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  1. #81
    the pats will win 11 or 12 games like they alwasy do. until brady and belichick are gone, that will be the norm

  2. #82
    Only thing I'd like to know is how many times was it the opposing offense ****ing up as opposed to their D actually stopping them.

    In any event, their D doesn't scare me one bit. Our offense, however, terrifies me.

  3. #83
    Brady doesn't hold the ball at his age as long as he used too. Welker always bailed him out & I don't think there has ever been a QB & WR combo as prolific for 5 years.
    You take away so many weapons & Rex will find a way to slow them down.
    Without the offense that they have used to force other teams to take more chances, the Pats D will be on the field a lot longer than they have in a decade.
    Will they hold up having to defense more plays?
    That is the question.
    Much more chance of injuries too if the D has to be on the field a lot longer, something they have never had to deal with.
    Now if they lost Wilfork, they would truly blow chunks! He's no spring chicken & is entering those 30s where guys start to break down.
    The 1 thing I do know, the Pats will not be Superbowl contenders.
    Denver is far superior with the addition of Welker & that will be proven at Gillette when these 2 teams meet.

  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by McGinley View Post
    Only thing I'd like to know is how many times was it the opposing offense ****ing up as opposed to their D actually stopping them.

    In any event, their D doesn't scare me one bit. Our offense, however, terrifies me.
    The pats defense is predicated on the other team making errors. They give up a lot of short passes and wants the other team to have a 12-16 play drive to score. A dropped pass, a stumble in the backfield and it is 3rd and 9 and the other team will get 7yards and punt or a field goal. So in 12 plays the other team can not have back to back poor plays. They play the run very well with the 255lb lLB and force the other team to beat them by air. And the passing game is where most errors are made in football. The other team will get 300 yards passing and lose by 17 points.
    Last edited by patman; 07-07-2013 at 09:29 AM.

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by patman View Post
    The pats defense is predicated on the other team making errors. They give up a lot of short passes and wants the other team to have a 12-16 play drive to score. A dropped pass, a stumble in the backfield and it is 3rd and 9 and the other team will get 7yards and punt or a field goal. So in 12 plays the other team can not have back to back poor plays. They play the run very well with the 255lb lLB and force the other team to beat them by air. And the passing game is where most errors are made in football.
    Add lolchez to that scenario.

    Ouch...

  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by patman View Post
    Why are you including Gronk in that? He will be playing next year. Do you also think that Fells and Ballard and Amendola are going to miss as much time as they did last year.

    No they will most likley not get the same production as the previous year. but do you think that they won't be top 5 with Ridley, Vereen Washington, Ballard and Blount. Much is made about Welker and Hernandez not being on the team and rightfully so. But why do you think they won't be able to put in some new plays and scheme around the loss. Ballard and Amendola are not chopped Liver neither are Fells, Donald Jones or Jenkins and Endleman.

    Some of the posters seem to think that the pats are not going to be able to field a team next year as they will all be on the injured list for the whole 16 games. The Bills loses on the oline now leaves the pats with the best running game in the East and one of the best in the whole AFC
    I look to Revis. Revis had an off year when all he did was hold out and did not got into football shape by the start of the year. Gronk is coming off of 5 surgeries including one on his back. He is starting from a much tougher position and is already very injury prone. We will never agree on this but I do think they will be a dramatically worse team because their offense will fall off so much.

  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by jetster View Post
    Brady doesn't hold the ball at his age as long as he used too. Welker always bailed him out & I don't think there has ever been a QB & WR combo as prolific for 5 years.
    You take away so many weapons & Rex will find a way to slow them down.
    Without the offense that they have used to force other teams to take more chances, the Pats D will be on the field a lot longer than they have in a decade.
    Will they hold up having to defense more plays?
    That is the question.
    Much more chance of injuries too if the D has to be on the field a lot longer, something they have never had to deal with.
    Now if they lost Wilfork, they would truly blow chunks! He's no spring chicken & is entering those 30s where guys start to break down.
    The 1 thing I do know, the Pats will not be Superbowl contenders.
    Denver is far superior with the addition of Welker & that will be proven at Gillette when these 2 teams meet.
    Denver is one of the most overrated teams in the league. They had a cupcake schedule last year (six games against the AFC West alone made them guaranteed to go 6-10 even if the started their practice squad players all season). The Broncos may be better than the Pats, but that is yet to be seen. But they are nearly as good as the media make them. They lost to almost every good team they faced last year.

