be seen as innocent because of your disdain for the media and politics is why the problem (race baiting, media sensationalism, Lib vs Con ect) will never be fixed. the facts get thrown out of the window and instead of seeing it for what it is you seem to just have taken a side because your angry adding to the fire.
both had a part in this and it ended badly and from reading post here and everywhere else it seems the fallout is even worse.
Bollocks. Carrying a weapon is no more illegal than wearing a short skirt.The levels of responsibility are on other sides of the galaxy considering Z was carrying a weapon.
Also 100% legal.add in the fact Z wasn't simply walking down the street he got out of his vehicle.
Only to those who are hypocritical, and choose to blame the victim in this case for defending himself.that analogy was Terrible.
I get it, alot of folks think the very act of owning or carrying a firearm is grounds for life in prison.
How generous of you, given thats the only outcome the evidence supports at this time.i think its perfectly possible M. acted first.
No.but wouldn't that be M standing his ground in a situation in which he felt threatened??
If Z. had decked him, then yes.
You don't get to "stand your ground" when the person you're standing against hasn't touched you or done anything illegal, nor made any threat.
Following someone on a public street is 100% legal, remember.
Decking the guy who followed you isn't.
Bias, pure and simple. The Law doesn;t change re: initiating violence simply because one is packing heat.Z was a gun carrying adult so forgive me if I hold him to a higher standard then a wild teenager.
I want him to be found not guilty because the veidence doesn't support guilt and I think M. did exactly what Z. claims, decided to kick some cracker ass that night like I think he'd probably done before.but wanting him to be seen as innocent because
The fact it spits in the eye of MSNCB's shills and Rev. Sharpton is simply a wonderful bonus.
Only M.'s "part" was illegal.both had a part in this and it ended badly and from reading post here and everywhere else it seems the fallout is even worse.
Which is what the jury should come to decide.
Your spinning what I said. Considering the Sgt. Is a real rank in the USMC. I believe whole hardly in the 2nd amendment. I'm also speaking from the perspective of a man who's shot to kill on more then one occasion. Owning/carrying a weapon does mean you have a higher level of responsibility. Especially when carrying
And your referring to the law of self defense not standing your ground. Standing your ground gives you the ability to preventively go on the offensive when you feel in danger
I'm done with this. and your analogy was TERRIBLE!!!!!
Last edited by SgtAshton; 07-05-2013 at 09:39 PM.
You are walking in a neighborhood, where you are unknown, most likely a deed controlled community where most people know each other. A night watchman asks you your business. Why not just say..im going to XYZ...
Had Martin behaved in a manner more civilly, none of this happens.
I would agree if that was indeed the scenario....However we only have Zimmerman's word of what was said......
I could reasonably infer that Zimmerman based on his words before hand saying these FN punks and *******s always get away and calling Martin a suspect may have not been so cordial when confronting Martin.....