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    Just had to Share It

    Taken from someplace, written by someone.

    Enjoy.

    The first thing you really need to understand is that the definition of racism
    that you probably have (which is the colloquial definition: "racism is
    prejudice against someone based on their skin color or ethnicity") is
    NOT the definition that's commonly used in anti-racist circles.

    The
    definition used in anti-racist circles is the accepted sociological
    definition (which is commonly used in academic research, and has been
    used for more than a decade now): "racism is prejudice plus power". What this means, in easy language:

    A.
    Anyone can hold "racial prejudice" -- that is, they can carry positive
    or negative stereotypes of others based on racial characteristics. For
    example, a white person thinking all Asians are smart, or all black
    people are criminals; or a Chinese person thinking Japanese people are
    untrustworthy; or what-have-you. ANYONE, of any race, can have racial
    prejudices.

    B.
    People of any race can commit acts of violence, mistreatment,
    ostracizing, etc., based on their racial prejudices. A black kid can
    beat up a white kid because he doesn't like white kids. An Indian person
    can refuse to associate with Asians. Whatever, you get the idea.

    C. However, to be racist (rather than simply prejudiced) requires having institutional power.
    In North America, white people have the institutional power. In large
    part we head the corporations; we make up the largest proportion of
    lawmakers and judges; we have the money; we make the decisions. In
    short, we control the systems that matter. "White" is presented as
    normal, the default. Because we have institutional power, when we think
    differently about people based on their race or act on our racial
    prejudices, we are being racist. Only white people can be racist, because only white people have institutional power.

    D.
    People of color can be prejudiced, but they cannot be racist, because
    they don't have the institutional power. (However, some people refer to
    intra-PoC prejudice as "lateral racism". You may also hear the term
    "colorism", which refers to lighter-skinned PoC being prejudiced toward
    darker-skinned PoC.) However, that situation can be different in other
    countries; for example, a Japanese person in Japan can be racist against others, because the Japanese have the institutional power there. But in North America, Japanese people can't be racist because they don't hold the institutional power.

    E.
    If you're in an area of your city/state/province that is predominantly
    populated by PoC and, as a white person, you get harassed because of
    your skin color, it's still not racism, even though you're in a PoC-dominated area.
    The fact is, even though they're the majority population in that area,
    they still lack the institutional power. They don't have their own
    special PoC-dominated police force for that area. They don't have their
    own special PoC-dominated courts in that area. The state/province and
    national media are still not dominated by PoC. Even though they have a
    large population in that particular area, they still lack the
    institutional power overall.

    F.
    So that's the definition of racism that you're likely to encounter. If
    you start talking about "reverse racism" you're going to either get
    insulted or laughed at, because it isn't possible under that definition;
    PoC don't have the power in North America, so by definition, they can't
    be racist. Crying "reverse racism!" is like waving a Clueless White
    Person Badge around.

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    This is racist.

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    Save that dumb sh*t for FB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cr726 View Post
    Save that dumb sh*t for FB.
    No one forces you to hit "open thread" you know.

    I also hear the "Ignore" feature works wonderfully (trust me, it does).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill View Post
    No one forces you to hit "open thread" you know.

    I also hear the "Ignore" feature works wonderfully (trust me, it does).
    And miss your drama?? NO F'N WAY!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill View Post
    No one forces you to hit "open thread" you know..
    Of the top 10 new posts, 9 are yours and one is MaineJet...we know his will make very little sense...you give us no choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cr726 View Post
    And miss your drama?? NO F'N WAY!!!!!!!!
    Well, at least I bring you joy cr (and Pink Floyd Bootleg Websites). By the way, you've never mentioned if you likd Black Mountain or not? Best band since (and like) Floyd IMO.

    This message is hidden because FF2 is on your ignore list.
    Told you the ignore feature works great!
    Last edited by Churchill; 06-17-2013 at 05:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill View Post
    This message is hidden because FF2 is on your ignore list.
    Hmmmm....this mean I can call you FATSO again?

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    An astonishing display of idiocy, and an important reminder of the importance of language.

    The first thing you really need to understand is that the definition of racism that you probably have (which is the colloquial definition: "racism is prejudice against someone based on their skin color or ethnicity") is NOT the definition that's commonly used in anti-racist circles.
    Which indicates that the problem is not with "clueless white people" but with "anti-racist circles". The "colloquial" definition is the definition of racism - a term that's apparently in the process of being expropriated in order to repackage it as applicable only to particular groups. That's fairly odious, and personally I don't stand for it. You (the particular idiot who penned this) can feel free to call me a clueless white person for insisting on (and only caring about) the "colloquial" definition; I'll feel free to call you a mendacious moron who can't think her way out of a paper bag for insisting on your supposed right to redefine the terms of a discourse mid-discussion.

    However, to be racist (rather than simply prejudiced) requires having institutional power. In North America, white people have the institutional power. In large part we head the corporations; we make up the largest proportion of lawmakers and judges; we have the money; we make the decisions. In short, we control the systems that matter. "White" is presented as normal, the default. Because we have institutional power, when we think differently about people based on their race or act on our racial prejudices, we are being racist. Only white people can be racist, because only white people have institutional power.
    Welcome to the land of circular definitions. Why is institutional power relevant to racism? Because we've defined it to be so.

    Never mind the ludicrousness of saying that the homeless white guy panhandling in the subway has "institutional power" and therefore can be racist, while the black dude in the suit who runs a large corporation has none, and can't. Peer not behind the curtain; we have spoken, therefore it is so.

    Meh. The problem here is this idiot (and her like-thinking colleagues) have conflated institutional racism with racism generally. Institutional racism is racism reflected in institutions, power centers, etc. In evaluating that, minority (or, as this mealy-mouthed muppet puts it, PoC) representation matters. The "judicial system" as such can only be said to have the biases of the majority of its components.

    But institutional racism is not the only kind. Individuals can be (and often are) racist as well. And determining whether an individual is racist on the basis of where his racial group stands is moronic. There's no reason to connect the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2 View Post
    Of the top 10 new posts, 9 are yours and one is MaineJet...we know his will make very little sense...you give us no choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill View Post
    Well, at least I bring you joy cr (and Pink Floyd Bootleg Websites). By the way, you've never mentioned if you likd Black Mountain or not? Best band since (and like) Floyd IMO.



    Told you the ignore feature works great!
    I haven't checked them out, thank you for reminding me. I do owe you for Iron and Wine, great music.

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