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    stockpiling talent, not filling in needs

    Here is an Idzig/Ryan friendly article that's worth a read. I hope the author is right and we continue to draft BPA and go FA for need. With $50M in cap space next year, 2014 is going to be a great moment in time for the Jets.



    http://turnonthejets.com/2013/06/new...on/#more-14942

    When the Jets selected Missouri defensive tackle Sheldon Richardson with the 13th overall pick they acquired from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for Darrelle Revis, the fan base was quite shocked. The Jets had taken defensive linemen with their first and third round picks in 2011 (Muhammad Wilkerson and Kenrick Ellis) and also with their first round pick in 2012 (Quinton Coples). With so much talent accumulated upfront now, Richardson’s development along with the rest of the interior line could possibly be the most vital aspect to the team’s future success on defense.


    When a team has holes at almost every position, an intelligent front office selects unique, often freakish talents. Often the biggest mistake teams make when drafting is selecting players and forcing them into a system, rather than selecting players and building a system that puts them in a position to succeed. This is possibly Rex Ryan’s best coaching attribute, finding a niche for each player on the roster (at least on defense). Remember when Drew Coleman was awful in coverage, but was lethal as a blitzer off the edge? How about when Eric Smith couldn’t do much right except lineup the hit stick on Wes Welker running those underneath routes? Was Darrelle Revis the best defensive back in the league before Rex put him on an island with every other team’s number one wide receiver? (The answer is no, Revis was a great corner but became the best under Rex).

    Overall, my point is that Sheldon Richardson was drafted to come in and get after the quarterback from the interior defensive line. High amounts of edge rushers are selected early each year, with a very small percentage of them becoming Pro Bowl caliber players. The league has adjusted to fast, elusive edge rushers by developing more athletic offensive tackles. The most disruptive defensive player in the entire league last year was easily JJ Watt, an interior defensive linemen who seems to have an impact on every play. While the Jets fortunately have a comparable, young stud in Muhammad Wilkerson, how many teams have two disruptive talents on the interior of their D-line? Not many.

    John Idzik and Rex Ryan are attempting to bring an evolution of defensive play that a majority of the league has not attempted yet: Build a roster with elite defensive players on the inside, helping the “middle class” (Our very own Joe Caporoso’s term) players on the back end and on the outside. The truth is the Jets strengths on defense don’t include safety or outside linebacker. Recent addition Antwan Barnes has posted a double digit sack season, but isn’t regarded as an elite talent commanding double teams. Calvin Pace can help stop the run, that’s about it. Dawan Landry and whoever else wins the other starting safety spot will need a lot of help from top corner Antonio Cromartie and rookie Dee Milliner. With an elite pass rush (in a passing league) directly in the face of the quarterback, the play on the back end of the defense elevates.

    There are three different types of defensive linemen in the NFL. First, you have a prototypical run stuffer, such as Mike DeVito, who held the edge well and wrapped up running backs, but rarely ever got a push against the pass. Second, there is elusive defensive tackles, much what Richardson is projected to be. While these players are often a disastrous assignment for centers and guards to pass protect against, they often get swallowed against the run. Third, there are complete players like JJ Watt and Muhammad Wilkerson. Both of these guys are big, fast, and impossible to block one on one against both the run and the pass.

    Having a player like Wilkerson on your defensive line allows you to take a gamble on a player like Richardson, who might struggle against the run as a rookie. More importantly is how well Quinton Coples adjusts his reps at outside linebacker and the team’s “rush” position. Coples was surprisingly strong against the run as a rookie playing with his hand in the dirt on the inside. If Coples shows he can hold his own on the edge, the Jets are once again carving individual niches for each player in their defense. Wilkerson will demand double teams early and often, often opening one on one match ups for a speedy edge rusher in Antwan Barnes.

    Although it’s been a slow rebuild with limited draft picks until this past April, the strength of the Jets defense has completely turned outside in. John Idzik and Rex Ryan have a blueprint to develop an elite defense in the long run, not just a one year wonder. With $50 million in potential cap space opening up next offseason, the Jets didn’t need to reach for a safety or outside linebacker. The new regime in place believes in stockpiling talent, not filling in needs. Team’s that load up on talent are often capable of covering up their blemishes, giving the Jets defense a potentially very, very bright future.

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    This article speaks well of the Jets strengths. No doubt they will be a force up front.

    But it doesn't state the very obvious needs in the secondary now. FS is a sore spot. I hope they can sign a decent FA before the season starts to cover deep plays over the middle of the field.

    I also believe they need at least one more decent even stopgap type OLB.

    If they do those things, and the health of the defense holds up (because the defense is not especially deep except on the DL) the defense could be great.

    But where Idzik is not a guy that will reach for instant solutions, and the pickings in late FA may be slim, they may not be able to fill that hole.

    All in all, as the offense is still in very obvious rebuilding mode, the defense will determine the success/failure of the 2013 season. If they can do what they've done in the past, (limits opportunities for opposing offense, generate turnovers, 3 and outs, etc.) the offense will be in the best position to succeed.

