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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Don't Surf View Post
    Oh I'm sure he's shot Brady in the face several times in the past; just using a different load.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2® View Post
    The Herm Way

    There s a reason Herm isn't an NFL coach anymore.

    The job of an NFL coach is to win football games. He is not in the business to babysit or see that you grow up and be a man. And he SHOULD dump players who can't produce on the field. Show me a coach who hangs on to a player who cant produce and I'll show you an unemployed coach. Thats his job. To think otherwise is incredibly naive.
    When (not if) your beloved coach kills someone - will they let him go or stick with him?

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    Holy hell, how many guys has this guy really killed?

    Sources tell FOX 25 Boston that investigators consider Aaron Hernandez a possible suspect in a 2012 double murder that occurred in Boston.
    On July 16 of last year, police responded to an intersection in downtown Boston. They found three men had been shot while stopped at a traffic light -- two of them fatally. The deceased were identified as Safiro Furtado and Daniel Abreu, and they had reportedly just left a bar. Witnesses said a gray or silver SUV with Rhode Island plates opened fire and then fled. The investigation is ongoing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruby2 View Post
    Holy hell, how many guys has this guy really killed?

    Sources tell FOX 25 Boston that investigators consider Aaron Hernandez a possible suspect in a 2012 double murder that occurred in Boston.
    On July 16 of last year, police responded to an intersection in downtown Boston. They found three men had been shot while stopped at a traffic light -- two of them fatally. The deceased were identified as Safiro Furtado and Daniel Abreu, and they had reportedly just left a bar. Witnesses said a gray or silver SUV with Rhode Island plates opened fire and then fled. The investigation is ongoing.
    Im starting to wonder if he was some type of Hitman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianaJet View Post
    A bigger question is, did Belicheat and the Pats organization fail this guy?

    Look, I'm not one to diminish the idea of personal responsibility but what did Belicheat do to make sure that a troubled kid who they drafted at the age of 20 and gave millions of $$$ to, was taught how to be a MAN?

    Herm Edwards was on ESPN radio last night and made a great point. For him, as coach, his responsibility was not only winning but helping kids and young men develop into solid role models and citizens. Herm believes this is a responsibility coaches should take on at all levels, even in the NFL.

    What did Belicheat do? I suspect he doesn't give a damn about his players so long as they show up for practice and perform well in games. The guy just mumbles his way through life oblivious and uncaring to anything other than what happens on the field.

    And this idea that the Pats did the honorable thing by cutting AH?

    Yeah right.....AH was just another of a long line of players who they no longer had use for because he wasn't going to be producing on the field. See Wes Welker, Richard Seymour and a long line of vets who gave their all to the Pats only to be unceremoniously dumped when it was to the Pats advantage to dump them.

    The Patriot Way......
    And it's worse than Bellicheat mumbling and not caring. What do these guys know about their fearless leader? Well, unless they have been living under a rock, they know that (1) he openly screwed one of his employees' wives while he, himself, was also married; (2) he orchestrated an unprecedented and elaborate cheating scheme, the likes of which the league and professional sports had never seen before; and (3) he got away with (1) and (2). He is setting an example, for sure. And what can be learned from his example? The rules don't apply to us, or, put another way, rules are for the other guys, the losers.
    Last edited by RIJetFan; 06-27-2013 at 01:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2® View Post
    The Herm Way

    There s a reason Herm isn't an NFL coach anymore.

    The job of an NFL coach is to win football games. He is not in the business to babysit or see that you grow up and be a man. And he SHOULD dump players who can't produce on the field. Show me a coach who hangs on to a player who cant produce and I'll show you an unemployed coach. Thats his job. To think otherwise is incredibly naive.
    And how does having an All-Pro talent, locked up behind bars with no chance of getting out, help the Patriots way.

    The fact is, the Patriots knowingly drafted a troubled young kid who did not have a father figure in his life, gave him millions of $$$ and turned him loose without a care about anything other than what he did in between the lines.

    Well....now he's not doing anything between the lines.

    Let's see how that helps them win games....

