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    excellent discovery, eagle

    http://www.footeducation.com/lisfran...midfoot-sprain


    lisfranc injuries are classified into non-displaced (stable) or displaced and the treatment and the time of recovery is different for each of these classifications

    apparently a grade four lisfranc injury only exists in the noted medical minds of Dr. Santonio Holmes and Dr Raider9175, Orthopaedic Surgeons...
    Last edited by sg3; 06-19-2013 at 01:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patman View Post
    The USO has a tour every week during the offseason, he scheduled his tour with the start of OTAs. What were the jets going to do, say don't go- kind of a PR nightmare telling him to cancel and attend "voluntary WOs"

    No one said he disparaged his teammates. But he did ignore Rex's request to not address the media when those scuffles were happening on the field in front of ESPN. it sounds like you believe the rest of the jets in the huddle in Miami were ok with his attitude that day. Just because Hunter had to take the leadership on himself due to Sanchez's failure to do so, does not mean that the rest of the huddle was not disgusted with him.

    If you don't think he was one of the other WRs along with Mason that went behind the QCs back to complain to rex, IMO you could not be more wrong, regardless of what Rex publicly says.
    But hey, he went to entertain the troops. Rag him all you want , thats as stupid as it gets

    And yes, most Jets, B Moore and others said the words on the field were just a "in the heat of battle, no big deal thing"

    At least he's not the central character in a murder investigation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Nut View Post
    But hey, he went to entertain the troops. Rag him all you want , thats as stupid as it gets

    And yes, most Jets, B Moore and others said the words on the field were just a "in the heat of battle, no big deal thing"

    At least he's not the central character in a murder investigation.
    What ever happens to Hernadez he deserves. Love the guy as a player, but if he is scum, let him rot in jail.

    But what does that have to do with Holmes. How you can defend the guy is beyond me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglenj View Post
    Can you please quote any information from other then Holmes' mouth that talks about Grade 4 sprains? From what I can find there is virtually zero mention of grade 4 lis franc sprains as most medical journals only classify 3 levels. So basically Holmes is guilty of exaggeration an injury.

    McFadden had a lisfranc sprain and fracture one month later in he season then Holmes did and played in all 16 games.

    To say Holmes career is over is utterly ridiculous.
    First off D Mcfadden didn't need surgery( just had to stay off his feet for months and rest ) and Santonio Holmes had the worst degree of linsfranc surgery. ( Key word is the worse kind- doesn't matter if he mis spoke the level) They radically had to correct the problem with surgery- never good ( Plates etc) and anytime when your dealing with that area of the foot the prognosis doesn't look good for him being able to resume his career. (especially for a pro athlete Rb and wr where you have to make sharp cuts))

    Jacoby Ford had lisfranc surgery. In 2011 he missed about half the year with a lisfranc sprain(non surgery) In 2012 training camp he wasn't happy as the foot was still bothering him and he elected to have surgery (type 1 sprain) Missed all of 2012. Right now he running and cutting at full speed and was able to compete in all Ota's and mini camp. ( there is no guarantee that this injury won't effect him in the future or won't end his career) Talk to any foot doctor there is a big difference between a level one and the worse level (where they have to do more RADICALLY things TO REPAIR).

    Now assuming the best case scenario you put out. (fantasy talk)) He going to start training camp on Pup list. He hasn't been able to run or put any pressure on the foot.(months) You have that much inactivity and do you know how long it's going to take to build up/back the strength in that leg. The Jets are installing a totally new offense. (another road block for Holmes)

    For all purposes santonio jet career is over with and there is high probability that his Nfl career is over with.


    Now what the hell Is Idzik and Jets FO thinking. You have to do a better job addressing this position whether in Fa or the draft. (knowing what you know) They didn't and can't use not having santonio Holmes injury as an excuse down the road. ( it called covering all bases) Signing Ben Obomanu his 4 receptions for 58 yards in 2012 does that sound like a solid replacement.
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    If Holmes is unable to go, why not sign a certain Veteran whom Idzik just refuses to acknowledge his existence?


    Sign BE and Lloyd, then call it a day. That's what I say....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raider9175 View Post
    First off D Mcfadden didn't need surgery( just had to stay off his feet for months and rest ) and Santonio Holmes had the worst degree of linsfranc surgery. ( Key word is the worse kind- doesn't matter if he mis spoke the level) They radically had to correct the problem with surgery- never good ( Plates etc) and anytime when your dealing with that area of the foot the prognosis doesn't look good for him being able to resume his career. (especially for a pro athlete Rb and wr where you have to make sharp cuts))

    Jacoby Ford had lisfranc surgery. In 2011 he missed about half the year with a lisfranc sprain(non surgery) In 2012 training camp he wasn't happy as the foot was still bothering him and he elected to have surgery (type 1 sprain) Missed all of 2012. Right now he running and cutting at full speed and was able to compete in all Ota's and mini camp. ( there is no guarantee that this injury won't effect him in the future or won't end his career) Talk to any foot doctor there is a big difference between a level one and the worse level (where they have to do more RADICALLY things TO REPAIR).