  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by McGinley View Post
    Add lolchez to that scenario.

    Ouch...
    A lot of that scenario is true. The Pats have always played a Bend, Don't Break offense. From 2009-2011, it was a lot of Bend and Break offense. But last year, not so much.

  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Rob0729 View Post
    2006 suggests it. In 2006, the Pats were 7th highest scoring offense (24.1 PPG) with Reche Caldwell as Brady's leading receiver and rest of his receiving corp consisting of an over the hill Troy Brown, Doug Gabriel, Jabar Gaffney, Chad Jackson, Kelvin Kight, and Bam Childress with Daniel Graham and Ben Watson as their TEs and Kevin Faulk (who might have been their best receiver that year) at RB. Even with the question marks on the Pats' receiving corp, the 2013 Pats' receiving corp is significantly better than the 2006 receiving corp. Plus, the Pats have a much better running game than 2006.

    The Pats' offense may suck this year, but as long as they have Brady, a very good o-line, a good running game, and McDaniels; odds are they will be a top 10 offense especially if Gronk is ready for the start of the season or close to it.
    24.1 is 10 points worse than last year, and NEs defense is not a competitive defense in close games. They give the illusion of competence because the Patriots got ahead and forced teams to press for points.

  10. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by johnnysd View Post
    I look to Revis. Revis had an off year when all he did was hold out and did not got into football shape by the start of the year. Gronk is coming off of 5 surgeries including one on his back. He is starting from a much tougher position and is already very injury prone. We will never agree on this but I do think they will be a dramatically worse team because their offense will fall off so much.
    Gronk didn't miss a single game in his first 46 regular season games plus four playoff appearances. How is he injury prone?

    And every player responds to missing offseasons differently. But even if Gronk comes back at 80%, he is still a top 5 TE in the league. Gronk could come back not missing a beat or be a shell of his former self. There are players who go both ways.

    Also, I would argue that CB may be a tougher position to come into the season cold because you have rely on speed and have a lot of twitch moves that opens you up to more injuries like the ones that hampered Revis when he came back like hamstring pulls.

    As of right now, the Pats look to be a worse team, maybe much worse. But this is the NFL where a team like the 49ers who came into the 2011 season as the universal favorite to be the #1 pick in the 2012 draft ended up going to the NFC Championship Game. You can't count out Brady and Belichick. The 2006 team was worse than this one and it was about a minute away from going to the Super Bowl (and probably would have won against a flawed Bears team).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob0729 View Post
    Denver is one of the most overrated teams in the league. They had a cupcake schedule last year (six games against the AFC West alone made them guaranteed to go 6-10 even if the started their practice squad players all season). The Broncos may be better than the Pats, but that is yet to be seen. But they are nearly as good as the media make them. They lost to almost every good team they faced last year.
    They did have an easy schedule... And they won 11 straight games.

    Are you going to really begrudge them losing three early games (all against good teams) that short into Peyton's comeback after not playing for a year?

    Broncos are clearly the current favorites in the AFC. Doesn't mean Pats, Ravens, Steelers, Bengals, or Texans don't have a shot. But they're the favorites for a reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    They did have an easy schedule... And they won 11 straight games.

    Are you going to really begrudge them losing three early games (all against good teams) that short into Peyton's comeback after not playing for a year?

    Broncos are clearly the current favorites in the AFC. Doesn't mean Pats, Ravens, Steelers, Bengals, or Texans don't have a shot. But they're the favorites for a reason.
    And 99.5% of the time win the game against Baltimore, only losing on a ridiculously bad defensive play at the end of the game.

  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by johnnysd View Post
    24.1 is 10 points worse than last year, and NEs defense is not a competitive defense in close games. They give the illusion of competence because the Patriots got ahead and forced teams to press for points.
    So when a team wins a close game where both teams score in the 20s or 30s their defense doesn't do as well when they blow out a team and hold them in the teens? Go figure.

