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    Good to see some of these media members waking up to the fact that all of this "patriot way" stuff is bs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Boston Patriot View Post
    Taking a moment to think about what has been disclosed I think the murder charge is for two reasons (I do believe he is guilty as hell) and that is:

    1) Make the defense defend against it. The problem is that the authorities have no concrete evidence that he was the shooter. At this point they don't even have the gun.

    2) Room to move to a lesser charge but still sending the dirtbag off to the clink for a long time.

    I don't think (at this time) that the defense is sweating the murder charge unless a really incriminating discovery is made. There were two other people in the car with him and I'll bet that alone will give the defense enough leverage to swing for the fences for a lesser charge.

    As for the gun charges, they are almost always used only as leverage to get the perp to agree to a plea.

    Defense Attorneys >>>>>> Prosecution (Remember these are your tax dollars at work and you're not getting much bang for the buck - see Simpson, OJ).

    YMMV
    BP - welcome to the wonderful world of felony murder and conspiracy to murder. He doesn't have to be the one pulling the trigger to go down for murder

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    Quote Originally Posted by doggin94it View Post
    BP - welcome to the wonderful world of felony murder and conspiracy to murder. He doesn't have to be the one pulling the trigger to go down for murder
    Even if the evidence is circumstantial.... they could probably get him a few years for obstruction all by itself.

    Hernandez is totally done.

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    Glad to see the thread title changed. Even though he is one.

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    Hernandez's reaction when Johnny Law shows up at the house.

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    lolz at the thread tags.

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    Wow the Patriots have a SERIAL MURDERER on their team!


    How the hell do you ever live that down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by billygreen View Post
    Wow the Patriots have a SERIAL MURDERER on their team!


    How the hell do you ever live that down?
    3 SB's, prior, from a football standpoint that will do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Don't Surf View Post
    There she is.
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    LOL

    Especially at Vinny PaTROLLie weeping and bawling



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    Quote Originally Posted by doggin94it View Post
    BP - welcome to the wonderful world of felony murder and conspiracy to murder. He doesn't have to be the one pulling the trigger to go down for murder
    Oh, I agree but he would stand a better chance at a lesser charge. I may recant my opinion though after I heard a couple of pundits talking on the radio yesterday. They were of the opinion that he is toast and gave some interesting perspectives relative to what's gone down so far. His legal team better be worth the money because they are his only chance of him getting less than life without parole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Bravo View Post
    Who says football fans have no humor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by billygreen View Post
    Wow the Patriots have a SERIAL MURDERER on their team!


    How the hell do you ever live that down?
    Don't overestimate the athletic community. Some day it might be a recruiting tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Boston Patriot View Post
    Taking a moment to think about what has been disclosed I think the murder charge is for two reasons (I do believe he is guilty as hell) and that is:

    1) Make the defense defend against it. The problem is that the authorities have no concrete evidence that he was the shooter. At this point they don't even have the gun.

    2) Room to move to a lesser charge but still sending the dirtbag off to the clink for a long time.

    I don't think (at this time) that the defense is sweating the murder charge unless a really incriminating discovery is made. There were two other people in the car with him and I'll bet that alone will give the defense enough leverage to swing for the fences for a lesser charge.

    As for the gun charges, they are almost always used only as leverage to get the perp to agree to a plea.

    Defense Attorneys >>>>>> Prosecution (Remember these are your tax dollars at work and you're not getting much bang for the buck - see Simpson, OJ).

    YMMV
    They are sweating the murder charge, believe me. He doesn't necessarily have to be the one to pull the trigger to be found guilty. Most states, including Massachusetts have what is called a "felony-murder" rule. What it means is if you are committing a felony and one of your compatriots kills someone, you are also on the hook for murder. The classic example is if you and a buddy agree to rob a liquor store and during the course of the robbery your buddy panics and shoots and kills someone. Under the felony-murder rule, you also are on the hook for murder, even though you never had the intention to kill anybody.

    From the evidence, it seems like Hernandez orchestrated the whole thing, but even if he didn't, he potentially could be found guilty of murder for kidnapping the guy and being present when he was shot.

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    Police seek third suspect in killing of ex-NFL star Hernandez's pal

