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    Quote Originally Posted by jetssjumets View Post
    The NE trolls have returned like a bad rash. Funny how you forget the video clip of Sanchez and the Jets whipping the Pats ass in the playoffs. That's your reality check, troll. Now, STFU.
    2010 the Jets beat the Pats in the playoffs. Handily. Wasn't anywhere as close as the score indicated. The Jets were clearly the better team.

    That outlier aside the Jets, despite a lot of big talking by the coaching staff, the jets have by most standards underdelivered. What's your point, exactly?
    Last edited by BushyTheBeaver; 06-29-2013 at 12:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath View Post
    U keep bragging about being 8-3 at some point in a season 5 years ago. The pats win the division every year, but hey, u remember when the jets were 8-3 once. Good times. Where is the 8-3 trophy? Must be next to those legendary back to back afc championship loss trophies.
    Thought you were leaving?

    Get lost, clown

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath View Post
    U keep bragging about being 8-3 at some point in a season 5 years ago. The pats win the division every year, but hey, u remember when the jets were 8-3 once. Good times. Where is the 8-3 trophy? Must be next to those legendary back to back afc championship loss trophies.
    Bragging no.

    Just not whining like a little girl and trying to convince everyone that we all should be a whiney SOJF like you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushyTheBeaver View Post
    Yes and Rex won 4 playoff games in two years with that QB. Your pathetic coach hasn't won a SB in 8 years with the best QB in the NFL. That's reality, and now the aging Brady has been surrounded by the best offensive weapons, and the stifling defense he deserves. Oh wait. It just gets worse , and worse. Face it. The Pats won with Brady, and the remnants of Parcel's team. Since they were caught cheating, and Belicheck has been responsible for the roster they've wasted every year with the best QB in the league. If Rex had Brady, he'd have won 4 SBs in his first 4 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath View Post
    U keep bragging about being 8-3 at some point in a season 5 years ago. The pats win the division every year, but hey, u remember when the jets were 8-3 once. Good times. Where is the 8-3 trophy? Must be next to those legendary back to back afc championship loss trophies.
    He keeps it next to the 11-5 missing the playoffs with Matt Cassel trophy, and the losing to the Giants trophies. Right next to your *****ing, and whining while simultaneously fellatiating Belicheck trophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY's stepchild View Post
    Yes and Rex won 4 playoff games in two years with that QB. Your pathetic coach hasn't won a SB in 8 years with the best QB in the NFL. That's reality, and now the aging Brady has been surrounded by the best offensive weapons, and the stifling defense he deserves. Oh wait. It just gets worse , and worse. Face it. The Pats won with Brady, and the remnants of Parcel's team. Since they were caught cheating, and Belicheck has been responsible for the roster they've wasted every year with the best QB in the league. If Rex had Brady, he'd have won 4 SBs in his first 4 years.
    He'd win a lot of Super Bowls with a HoF quarterback combined with a top 5-10 defense and rushing game? Way to go out on a limb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASG0531 View Post
    He'd win a lot of Super Bowls with a HoF quarterback combined with a top 5-10 defense and rushing game? Way to go out on a limb.
    The same players were not even a good defense the year before. Rex made thm great. Belicheck is supposed to be a defensive genius, yet in 12 years in charge of the roster cannot even put an average defense on the field. He lucked into the best QB in the NFL for a 6th round pick, but still cannot win a SB without Parcell's team, or cheating. You're right. It's not much of a limb. It should be common knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASG0531 View Post
    He'd win a lot of Super Bowls with a HoF quarterback combined with a top 5-10 defense and rushing game? Way to go out on a limb.
    It's the formula that Pats fans use to tell everyone that VideoBill is the bestest HC ever though.

    So which is it, a product of the coach or the team. You need to come up with a steady story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY's stepchild View Post
    The same players were not even a good defense the year before. Rex made thm great. Belicheck is supposed to be a defensive genius, yet in 12 years in charge of the roster cannot even put an average defense on the field. He lucked into the best QB in the NFL for a 6th round pick, but still cannot win a SB without Parcell's team, or cheating. You're right. It's not much of a limb. It should be common knowledge.
    I've always thought he was over rated as a DC. He had a great D with the Giants. I would with LT, Carson, Reasons, Banks, Marshall, etc, etc.

    Other than those stacked D's hes had a handful of good D's, none that dominated or where the backbone of the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY's stepchild View Post
    The same players were not even a good defense the year before. Rex made thm great. Belicheck is supposed to be a defensive genius, yet in 12 years in charge of the roster cannot even put an average defense on the field. He lucked into the best QB in the NFL for a 6th round pick, but still cannot win a SB without Parcell's team, or cheating. You're right. It's not much of a limb. It should be common knowledge.
    You're right, Rex has been by far the better Defensive Coordinator than Belichick over the last 4 years.

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    If Belichick does not qualify as a great coach, then there are no great coaches.




    Multiple Super Bowls and one of the longest runs of sustained regular season dominance in the history of football.

    But he's only above-average at drafting, so he sucks. He might even be "good." People who disagree need to take a look around the league. If Belichick isn't a good drafter, then there can't be more than 6-7 teams in the league that draft well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Nut View Post
    It's the formula that Pats fans use to tell everyone that VideoBill is the bestest HC ever though.