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2® View Post
    The Herm Way

    There s a reason Herm isn't an NFL coach anymore.

    The job of an NFL coach is to win football games. He is not in the business to babysit or see that you grow up and be a man. And he SHOULD dump players who can't produce on the field. Show me a coach who hangs on to a player who cant produce and I'll show you an unemployed coach. Thats his job. To think otherwise is incredibly naive.
    Double post.....well...this needed to be said twice.

    And how does having an All-Pro talent, locked up behind bars with no chance of getting out, help the Patriots win.

    The fact is, the Patriots knowingly drafted a troubled young kid who did not have a father figure in his life, gave him millions of $$$ and turned him loose without a care about anything other than what he did in between the lines.

    Well....now he's not doing anything between the lines.

    Let's see how that helps them win games....
    Last edited by IndianaJet; 06-27-2013 at 10:35 AM.

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    Holy Cold Blooded Batman!

    Bristol County Assistant District Attorney Bill McCauley laid out a detailed timeline of the alleged events at the arraignment inside the Attleboro District courtroom that was packed with journalists, reporters and family members of the victim, Odin Lloyd.

    McCauley also noted a series of text messages sent from Llyod’s cell phone to his sister.

    "Did you see who I was with?" said the first message, at 3:07 a.m. on June 17. "Who?" she finally replied.

    "NFL," he texted back, then added: "Just so you know."

    It was 3:23 a.m. Moments later, Lloyd would be dead, McCauley said.

    Lloyd, 27, a semi-pro football player with the Boston Bandits, had known Hernandez about a year and was dating the sister of Hernandez's fiancée, the mother of Hernandez's 8-month-old baby, McCauley said.

    On June 14, Lloyd went with Hernandez to a Boston club, Rumor. McCauley said Hernandez was upset Lloyd had talked to people there with whom Hernandez had trouble. He did not elaborate.

    Two days later, McCauley said, on June 16, Hernandez texted two unidentified friends. He asked them to hurry to Massachusetts from Connecticut. At 9:05 p.m., a few minutes after the first message to his friends, Hernandez texted Lloyd, telling him he wanted to get together, McCauley said.

    Later, surveillance footage from Hernandez's home showed his friends arrive and go inside. Hernandez, holding a gun, then told someone in the house he was upset and couldn't trust anyone anymore, the prosecutor said.

    At 1:12 a.m., the three left in Hernandez's rented silver Nissan Altima, McCauley said. Cell towers tracked their movements to a gas station off the highway. There, he said, Hernandez bought blue Bubblicious cotton candy gum.

    At 2:32 a.m., they arrived outside Lloyd's home in Boston and texted him that they were there. McCauley said Lloyd's sister saw him get into Hernandez's car.

    From there, surveillance cameras captured images of what the prosecutor said was Hernandez driving the silver Altima through the city of Boston. As they drove back toward North Attleborough, Hernandez told Lloyd he was upset about what happened at the club and didn't trust him, McCauley said. That was when Lloyd began sending texts to his sister.

    Surveillance video showed the car entering the industrial park and at 3:23 a.m. driving down a gravel road near where Lloyd's body was found. Four minutes later, McCauley said, the car emerges. During that period, employees working an overnight shift nearby heard several gunshots, McCauley said.

    McCauley said Lloyd was shot multiple times, including twice from above as he was lying on the ground. He said five .45 caliber casings were found at the scene.

    Authorities did not say who fired the shots or identify the two others with Hernandez.

    At 3:29 a.m., surveillance at Hernandez's house shows him arriving, McCauley said.

    "The defendant was walking through the house with a gun in his hand. That's captured on video," he said.

    His friend is also seen holding a gun, and neither weapon has been found, McCauley said.


    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/27...#ixzz2XQYdSv1m

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianaJet View Post
    And how does having an All-Pro talent, locked up behind bars with no chance of getting out, help the Patriots win.

    The fact is, the Patriots knowingly drafted a troubled young kid who did not have a father figure in his life, gave him millions of $$$ and turned him loose without a care about anything other than what he did in between the lines.

    Well....now he's not doing anything between the lines.