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    I think the Jets are filling a need. The Giants have won the big games against the Pats by being able to pressure Brady without blitzing. the Jets have been much more successful containing Brady without blitzing.

    The NFL is a passing league. Being able to pressure the QB with 4 players and put lots of players in coverage is built on all the rule changes. If you can't be physical with skill players you need to get in their faces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainejet View Post
    This article speaks well of the Jets strengths. No doubt they will be a force up front.

    But it doesn't state the very obvious needs in the secondary now. FS is a sore spot. I hope they can sign a decent FA before the season starts to cover deep plays over the middle of the field.

    I also believe they need at least one more decent even stopgap type OLB.

    If they do those things, and the health of the defense holds up (because the defense is not especially deep except on the DL) the defense could be great.

    But where Idzik is not a guy that will reach for instant solutions, and the pickings in late FA may be slim, they may not be able to fill that hole.

    All in all, as the offense is still in very obvious rebuilding mode, the defense will determine the success/failure of the 2013 season. If they can do what they've done in the past, (limits opportunities for opposing offense, generate turnovers, 3 and outs, etc.) the offense will be in the best position to succeed.
    He actually does state that safety and outside linebacker are not strengths.

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    I would disagree a little re safety

    We obviously lost Landry but that is quite possibly more than made up for by the loss of Eric Smith, the most putrid safety in NFL history, who knows, maybe Landry's bro can do an acceptable impersonation or Landry

    We lost Bell but it's not that much of a stretch that one of the young guys could step up and play as well as a 37 year older

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainejet View Post
    This article speaks well of the Jets strengths. No doubt they will be a force up front.

    But it doesn't state the very obvious needs in the secondary now. FS is a sore spot. I hope they can sign a decent FA before the season starts to cover deep plays over the middle of the field.

    I also believe they need at least one more decent even stopgap type OLB.

    If they do those things, and the health of the defense holds up (because the defense is not especially deep except on the DL) the defense could be great.

    But where Idzik is not a guy that will reach for instant solutions, and the pickings in late FA may be slim, they may not be able to fill that hole.

    All in all, as the offense is still in very obvious rebuilding mode, the defense will determine the success/failure of the 2013 season. If they can do what they've done in the past, (limits opportunities for opposing offense, generate turnovers, 3 and outs, etc.) the offense will be in the best position to succeed.
    I think we have the stopgap OLBs covered. Pace, Barnes and McIntyre are all decent enough. Hopefully Coples is successful there and that fills the "young talent" need, because that's where we are otherwise really lacking.

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    I'm at peace with everything this offseason/draft outside of Downgrading Landry's. LaRon felt like someone we ought to have made an effort to lock up. That guy brought it in this defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradis View Post
    I'm at peace with everything this offseason/draft outside of Downgrading Landry's. LaRon felt like someone we ought to have made an effort to lock up. That guy brought it in this defense.
    Agreed but the history with his Achilles makes a long term deal a little scary

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    There are a variety of ways to build a team, depending on the philosophy used. It seems to me that the majority of organizations that perennially field above average teams subscribe to this philosophy. For that reason, I like what I have seen so far from Idzik.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradis View Post
    I'm at peace with everything this offseason/draft outside of Downgrading Landry's. LaRon felt like someone we ought to have made an effort to lock up. That guy brought it in this defense.
    totally agreed, i would have given him 3-4 year deal, backloaded a little bit in case of injury.

    We all need to start realizing WE ARE NOT WINNING THIS YEAR, maybe 6 wins. No matter what, we are not making the playoffs. When you know that, why bother getting guys to fill holes, Get the best players you can and run with it. I loved this draft.

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    stockpiling talent, not filling in needs...MMM head scratcher there. Do we or do we not need talent? MMM...I'd say yes, talent does help win games, which I believe is one of the more important needs of an NFL team. Care to rethink your position?

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    as far as the defense goes, where's the complaint? they got a potential top flite corner and have some really talent on the dline. cromartie is very good and wilson is coming around. safety and lb are the biggest problems but even there good players can be found if they already aren't on the jets. it starts from the inside out and the outside in so the jets have the inside and outside covered pretty well.

    the same can be said of the offense. the oline is going to be better than expected. moore was on the downside and slauson was average. howard will be better and the combination of the guys they signed plus mangold and dbrick and they will make up for moore and slauson. running back has been upgraded. the remaining issues are wr, and qb and the wr's are having problems mainly because they can't get on the field. holmes, hill and kerley are all above average. as for qb, sanchez can really stink it up. can smith push him to succeed? we should all hope so but smith could also become the starter at any time if sanchez doesn't play better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jets88NY View Post
    totally agreed, i would have given him 3-4 year deal, backloaded a little bit in case of injury.

    We all need to start realizing WE ARE NOT WINNING THIS YEAR, maybe 6 wins. No matter what, we are not making the playoffs. When you know that, why bother getting guys to fill holes, Get the best players you can and run with it. I loved this draft.
    Says you, you fake ass SOJF. A real jet fan gives this team a chance to win this year. In fact, I'm predicting 9-7 and playoffs.

    At least we all know you're a fake fan, though.

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