Lots of things could have happened. He could have hunted this kid down, he may have shot him in the back if the kid didn't turn around. Perhaps confronted with shooting the kid face to face he lost his balance? Not everyone can shoot an unarmed person when actually confronted. If that's the case it's premeditated murder. It could have been self defense and it could have been something in between.
Being a "Thug" doesn't give someone the right to hunt them down and shoot them just because they were a "Thug". An unarmed kid was shoot to death by a guy who hunted him with a gun. The news media turned this into something a little crazy. Maybe in a courtroom the jury with the help of the Judge and the attorneys will figure this thing out? Probably not but its worth a shot in the dark.
Last edited by Winstonbiggs; 06-12-2013 at 09:37 AM.
Oh please, a punk kid casing the neighborhood dies by misadventure and the case was going to be dropped until Det. 9th Class B. Hussein Schultz who knows nothing about Benghazi IRS F&F etc inserts himself in the case, decides the kid is a hypothetical son, and hey presto theres a 2nd degree murder charge.
Since this cuts decidedly both ways a jury deciding on the evidence makes a lot of sense. I'm pretty sure the President isn't going to present DNA samples of his relationship to Martin in court. Hopefully the Judge will bar that bit of evidence.
Last edited by Winstonbiggs; 06-12-2013 at 11:05 AM.
If you're going to be a responsible gun owner and actually carry in the public square you better act responsibly. This guy was a self proclaimed vigilante carrying a weapon and following someone. We have police for a reason.
Here's a hypothetical, knowing he got out to follow lets suppose he confronted Martin, Martin takes his gun and shoots Zimmerman and claims self defense. Should he walk without charges, or a trial?
Last edited by Winstonbiggs; 06-12-2013 at 11:51 AM.
1. Leaves no option that Self-Defense was possible here. Only "manslaughter or pre-meditated".
2. Stress placed on "Unarmed" despite Martin being considerable younger, stronger and larger than Zimmerman. Technically, Mike Tyson could be "unarmed" too, it does not directly equate to "defenseless" which is the point attempting to be made.
3. "Gunned Down", as if it were uncontested and as if Zimmerman shot Martin unopposed from 5 paces away, gangland style. Ignores (specificly) that the gunshot was during the course of an intimate physical struggle.
4. Stress on "following him" implying to follow someone on a public street was itself a crime. Similar in intent to the commonly made implication that Zommerman speaking to martin was also a crime in some way, despite it not being so.
Most responsible gun owners would claim a legitimate self-defense case was and is acting responsibly.If you're going to be a responsible gun owner and actually carry in the public square you better act responsibly.
Lets be clear here Winston, you've already found Zimmerman guilty.
You just want a "fair" trial to back up your prejudice.
It could, of course, be used as evidence of pre-meditated murder I suppose....but there'd have to be a hell of alot of other evidence to support that outcome.
IMO there is no chance of a conviction involving pre-meditation outside of a corrupt jury, judge or trial.
Last edited by Winstonbiggs; 06-12-2013 at 02:37 PM.
Works both ways though, intent could also be argued that he was doing what a Neighborhood Watchman does, keeping an eye on things depsite a civvie 911 operator's perhaps ill informed suggestion to stop following the possible perpetrator he was calling to report (thus surely leading to said possible perp. walking away uncontested by the cops arriving ten-15 minutes later).
Oh, obviously on the "wish he'd not been there". As for eating his way through this, I can't even fathom the level of pressure this guy lives under now. Better him than me, I'm already fat.Who knows, I bet Zimmerman wished he would of never pretended to be the neighborhood watch, he looks like he is trying to eat his way out of this too.
Martin walked around,in a fairly aggressive outfit, in a manner not conducive to peaceful behaviour and when confronted was aggressive towards Zimmerman. He has some responsibility here and unfortunately, HIS BEHAVIOR aided in his death.
In NO way am I defending Zimmerman. He should have let Martin go and wait for police.
Last edited by southparkcpa; 06-12-2013 at 02:54 PM.
That's it, that's the story and it's not a happy story. I don't see why race is even a part of it other than newspapers have to be sold.
If I am approached or have 2 youths walking towards me in the dark, wearing hoodies in the summer, and I am alone, my sensory "preservation" mode goes on. Whether I am in Beverly Hills or China Town.