    Now assuming the best case scenario you put out. (fantasy talk)) He going to start training camp on Pup list. He hasn't been able to run or put any pressure on the foot.(months) You have that much inactivity and do you know how long it's going to take to build up/back the strength in that leg. The Jets are installing a totally new offense. (another road block for Holmes)

    For all purposes santonio jet career is over with and there is high probability that his Nfl career is over with.


    Now what the hell Is Idzik and Jets FO thinking. You have to do a better job addressing this position whether in Fa or the draft. (knowing what you know) They didn't and can't use not having santonio Holmes injury as an excuse down the road. ( it called covering all bases)
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    Quote Originally Posted by patman View Post
    What ever happens to Hernadez he deserves. Love the guy as a player, but if he is scum, let him rot in jail.

    But what does that have to do with Holmes. How you can defend the guy is beyond me.
    Because I'm not a twisted Pats fan who is looking for things and listing things that are not an issue. Jet management has said it, FO has said it, players who were there have said it.

    But a Pats troll will tell us what we don't know, ad nauseum.

    Corey Dillon was a bad guy. Quit on the Bengals. Threw his uni into the stands and Pats fans defended him. Go away already, stop trying to convince us, stroke yourself if it makes you think he's bad or not better than whoever the Pats trot out on opening day. From your guesswork to whining that he went out on an USO tour, you sound like nothing more than a clueless troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raider9175 View Post
    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...st-severe-kind

    Neither Santonio Holmes nor New York Jets head coach Rex Ryan is confident in the wide receiver's availability for training camp, much less the season opener. Now we have a better idea why that's the case.

    Holmes revealed that his Lisfranc fracture was diagnosed as a Grade 4 injury, which is the most serious variety. He had a joint separation and a muscle tear in the middle of his foot, according to ESPNNewYork.com. A plate was removed in a March follow-up surgery, but two screws will remain in his foot permanently.

    Although Holmes has set the beginning of training camp as his "target date," not one of the Jets beat writers has been buying it as a realistic timetable. Holmes' yet to begin running and cutting. In fact, Holmes hasn't even disclosed if he has started jogging.

    With Holmes' Week 1 status up in the air, the Jets are "looking at all possibilities" at the position after a disappointing showing by their wide receivers in last week's mandatory minicamp.

    Free-agent options include Brandon Lloyd, Austin Collie, Laurent Robinson and Chaz Schilens.

    Of that group, Lloyd easily is the most attractive option. New Jets general manager John Idzik has to be harboring doubts about placing an eccentric wide receiver known for his erratic behavior in the middle of what has been a combustible locker room.
    Don't worry bout Holmes bc he is going to have a comeback yr for the jets...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeT.MAC View Post
    Don't worry bout Holmes bc he is going to have a comeback yr for the jets...
    First off S Holmes numbers before the injury has been going down every year, He probably will have sanchez still throwing him the ball in 2013. Now if he ever gets on the field again due to this injury, he going to have a comeback year. What numbers are you expecting Santonio Holmes to put up in 2013. You play fantasy football the guy to get is Jeremy Kerley who else do they have to get the football to.
    Last edited by Raider9175; 06-19-2013 at 07:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sg3 View Post
    excellent discovery, eagle

    http://www.footeducation.com/lisfran...midfoot-sprain


    lisfranc injuries are classified into non-displaced (stable) or displaced and the treatment and the time of recovery is different for each of these classifications

    apparently a grade four lisfranc injury only exists in the noted medical minds of Dr. Santonio Holmes and Dr Raider9175, Orthopaedic Surgeons...
    That's hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John_0515 View Post
    That's hilarious.
    I stayed at Holiday Inn last week. You can question my motive but what does santonio Holmes get out of telling us this.( I believe he was there for the surgery ) Does this information make him more appealing to teams in 2014.(if he believe he could play next year and beyond) I know if I was santonio Holmes I would be saying the surgery was no big deal.
    Last edited by Raider9175; 06-19-2013 at 08:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raider9175 View Post
    I stayed at Holiday Inn last week. You can question my motive but what does santonio Holmes get out telling us this.( I believe he was there for the surgery ) Does this information make him more appealing to teams in 2014.(if he believe he could play next year and beyond)
    If the Jets let him walk, you should hope your god awful joke of an organization signs him.

