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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by The Boston Patriot View Post
    Interesting thread title. "Lost their way"? What exactly do people perceive 'their way'? I look at it as: 1) Get the best players you can within the constraints of the salary cap, 2) Coach & Play as best you can with whatever resources you have, and 3) (for the JI crew) take the best vids.
    Exactly. The Pats have quietly out-thuged most the league for over a decade. The quietly part is now over.

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    Exactly. The Pats have quietly out-thuged most the league for over a decade. The quietly part is now over.
    Please, in all due respects, you don't know what you are talking about. You are just a frustrated Jets homer.

    Only one organization in the NFL knows how to do things the right way, the classy way, the "Patriot Way."

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by jetssjumets View Post
    Please, in all due respects, you don't know what you are talking about. You are just a frustrated Jets homer.

    Only one organization in the NFL knows how to do things the right way, the classy way, the "Patriot Way."
    I'm not a frustrated Jets homer. There is no such thing as a frustrated Jets homer. For Homer's it's all about the future the past isn't relevant. I'm decidedly a frustrated SOJF.

  4. #44
    The only way this claim gains credence beyond some obscure Jets message board and a scorned Boston beat writer is if the Patsies start losing.

    I don't see that happening this season.

    Sure, they are going to take a hit from losing Welker, Gronk, and AH. I'm thinking with a the pathetic defense that they have, they could easily fall to somewhere around 10-6.

    But still that's a winning record and likely the best record in the division. Good enough to win the division.

    I do believe the gist of the article that basically says the Patsies are taking too many gambles on punks. The Patsies are starting to get burned on a regular basis. But this will only show its ugly head through time. Past this season.

    It's hard to say how quickly Brady will be able to rebuild with replacements for their top 3 receivers from last season. It's going to take time. But because of Brady's accommodating talent, it won't take as long as it would for most other teams. But that is the big issue here from what I can tell.

    The defense still sucks. I haven't believed the Patsies are good enough to win it all since 2007. Now this.

    These recent developments are a further hit to any hopes of a good postseason.

    In the end, I still believe they are good enough to win the division due to all the other teams being so weak. But beyond that they are not better than a one and done team.

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    I'm not a frustrated Jets homer. There is no such thing as a frustrated Jets homer. For Homer's it's all about the future the past isn't relevant. I'm decidedly a frustrated SOJF.
    I was being sarcastic. Please read the entire post again. I was taking a shot at the Pat trolls, not you.

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by RussianGreen View Post
    http://nfl.si.com/2013/06/21/aaron-h...ing-over-pats/

    Aaron Hernandez saga just the latest dark cloud hovering over Pats*
    New England Patriots
    By Chris Burke


    Fort Belichick is in disarray.

    Already, the franchise that espouses the fundamental (if somewhat ambiguous) “Patriot Way” mantra had endured an unusually tumultuous offseason. And that was before tight end Aaron Hernandez, less than a year removed from signing a pricey contract extension, became a possible suspect in the murder of 27-year-old Odin Lloyd.

    The Patriots’ mystique may be waning, and not just because of the potentially serious legal issues facing Hernandez over the coming months. This offseason, up to and including this week’s developments, has been unusually tumultuous for one of the league’s more sure-footed franchises.

    New England entered its offseason earlier than expected, following a humbling playoff home loss to the Ravens — the Patriots’ eighth consecutive postseason trip that ended without a Super Bowl ring and their third time in the past four years falling on their home turf. Then, Wes Welker bolted for rival Denver, Alfonzo Dennard was sentenced to 30 days in jail for assaulting a police officer and Rob Gronkowski became a frequent guest of the surgical community.

    All of that (and the questions about New England’s 2013 prospects that followed) occurred before Hernandez’s home landed front and center in a murder investigation. That Hernandez’s dreadful situation has happened less than a year after he signed a pricey contract extension will make the front office even more uneasy.

    There are more pressing matters at hand, particularly in regards to Hernandez, but football minds can ask with the Patriots a month away from reconvening for camp: Is this team ready for a fall?

    The rest of the AFC East certainly hopes so, having watched New England roll to back-to-back-to-back-to-back division crowns. Miami spent big money to chase a playoff berth; Buffalo switched coaching staffs and landed a QB, E.J. Manuel, it hopes finally can be a franchise guy at that position; the Jets, though with myriad issues of their own, did the same by drafting Geno Smith.

    Those three teams should feel that the door to first place has propped open, if only because the Patriots’ own title window might have closed a bit.

    The Patriots will have to fight that perception, at least, as they start the coming season with questions at wide receiver and tight end (if Hernandez isn’t on the field in Week 1, the Patriots will open the season without their five leading receivers from last year), cornerback (where the team only added third-rounder Logan Ryan to a group that finished 29th against the pass last year) and off the field. The outcome of this evolving story surrounding Hernandez is impossible to guess, but the absolute simplest outcome is that it threatens to be a distraction in July and August.

    New England has the type of leadership to weather a potential storm — Bill Belichick, Tom Brady, Logan Mankins, Vince Wilfork and others provide necessarily steady hands. Still, there is enough for the Patriots to be concerned about on the field without having to worry that one of their offensive stars will spend the season in jail.

    What must Brady think of his team’s recent news? The future Hall of Famer has survived, sometimes even thrived, with an underwhelming cast of characters around him — like the 2004 Super Bowl run, with David Givens and David Patten as the team’s leading receivers.

