They already searched his locker. There's footage of him leaving his car to walk into the stadium. You think Hernandez waited until the world was watching him leave his house in broad daylight to drive all the way to Gillette to carry a gun in his underwear to stash under BB's desk? You find this plausible?
Go call 911 immediately because apparently you've got some inside info the cops don't.
He stashed the gun in a potato bag at 5 guys burgers at Gillette Place. Someone's in for a big surprise (bang) when they get their french fries.
Carlos Ortiz, one of the alleged accomplices in the Aaron Hernandez case, says he was told that Hernandez said he killed Odin Lloyd.
According to court documents released Tuesday, Ortiz told police that Ernest Wallace, a second alleged accomplice, told him the day after the shooting that Hernandez admitted to killing Lloyd.
After Lloyd was shot near Hernandez's home in North Attleborough, Mass., Ortiz and Wallace returned to Bristol, Conn. That is where, according to court records made public in Florida today, Ortiz told police that Wallace said Hernandez shot Lloyd.
The documents were drawn up to justify a search of Wallace's home in Miramar, Fla., where Wallace was arrested about 10 days ago.
fun watching ASG make an A$$ out of himself desperately trying to defend a murderer just because he wore the stinking Flying Elvis Logo Gang colors
Sure sounds like the multi million dollar mansion will be out of the picture for the next 25 to life, what a dumb ass!!!!!
A full search of the Patriots facility does not seem to be excessive under the circumstances.
Why would the Patriots not invite such a thing?
I'm assuming the police have searched anywhere and everywhere in Hernandez' world that they deemed of interest at this point.
Last edited by ASG0531; 07-09-2013 at 11:27 PM.
As far as people looking to to use this stuff to embarrass the Patriots organization. Absolutely. I agree that there is some of that. But look, this is not as if all of this were some random meteorite which just happened to land on the poor folks in Foxboro out of the blue. It simply is not. This is pretty much all well deserved criticism from where I sit.
The Patriots rolled the dice on this guy and they were perfectly happy to accrue the benefits and the admiration of folks for that gamble over the course of the three years when things were going well. "look how smart the Patriots were to draft this guy".... "They obviously knew more than the rest of us"... and so on and so forth. Well guess what? The shaming of the organization now that things have gone wrong is simply the flip side of the exact same risk/reward proposition that the Patriots accepted three years ago. The criticism that the Patriots are receiving now is all pretty lightweight stuff and if anything the media has given the Pats a pretty big pass on all of this. It is like the punishment for juicing in baseball. Players will continue to cheat if the rewards far outweigh the risks. The league as a whole needs to raise the bar on the risk side of the ledger and shaming the Pats is a small step in that direction.
...Oh and if we here at JI can collectively have a little fun at your expense then where is the harm in that?
I assume the Pats have a 'fixer', like the guy the Giants had that Plax called. I assume every team has one. And while I doubt that guy would ever tell Hernandez to bring the gun in, I don't doubt that the idiot that thought smashing cell phones and video cameras would destroy the data they had recorded might think that he should do just that, to bring it to the fixer. So while I agree it's far-fetched, it's not impossible-fetched.
Here's an article on SI.com that at least attempts to begin the discussion of civil liabilities the Pats could face:
I assume you'll completely dismiss the article because SI is just another Pats-biased media outlet and there are no discussions about criminal liability (which is what you are really hoping for), but at least a major news outlet has addressed some of the questions you are talking about.
.RT @AlbertBreer: One point on Hernandez, which I mentioned on TA: Evidence shown today was what prosecution needed to get AH charged. They likely have more.
Kraft certainly plays the part of the squeaky clean high moral standards executive yet we see the at least somewhat scummy looking dalliance with a woman half his age and practically before his wife is cold in the ground. Normally not a cause to take particular note until you remember that the whole Myra Kraft illness and his sticking by her side was pushed into our faces relentlessly by the media. Kraft could have put a stop to that in ten seconds flat so you have to assume he liked that whole story arc and the light in which it presented his face to the world.
We see his an organization under Kraft's stewardship that engaged in cheating for the better art of a decade and now we see this most recent episode where an extremely dubious character is embraced professionally by that same organization and to a great degree, embraced personally by Bob Kraft himself. Then there came the gangland execution style murder and at least the sniff of more murders in the past.
There are several patterns here and a pretty bad stench. The Patriots taking risks because they derive tangible on-the-field benefits from the practice. The Patriots claiming whiter-than-white innocence, "how could such a thing ever happen to us?" when things do start to go wrong and the Patriots never really facing the prospect of a punishment that truly fits the the transgressions.
In all honesty how does any of this not stick to the organization and why should anyone here be upset if your team's fan base is not having the best time of it right now?
P.S. I pop in over at Patsfans.com from time to time and I have to say that the inconsistency over there is borderline astonishing at times. For example some of the very same posters who are now saying that moving forward the Patriots need to be more proactive and better informed about player behavior are the same ones who are saying things like how could we have known and what going on? or What else could we have done? I can see that is is possible to take one position or another but both of them simultaneously?
My own personal suspicion and I have nothing to support this is that the Pats did indeed know some of the bad stuff about Aaron Hernandez. No, not the murder but probably some things about the guns and the gangs. I think they knew about this because I believe that they do indeed have better intel than anyone else. I also believe that they knew this because they we the one team out of 32 that had the financial motivation to go find out once he was already a Patriot. I think they simply did not know what to do with that worrying information once they had it in their possession. This theory is consistent with the Patriots being better informed than anyone else and a franchise that is willing to continue to roll the dice in a tight spot.
Last edited by EM31; 07-10-2013 at 09:34 AM.
Kraft's private sitdown with three Pats-friendly reporters - against the advice of counsel - was pretty self-serving. He feels duped? He could only feel duped if this was a Rae Carruth situation where the player has NO red flags in college and then he does something unthinkable.
What happened here is that the Pats decided that character mattered less than wanting to win. All the signs were there that Hernandez was a bad guy. So that's not being duped. That's making a choice.
That choice helped kill Lloyd and maybe others.
Something else. On Outside the Lines Herm Edwards observed that SOMEONE in the locker room REALLY knew what kind of guy AH was. Maybe it was an equipment guy. Maybe a player. Maybe a trainer. Someone knew, but that person was apparently never asked. Why?
Herm didn't have the balls to answer, but I will. It's because Hernandez was a good player and the Pats didn't care that he had thug tendencies (hung out with his old gang friends, didn't go to player events).
Oh and one of the panelists suggested that when a player commits this kind of crime, the team should be penalized the draft choice they used to get him, so the Pats* would lose their 4th Rd. pick in a future draft.
Last edited by TheBlairThomasFumble; 07-10-2013 at 11:11 AM.
So he makes up this BS story about wanting to "work out" at the stadium. His house has a home gym, so why make this drive?
Because he knew he could hide the gun inside the one building where the media couldn't follow him into. Anywhere else he went, reporters were going to be all over him.
BTW, I find it amazing that you find this theory implausible after your team's star tight end has turned out to be a drug using murderer who's such a sociopath that he can kill a guy and then casually offer a rental car agency worker a piece of bubble gum while getting out of a car used to commit the crime.
Last edited by TheBlairThomasFumble; 07-10-2013 at 11:29 AM.