    So which is it, a product of the coach or the team. You need to come up with a steady story.
    Which is what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB1089 View Post
    If Belichick does not qualify as a great coach, then there are no great coaches.




    Multiple Super Bowls and one of the longest runs of sustained regular season dominance in the history of football.

    But he's only above-average at drafting, so he sucks. He might even be "good." People who disagree need to take a look around the league. If Belichick isn't a good drafter, then there can't be more than 6-7 teams in the league that draft well.
    If he is a "good" drafter and a defensive guru please explain why his defense has been awful the last 7 or.8 years. You clearly think he drafts good defensive players and he is known for choosing defense, so how do you explain this anomaly?
    The patriots win every year for one reason, Tom Brady. You can't hide the fact that belichick has a losing record as a head coach without Brady.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revischrist View Post
    If he is a "good" drafter and a defensive guru please explain why his defense has been awful the last 7 or.8 years. You clearly think he drafts good defensive players and he is known for choosing defense, so how do you explain this anomaly?
    The patriots win every year for one reason, Tom Brady. You can't hide the fact that belichick has a losing record as a head coach without Brady.

    "He had great players" is not a valid criticism of great coaches...in any sport. Sports history is littered with talented teams that never won anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB1089 View Post
    "He had great players" is not a valid criticism of great coaches...in any sport. Sports history is littered with talented teams that never won anything.
    You're completely missing the point. It's ok to win with great players, we all know that you can't win with bad players. The point is that belichick has only won on the back of one player. In his other 5-7 years as a head coach, without Brady, he had zero playoff wins and a losing record.
    Belichick is also a defensive guru that hadn't had a good defense in nearly a decade.

    Either way, you are arguing about coaching because it's tough to defend his ability as a gm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY's stepchild View Post
    The same players were not even a good defense the year before. Rex made thm great. Belicheck is supposed to be a defensive genius, yet in 12 years in charge of the roster cannot even put an average defense on the field. He lucked into the best QB in the NFL for a 6th round pick, but still cannot win a SB without Parcell's team, or cheating. You're right. It's not much of a limb. It should be common knowledge.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Nut View Post
    It's the formula that Pats fans use to tell everyone that VideoBill is the bestest HC ever though.

    So which is it, a product of the coach or the team. You need to come up with a steady story.
    well said. Belicheat is a fraud. Before Tammy's arrival he was 5-11 and 0-2 in NE. I am sure we don't need to mention his tenure at Cleveland which was a disaster.

    Quote Originally Posted by JB1089 View Post
    "He had great players" is not a valid criticism of great coaches...in any sport. Sports history is littered with talented teams that never won anything.
    Hey troll, great coaches don't cheat.

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    FACT

    until 2006 Pioli had the final say on the draft and the Pats drafted very well. Before that draft Beliache demanded final draft control (the Parcells groceries thing) or he was quitting. Kraft caved in and so began the string of bust laden drafts (maroney, meriwether etc) which if you look it up provided the Pats with few players still on the team. Then it aopeared to all that Beliache had finally turned it around with two star tight ends.

    Not so fast, Beli whiffed again with Gronk's obvious PED abuses causing his body to fall apart and Hernandez brutally murdering folks and on his way to life without parole (after the cheater extended him for 40 mill)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB1089 View Post
    "He had great players" is not a valid criticism of great coaches...in any sport. Sports history is littered with talented teams that never won anything.
    Belicheck hasn't won in 8 years even with Brady in his prime. So I guess he would be one of those examples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2 View Post
    Which has proven to be false. You're going to have to stop relying on Mike & Mike for your info.
    Oh, it's been proven to be false just because you happened to dig up some article stating the opposite? Meanwhile, Mike and Mike said just two days ago that your hero, that POS gangbanger was removed from everyone's draft board.

    There both media sources. So what makes your media source any better than mine? What because you sit home and eat donuts all day, that makes you smarter than everyone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY's stepchild View Post
    Belicheck hasn't won in 8 years even with Brady in his prime. So I guess he would be one of those examples.
    How does that make any sense?

    He has already won 3 Super Bowls with Brady.

    How many Super Bowls did Don Shula (top 5 coach) and Dan Marino (top 5 QB) win with each other?

    I nearly lose my mind when I hear someone try to criticize someone who's won 3 Super Bowls for not having won "recently."

    He really should have won more. Because there's no competition for Super Bowls, and so many people have 3 that he really needs that 4th to distinguish himself.

    I'll go back to Shula for a second. He coached the final 22 seasons of his career without winning another Super Bowl. So what? He already had 2 and continued to enjoy tremendous regular season success for the rest of his career, throwing in a pair of additional Super Bowl appearances.


    Any attempt to diminish Belichick's legacy is absurd. He's already in the pantheon of NFL coaches, regardless of what he does for the rest of his career.

    If you want to focus in on his drafting in some vain attempt to expose a supposed fault, then give me the people that have done a better job. You'll get 6 or 7 names and that will be it. He's an overrated drafter, but only because some members of the media try to make him out to be the best at it.

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