    The Pats shutdown Manning and the Broncos for three quarters. Shutdown the Texans pretty much twice. They held Indy to 24 points with 7 coming in garbage time. Those were all very good offenses last year.

    The Pats only allowed teams to score more than 21 points seven time during the regular season. Of those seven games, three of the opposing teams score points after the Pats had a significant lead to get them above the 20 point mark.

    Again, I would never put the Pats' defense above average to slightly above average (and not all the time), but it was not remotely close to the disaster you and others make it out to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASG0531 View Post
    If you can't understand the difference in media attention of Tebow at Jets camp in 2012 vs. Tebow at Pats camp in 2013 then I just don't know what to tell you.


    This whole situation basically screams, "you will fail just like us! Please don't prove to be any better at this than us!"




    No, it basically screams, we are the New England patriots, and nothing negative can happen to us, we abide by the patriot way.

    Lets see how that works out for ya

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    They did have an easy schedule... And they won 11 straight games.

    Are you going to really begrudge them losing three early games (all against good teams) that short into Peyton's comeback after not playing for a year?

    Broncos are clearly the current favorites in the AFC. Doesn't mean Pats, Ravens, Steelers, Bengals, or Texans don't have a shot. But they're the favorites for a reason.
    The Jets last year could have won at least 7 or 8 of the 11 games that the Broncos won in a row last year. It was a cream puff schedule against some of the worst teams in the league. There were at least a half dozen to a dozen teams that could have gone 11-0 or 10-1 over that stretch.

    The Broncos are a good team. One of the best in the league. But they are not nearly as good as the media make them. They could be the best team in a weak AFC conference, but I wouldn't bet on it though. Put them in the NFC and they would probably be the fifth best team in that conference.

    There is a reason why the Broncos were one and done in the playoffs last year. They were a team that went up against a buch of tin cans and weren't ready to play with the big boys in the playoffs.

    Maybe they are better this year or maybe not, but I think the loss of Dumervil is a bigger loss than Welker is as an addition. If the Broncos didn't already have Thomas and Decker, Welker would be a much bigger addition. But adding Welker doesn't mean they are going to have three receivers get over 1,000 yards. Welker is going to syphon off receptions from the other two receivers.

    Personally, I think the AFC is wide open right now with no clear favorite. The Broncos are likely to get the #1 seed because they are in the worst division in football, but I don't know yet if they can get past the first round of the playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcess View Post
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    No, it basically screams, we are the New England patriots, and nothing negative can happen to us, we abide by the patriot way.

    Lets see how that works out for ya
    No. That would be an overstatement. What is true and undeniable, however, is Tebow's been a Patriot for over a month now and we're not seeing daily stories about him like we did from the Jets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnysd View Post
    And 99.5% of the time win the game against Baltimore, only losing on a ridiculously bad defensive play at the end of the game.
    That game went to double overtime. You are saying that either team would have won a game 99.5% of the time if not for a bad defensive play that ended the game in DOUBLE OVERTIME?!? How does that even make sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReincarnatedBob View Post
    No. That would be an overstatement. What is true and undeniable, however, is Tebow's been a Patriot for over a month now and we're not seeing daily stories about him like we did from the Jets.
    Just wait vinny, the patriot way will come to TC, enjoy the circus

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcess View Post
    Just wait vinny, the patriot way will come to TC, enjoy the circus
    I tend to doubt it. This is a town where Belichick has beaten the reporter down so bad that the Pats can issue a few sentence statement about releasing Hernandez and the press seems to be fine with that being the Patriots only official response.

    The Jets invited the circus. The Pats won't. The Jets let ESPN set up camp in Cortland and broadcast live from Jets practice. Belichick won't even let reporters Tweet while practice is going on. The Jets had a press conference for Tebow when he arrived.

    Two different teams. Two different press corps. Two different approaches with the media.

    Plus there will be no QB controversy involving Tebow this year like last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob0729 View Post
    I tend to doubt it. This is a town where Belichick has beaten the reporter down so bad that the Pats can issue a few sentence statement about releasing Hernandez and the press seems to be fine with that being the Patriots only official response.