    He obviously knows what it's like to play on a team with sh1tty QB play up to now. Would feel right at home on the Raiders

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raider9175 View Post
    I stayed at Holiday Inn last week. You can question my motive but what does santonio Holmes get out telling us this.( I believe he was there for the surgery ) Does this information make him more appealing to teams in 2014.(if he believe he could play next year and beyond)
    STFU please

    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by sg3 View Post
    STFU please

    Thank you
    Apparently it's an impossibility

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raider9175 View Post
    First off D Mcfadden didn't need surgery( just had to stay off his feet for months and rest ) and Santonio Holmes had the worst degree of linsfranc surgery. ( Key word is the worse kind- doesn't matter if he mis spoke the level) They radically had to correct the problem with surgery- never good ( Plates etc) and anytime when your dealing with that area of the foot the prognosis doesn't look good for him being able to resume his career. (especially for a pro athlete Rb and wr where you have to make sharp cuts))

    Jacoby Ford had lisfranc surgery. In 2011 he missed about half the year with a lisfranc sprain(non surgery) In 2012 training camp he wasn't happy as the foot was still bothering him and he elected to have surgery (type 1 sprain) Missed all of 2012. Right now he running and cutting at full speed and was able to compete in all Ota's and mini camp. ( there is no guarantee that this injury won't effect him in the future or won't end his career) Talk to any foot doctor there is a big difference between a level one and the worse level (where they have to do more RADICALLY things TO REPAIR).

    Now assuming the best case scenario you put out. (fantasy talk)) He going to start training camp on Pup list. He hasn't been able to run or put any pressure on the foot.(months) You have that much inactivity and do you know how long it's going to take to build up/back the strength in that leg. The Jets are installing a totally new offense. (another road block for Holmes)

    For all purposes santonio jet career is over with and there is high probability that his Nfl career is over with.


    Now what the hell Is Idzik and Jets FO thinking. You have to do a better job addressing this position whether in Fa or the draft. (knowing what you know) They didn't and can't use not having santonio Holmes injury as an excuse down the road. ( it called covering all bases) Signing Ben Obomanu his 4 receptions for 58 yards in 2012 does that sound like a solid replacement.
    Do you even read what you write. Honestly it's embarrassing.

    First, you cited that "no player has ever come back from a grade 4 sprain" yet that doesn't exist. So what fact were you citing there?

    More importantly you say that Ford had surgery in August (training camp) 2012 and is now running and cutting in May/June OTAs. That's 10 months after surgery. Holmes has surgery in October so 10 month later would put him on track for August 1, in time to practice once a day for a month before the opener.

    So basically not sure what you are talking about other then just coming on here and being a Jets hater.

    Grade 4 buddy! Great call

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglenj View Post
    Do you even read what you write. Honestly it's embarrassing.

    First, you cited that "no player has ever come back from a grade 4 sprain" yet that doesn't exist. So what fact were you citing there?

    More importantly you say that Ford had surgery in August (training camp) 2012 and is now running and cutting in May/June OTAs. That's 10 months after surgery. Holmes has surgery in October so 10 month later would put him on track for August 1, in time to practice once a day for a month before the opener.

    So basically not sure what you are talking about other then just coming on here and being a Jets hater.

    Grade 4 buddy! Great call
    Ouch. Well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglenj View Post

    Do you even read what you write. Honestly it's embarrassing.

    First, you cited that "no player has ever come back from a grade 4 sprain" yet that doesn't exist. So what fact were you citing there?

    More importantly you say that Ford had surgery in August (training camp) 2012 and is now running and cutting in May/June OTAs. That's 10 months after surgery. Holmes has surgery in October so 10 month later would put him on track for August 1, in time to practice once a day for a month before the opener.

    So basically not sure what you are talking about other then just coming on here and being a Jets hater.

    Grade 4 buddy! Great call


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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglenj View Post
    Do you even read what you write. Honestly it's embarrassing.

    First, you cited that "no player has ever come back from a grade 4 sprain" yet that doesn't exist. So what fact were you citing there?

    More importantly you say that Ford had surgery in August (training camp) 2012 and is now running and cutting in May/June OTAs. That's 10 months after surgery. Holmes has surgery in October so 10 month later would put him on track for August 1, in time to practice once a day for a month before the opener.

    So basically not sure what you are talking about other then just coming on here and being a Jets hater.

    Grade 4 buddy! Great call
    Are you this stupid. Santonio Holmes revealed he had the worse degree of linsfranc sprain. True or false. Again your making a big deal out of wrong word but there are alot of players careers than were finished with lesser degree of this injury. True or false. The more levels (worse kind) your talking about the more they have to do radically to correct the foot. (much greater chance the fooit not going to be stable and your going to have tropuble making cuts.

    So again live in your fantasy world that santonio Holmes will be just fine and Jets will get their number 1 type wr money they are paying him. I will wait till after the season for his numbers. That is all the proof I will need and will you be a man and admit the errors of your ways. Don't worry at some point i will be bringing this thread back. ( hope you can take it and can respond)
    Last edited by Raider9175; 06-19-2013 at 09:10 PM.

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    RaiderIQ9=Grade 4 Dolt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Ray19 View Post
    Again let see who got owned when we look back at santonio Holmes numbers in 2013. again time is on my side and his numbers will make my point. When I post the numbers you will say shut Up .( cause the truth hurts and your not good dealing in reality).
    Last edited by Raider9175; 06-19-2013 at 09:22 PM.

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