    That was a decade ago, though. The soon-to-be 36-year-old QB has proven he has plenty left in the tank, and yet the latest incarnation of the Patriots’ offense was designed around Welker’s capabilities in the slot, Hernandez’s versatility and Gronkowski’s elite abilities as a combo pass-catcher/blocker. What happens if Brady has to enter the season without any of those players available to him? (No, Tim Tebow’s not about to dominate as a tight end.)
    Admittedly, asking the question “Who will catch Tom Brady’s passes?” is a gross simplification of New England’s situation. Belichick has never shied away from rolling the dice on red-flagged players. Plenty of those gambles have paid off, too, but maybe there’s a more fundamental issue at play.

    Maybe the Patriots, by turning a blind eye to Hernandez’s sketchy past, set themselves up for some of these problems.

    New England likely will head into the 2013 season as the favorite again within the AFC East, if not one of the expected contenders in the conference. The outlook in Foxboro, however, is far from sunny.

    If there is still exists a “Patriot Way,” now would be the ideal time to rediscover it.
    Body of iron and feet of clay.

    The harder they fall...

  7. #47
    The first Super Bowl victory is one of the biggest "upsets" in Super Bowl history, the 14-point underdog Patriots defeated the Rams 20–17.

    Let's remember how that happened:
    Mo Lewis takes out Bledsoe
    Terry Glenn, the team's leading receiver in 2000, was benched due to off-the-field problems
    the 6th round lottery pick wins 11 games on 18 TD and 12 INT
    Free ride in playoffs, thanks to the "tuck" rule
    Bledsoe returns to beat Steelers for trip to the big easy
    BB videos the Rams offense and "holds" them to 17 points, down from a season average of ~32 points per game (but they did not cheat...)
    Brady, completed 16 of 27 passes for 145 yards and a touchdown, was named Super Bowl MVP (for Sanchez stats)

    That's the "Patriots Way"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ohio State NY Jets fan View Post
    The first Super Bowl victory is one of the biggest "upsets" in Super Bowl history, the 14-point underdog Patriots defeated the Rams 20–17.

    Let's remember how that happened:
    Mo Lewis takes out Bledsoe
    Terry Glenn, the team's leading receiver in 2000, was benched due to off-the-field problems
    the 6th round lottery pick wins 11 games on 18 TD and 12 INT
    Free ride in playoffs, thanks to the "tuck" rule
    Bledsoe returns to beat Steelers for trip to the big easy
    BB videos the Rams offense and "holds" them to 17 points, down from a season average of ~32 points per game (but they did not cheat...)
    Brady, completed 16 of 27 passes for 145 yards and a touchdown, was named Super Bowl MVP (for Sanchez stats)

    That's the "Patriots Way"
    Pretty good analysis

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Ohio State NY Jets fan View Post
    The first Super Bowl victory is one of the biggest "upsets" in Super Bowl history, the 14-point underdog Patriots defeated the Rams 20–17.

    Let's remember how that happened:
    Mo Lewis takes out Bledsoe
    Terry Glenn, the team's leading receiver in 2000, was benched due to off-the-field problems
    the 6th round lottery pick wins 11 games on 18 TD and 12 INT
    Free ride in playoffs, thanks to the "tuck" rule
    Bledsoe returns to beat Steelers for trip to the big easy
    BB videos the Rams offense and "holds" them to 17 points, down from a season average of ~32 points per game (but they did not cheat...)
    Brady, completed 16 of 27 passes for 145 yards and a touchdown, was named Super Bowl MVP (for Sanchez stats)

    That's the "Patriots Way"
    Lets not forget in that Superbowl holding WR was illegal. The Pats so blatantly pushed the limits of the rules that the league had to clarify them during that offseason. Had the officials actually enforced the rules the Rams blow the Pats out of the building.

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Ohio State NY Jets fan View Post
    The first Super Bowl victory is one of the biggest "upsets" in Super Bowl history, the 14-point underdog Patriots defeated the Rams 20–17.

    Let's remember how that happened:
    Mo Lewis takes out Bledsoe
    Terry Glenn, the team's leading receiver in 2000, was benched due to off-the-field problems
    the 6th round lottery pick wins 11 games on 18 TD and 12 INT
    Free ride in playoffs, thanks to the "tuck" rule
    Bledsoe returns to beat Steelers for trip to the big easy
    BB videos the Rams offense and "holds" them to 17 points, down from a season average of ~32 points per game (but they did not cheat...)
    Brady, completed 16 of 27 passes for 145 yards and a touchdown, was named Super Bowl MVP (for Sanchez stats)

    That's the "Patriots Way"

    You forgot the Rams played in Foxboro earlier that regular season and Belicheat had his illegal cameras rolling.

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by child please View Post
    You forgot the Rams played in Foxboro earlier that regular season and Belicheat had his illegal cameras rolling.
    Pats lost that game 24-17 thanks to a critical turnover before the end of the first half that led to a Rams score, The Rams scored 503 points that season but the two low scoring games had BB video...

    I think that was the game BB learned to use the film since he did not lose a game for the rest of the season, "tuck" rule did not hurt

    but he has not won a title since Mangini stopped the video (AKA cheating)

    Maybe the DA sealed the evidence so it could not be destroyed
    Last edited by Ohio State NY Jets fan; 06-25-2013 at 11:43 PM.

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