    The Jets invited the circus. The Pats won't. The Jets let ESPN set up camp in Cortland and broadcast live from Jets practice. Belichick won't even let reporters Tweet while practice is going on. The Jets had a press conference for Tebow when he arrived.

    Two different teams. Two different press corps. Two different approaches with the media.

    Plus there will be no QB controversy involving Tebow this year like last year.
    They are fine with it ? from Boston.com

    Are Patriots ever going to address Aaron Hernandez embarrassment?

    Still waiting. Silence from Patriot Place.

    Oh, yes, the New England Patriots have acted and released Aaron Hernandez in the wake of his murder allegations, describing the process as “the right thing to do,” but no member has yet to speak about the matter publicly and shed some light on how an organization that preaches righteousness swung and missed like Mark Bellhorn when it came to determining their tight end’s character. A week ago, the transaction seemed logical. But with every hour producing a new tale of just how messed up Hernandez is, it’s only logical to wonder how much the Patriots knew, and how much they ignored.

    I mean, you don’t just deliver $40 million contracts out of faith.

    Instead, we know what we’ll get. Bill Belichick will take the podium later this month at the dawn of training camp and dodge every question tossed his way with regards to “what’s best for the team,” the same way he deftly handled the New Hampshire political reporters and whatever other ratings-grabbing brigade was sent to Foxborough on the first day of Tim Tebow coverage. It’s what Bill does best, after all. And it’s tired.

    “It is what it is” ain’t what it was in this particular case. The more we learn about Hernandez’s past, the more the Patriots owe us all an explanation. How exactly was their judgment clouded so impeccably, even as former teammates like Matt Light opine in the aftermath about what a bad guy he was? With all due apologies to the salacious hound dogs at the Patriots’ temple over at Boston Sports Media Watch, the status quo that Belichick preaches won’t cut it.

    The fans and the rest of the NFL deserve more knowledge than that.

    It’s difficult to believe that the Patriots, a franchise that has prided itself on background checks, didn’t know that there was more to Hernandez than met the eye. Hell, the marijuana issues aside, Hernandez’s past reads like a Spenser novel. How soon until we get an Aaron Hernandez special edition of “Clue?”

    The Patriots want to lead you to believe that they had a model, reformed citizen on their hands in Hernandez, that any troubled past was merely a matter of puff, puff, pass the dutchie on the left-hand side and nothing more. His teammates sure seemed to know. How did his employers miss the boat so egregiously?

    Fans will line up this weekend to exchange their “Pro Shop-purchased” Hernandez jerseys during the Patriots’ PR stint to put the past behind them. It’s OK to continue wearing it apparently if you bought your jersey at Sports Authority. If the Pats were serious about ridding the streets and stands of its tainted criminal’s name on people’s backs, no questions should be asked. They can handle that as they deftly proved with Hernandez.

    There has to be a disgruntled backlash in the locker room, and not just because the team released a guy for reasons other than having diabetes. Hernandez’s criminal past could have affected Tom Brady, Rob Gronkowski, or any other teammate the same way it did victim Odin Lloyd. What if Stevan Ridley was the one to find out that Hernandez may have murdered two people in cold blood last summer? Do you think he would skirt any sort of cover up from a guy who theoretically took three days to plot Lloyd’s murder and still butchered the process so badly that the likes of Clouseau would consider the case a waste of time?

    To say the Patriots made a huge error in tossing their good faith at Hernandez is an understatement, yet we’ve heard nothing from the owner, the coach, or the quarterback about how they went so astray. Unless you’ve already Hale-Bopped your allegiance, doesn’t that make you in the least bit frustrated?

    Sorry, the Patriots owe you that much.

    This is no longer a matter of what did they know and when did they know it, but a situation that needs some semblance of closure from the franchise. They were the ones who took a fourth-round flyer when nobody else would, after all. They were the ones who awarded him with millions just days within a suspected double murder. They were the ones who kept him around, the reason he was in our community.

    Three men are dead that we know of. Who knows what the evening will bring.

    One thing we’re pretty sure of, it won’t include a Patriots apology or admittance of fault. That’s not the Patriot Way, of course. Then again, as we’re rapidly discovering, the Patriots Way is a bogus load of tripe.

    And we continue to wait, as an exposed institution shows its true, cowardly colors.

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