    Published June 28, 2013FoxNews.com


    Authorities in Massachusetts are continuing their search on Friday for another man believed to be armed and dangerous in connection with the killing of one of former New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez's friends.
    State police are seeking Ernest Wallace, who is wanted for accessory after the fact of the murder of semi-pro football player Odin Lloyd last week in North Attleborough, Mass., near Hernandez's home.
    Wallace is believed to be a resident of Hernandez's hometown of Bristol, Conn., MyFoxBoston.com reported. State police said they were looking for a silver or gray 2012 Chrysler 300 with Rhode Island license plates Wallace was seen driving.
    Hernandez has been charged with murder for what prosecutors say was Lloyd's execution-style killing. He was denied bail Thursday.
    MyFoxBoston.com reported that police returned to Hernandez's North Attleboro home Thursday night, though the reason for the visit was not immediately known.
    A source told MyFoxBoston.com on Thursday that investigators are looking into Hernandez in connection with a double homicide that happened on July 16, 2012, in downtown Boston.
    The source told the station that a fight broke out at a club between the two male shooting victims and a group that reportedly included Hernandez.
    An email and phone call to Boston Police from FoxNews.com were not immediately returned.
    Hernandez's lawyer argued at Thursday's bail hearing that his celebrity status means even if he wanted to flee he couldn't and that the case against him is circumstantial.
    "He wants to clear his name," lawyer James Sultan told the judge.
    But Bristol County Assistant District Attorney Bill McCauley called the evidence in the June 17 slaying of Lloyd overwhelming and said police had made discoveries Wednesday when they searched a condo Hernandez leased and a Hummer registered to him that was parked there.
    Hernandez appeared in court with his hands cuffed in front of him and occasionally looked at his fiancee during Thursday's bail hearing. She cried when Bristol Superior Court Judge Renee Dupuis denied the request, but Hernandez showed little emotion.
    The judge said that it is rare for someone charged with first-degree murder to get bail and that Hernandez had the means to flee if he chose to do so. She acknowledged the prosecution's case was circumstantial but said it was "very, very strong" and called the scenario the prosecution described "cold-blooded."
    The Patriots cut Hernandez shortly after police arrested him on Wednesday.
    That day, authorities in Connecticut also made an arrest in connection with Lloyd's slaying. New Britain State's Attorney Brian Preleski said Thursday that investigators arrested 27-year-old Carlos Ortiz in Bristol, Conn., as part of the murder probe.
    A jogger found Lloyd's body in a remote area of an industrial park about a mile from Hernandez's home in North Attleborough 10 days ago. Lloyd was a semi-pro football player from Boston who was dating the sister of Hernandez's fiancee.
    Prosecutors said Hernandez orchestrated the killing because Lloyd talked to the wrong people at a nightclub. Hernandez, a 2011 Pro Bowl selection who signed a five-year contract with the Patriots worth $40 million, could face life in prison if convicted.
    In laying out more of the government's case Thursday, McCauley said prosecutors believe that the murder weapon was a .45-caliber Glock and that a gun Hernandez is seen holding on his home surveillance video, a weapon they haven't found, appears to be a Glock.
    The prosecutor said that inside the Hummer investigators recovered an ammunition clip for .45-caliber bullets and that ammunition was found inside the condo. McCauley said a photograph had emerged online of Hernandez holding a Glock.
    Hernandez's lawyer said Thursday that as far as he knew there was no eyewitness testimony and the prosecution had not given evidence that shows who shot Lloyd or whether there was a plan to kill him. He said Hernandez has no criminal record, owns a home and lives with his 8-month-old daughter and fiancee.
    "Mr. Hernandez is not just a football player but is one of the best football players in the United States of America," Sultan said, adding, "He's young man who is extremely accomplished and hardworking in his chosen profession."
    Prosecutors have said that on June 16 Hernandez and two unidentified friends picked up Lloyd from his Boston home in a rented silver Nissan Maxima, took him to a remote area of an industrial park and shot him five times.
    Lloyd, in the minutes before his death, sent a series of texts to his sister, who had seen him get into the car.
    "Did you see who I was with?" said the first, at 3:07 a.m. June 17.
    "Who?" she finally replied.
    "NFL," he texted back, then added: "Just so you know."
    Prosecutors have said they used cellphone tower data, text messages and surveillance video, including video from the security system Hernandez installed inside his home, to reconstruct his movements that night.





    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/28...#ixzz2XWHBzUbB

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    Got "Blood" on my hand

    Oh the irony.
    He'll be learning first hand (pun intended)
    About gang banging in prison.
    This time it will be him get shot with loads (pun intended)
    All over his body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Don't Surf View Post


    Hernandez's reaction when Johnny Law shows up at the house.
    If you've ever seen cops. The guy with no shirt on always goes to jail. He would have anyway, but good advice. If the cops are coming. Put a shirt on.

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    Mods: I think this is actually an important set of questions and possibly worthy of not being buried here inside this mega-thread. Feel free to move it to its own thread if you agree.

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    Actually I am with Whitlock here.

    (1) You have to assume that the Patriots heard all of the same rumors as all the other teams about Hernandez coming out of college.

    (2) You have to assume that a billion dollar corporation did their own due dilligence and decided to take a risk on him anyway.

    (3) You really have to assume that even though they drafted him that their own internal security folks were asked to keep closer tabs on him than they might on other (non-gangsta) players

    (4) Then there is the February incident in Florida which, if nothing else should have caused the wheels of internal Patriots Security apparatus to grind a little more quickly.

    (5) Now we understand that there may have been a whole string of questions or suspicious behavior connected to AH over a longer course of time.

    (6) The Patriot team management, front office, ownership, coaches and players saw Aaron Hernandez ON A DAILY BASIS. At least one of his fellow players were saying he was a dirtbag. A really bad guy. How then is it possible for the owner to say what he said about AH back when the new contract was signed?

    (7) The Patriots have a huge financial and reputational risk tied up in this player. They have had plenty of advance notice to be on their guard that bad outcomes could possibly happen around him.

    And so the question is......


    WHAT IN THE FLYING F*CK DID THE PATRIOTS KNOW AND WHEN DID THEY KNOW IT?

    ONLY A COMPLETE IMBECILE IS GOING TO BELIEVE THAT THEY KNEW NOTHING BEFORE THIS ARREST DROPPED OUT OF THE SKY.

    Or perhaps the more reasonable explanation might this....

    Just like Spygate the Patriots brass knew exactly what they were doing and what risks they were taking but they figured that if the crap hit the fan that they walk away claiming no knowledge if the situation. Sorry but that simply does not fly. It didn't fly then and it really should not be allowed fly now. The Patriots are not innocent victims of bad stuff randomly happening here. They are in many respects partners with AH in all of his activities because they wanted accrue the benefits of his on the field contributions.
    Last edited by EM31; 06-28-2013 at 10:34 AM.

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