    Let's see how that helps them win games....
    I think it is fairly clear that Bill Belichick has been his mentor and father figure for the last three years. What other conclusion is possible?

    The only thing he did wrong was getting caught. This is...

    "The Patriots Way"

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrcoops View Post
    His behaviour following the killing would certainly add credence to this view. He was as cool as a cucumber - turned up to workout without a care in the world. He certainly had the appearance of a guy who had been here before.

    Either that, or he genuinely is a Psychopath in the truest sense - totally self absorbed, and incapable of empathy for others, showing no remorse for violence against another human being.
    and the scary thing was that this was his FRIEND.

    his fiance's sister's boyfriend.

    and he shot his other friend in the face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruby2 View Post
    Holy hell, how many guys has this guy really killed?

    Sources tell FOX 25 Boston that investigators consider Aaron Hernandez a possible suspect in a 2012 double murder that occurred in Boston.
    On July 16 of last year, police responded to an intersection in downtown Boston. They found three men had been shot while stopped at a traffic light -- two of them fatally. The deceased were identified as Safiro Furtado and Daniel Abreu, and they had reportedly just left a bar. Witnesses said a gray or silver SUV with Rhode Island plates opened fire and then fled. The investigation is ongoing.
    It was BEFORE he changed to Patriot Way. Does not count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruby2 View Post
    Holy hell, how many guys has this guy really killed?

    Sources tell FOX 25 Boston that investigators consider Aaron Hernandez a possible suspect in a 2012 double murder that occurred in Boston.
    On July 16 of last year, police responded to an intersection in downtown Boston. They found three men had been shot while stopped at a traffic light -- two of them fatally. The deceased were identified as Safiro Furtado and Daniel Abreu, and they had reportedly just left a bar. Witnesses said a gray or silver SUV with Rhode Island plates opened fire and then fled. The investigation is ongoing.
    wow.

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    The idea that BB failed Aaron Hernandez by not teaching him to be a man, is complete nonsense.

    BB DID NOT fail Aaron Hernandez, Aaron Hernandez failed HIMSELF.

    Herm was a terrible HC and maybe because he wanted to spend his time talking to the media and teaching young men how to be adults is the reason he is no longer an NFL HC?

    As FF2 already said, the HC's job is to win games. Period. End of subject.

    At the end of the day, you cannot possibly be in 53 or 90 places or whatever the Patsy roster stands at right now at once.

    Any team, ANY team, drafts players trying to weigh risk against reward. The FO does the best damn job they know how to do and HOPE that the decisions they made help the team on the field and DO NOT create any backlash.

    At some point, you have to hope that all of the rookie symposiums that these young players attend, actually get through their thick skulls. That they have learned that living a rich and influential life is a much BETTER life.

    At the end of the day, you have to hope for the best in your players.

    In that regard, the Patsies are NO different than any other organization. They all do the very same things.

    But it is also an equal crock of sh*t about this bragging by the Patsy FO and ownership claiming the "Patriot Way". Any person in the Patsy organization that has ever claimed that, INCLUDING mac and cheese himself, is a 100%, full of sh*t, RETARD.

    It's a GD myth. What's worse is that these media dumb A$$es swallowed that propaganda crap whole. They actually BELIEVED it. Even while KNOWING that anything the Patsies explained that what was different than any other team, was in fact NOT any different than any other team.

    The media has never remembered when they "sold out". They're classic followers that you can dupe into thinking anything when you just so happen to be WINNING.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruby2 View Post
    Holy hell, how many guys has this guy really killed?

    Sources tell FOX 25 Boston that investigators consider Aaron Hernandez a possible suspect in a 2012 double murder that occurred in Boston.
    On July 16 of last year, police responded to an intersection in downtown Boston. They found three men had been shot while stopped at a traffic light -- two of them fatally. The deceased were identified as Safiro Furtado and Daniel Abreu, and they had reportedly just left a bar. Witnesses said a gray or silver SUV with Rhode Island plates opened fire and then fled. The investigation is ongoing.

    It seems to me the only reason he would kill his friend over 'speaking to someone' was because the conversation could implicate him on something else. Maybe something like what you posted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishooked View Post
    Good point....but in the end the Pats don't give a **** about their players, everyone is replaceable.
    Spot on.

    Go back to the Ray Lewis incident. Although he was able to plea out he was actually arrested for Murder.

    The Ravens stood by him when he was charged with murder. I believe they allowed him to use their facilities for a press conference.

    Based on the code of conduct that's being applied now Ray Lewis should have never played another game in the NFL. Hernandez while looking guilty isn't actually guilty (at least legally) yet. He may well plea down to obstruction or manslaughter or be acquitted outright at trial.

    A suspension pending outcome would be the best way for this to be dealt with. The Pats organization by firing him have already expressed their belief that Hernandez is guilty when at the very least he deserves a fair hearing with a neutral jury who can exam the evidence and determine his guilt or innocence without prejudice. (Disclaimer, as a Jets fan and not likely to be on the jury I'm perfectly comfortable being prejudicial, Hernandez did it.)

    The Pats knew what they were getting when they drafted Hernandez that's why they got him in the 4th round. The least the organization can do is provide him some aid and comfort before the prison doors shut on him permanently. His firing was all about protecting the Pats business interests. A person in trouble who worked for them has no value to them anymore. The Ravens at the very least sent a message to the players that they stand by their players no matter what.

    This is simply another example of the outright lack of class by the organization. Protect the organization at all costs, same reason the tapes were destroyed. If I wanted to be even more cynical about the Pats you could argue they did this as the first step in asking for cap compensation.

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    Isn't it said that the average person makes 25 mistakes while trying to commit a crime?

    Why the hell do people keep labeling AH an underachiever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RussianGreen View Post
    When (not if) your beloved coach kills someone - will they let him go or stick with him?
    Depends, what the teams record at that point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Don't Surf View Post
    Isn't it said that the average person makes 25 mistakes while trying to commit a crime?

    Why the hell do people keep labeling AH an underachiever?
    Why the hell aren't you posting more often?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    Spot on.

    Go back to the Ray Lewis incident. Although he was able to plea out he was actually arrested for Murder.

    The Ravens stood by him when he was charged with murder. I believe they allowed him to use their facilities for a press conference.

    Based on the code of conduct that's being applied now Ray Lewis should have never played another game in the NFL. Hernandez while looking guilty isn't actually guilty (at least legally) yet. He may well plea down to obstruction or manslaughter or be acquitted outright at trial.

    A suspension pending outcome would be the best way for this to be dealt with. The Pats organization by firing him have already expressed their belief that Hernandez is guilty when at the very least he deserves a fair hearing with a neutral jury who can exam the evidence and determine his guilt or innocence without prejudice. (Disclaimer, as a Jets fan and not likely to be on the jury I'm perfectly comfortable being prejudicial, Hernandez did it.)

    The Pats knew what they were getting when they drafted Hernandez that's why they got him in the 4th round. The least the organization can do is provide him some aid and comfort before the prison doors shut on him permanently. His firing was all about protecting the Pats business interests. A person in trouble who worked for them has no value to them anymore. The Ravens at the very least sent a message to the players that they stand by their players no matter what.

    This is simply another example of the outright lack of class by the organization. Protect the organization at all costs, same reason the tapes were destroyed. If I wanted to be even more cynical about the Pats you could argue they did this as the first step in asking for cap compensation.
    Lol. Compare and contract with your opinions regarding the Zimmerman/Martin event, and wow, what a LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill View Post
    Lol. Compare and contract with your opinions regarding the Zimmerman/Martin event, and wow, what a LOL!
    If Zimmerman was my employee no way I fire him or comment on his guilt or innocence. That doesn't mean I don't think he's morally responsible for killing Martin. I have no relationship to Martin, Zimmerman or Hernandez or the Pats. I think Hernandez is guilty as sin. Still if he worked for me I'm suspending him pending outcome, no comment not firing him. The Pats actually can influence public opinion, I don't. It's not black and white.
    Last edited by Winstonbiggs; 06-27-2013 at 11:24 AM.

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