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    Quote Originally Posted by NY's stepchild View Post
    I was saying to the others that a sore shoulder doesn't sideline a CB. He does seem to have a chronically bad shoulder, but it seems he plays through it, then gets surgery to clean it up when he can. Not the same as being injury prone.
    Got ya

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddyld View Post
    Sheldon reminds me of Josh Evans. Anybody remember him? His first year with the Jets his getoff was filthy. He was always collapsing the pocket. I can see Richardson doing that.
    I think that had to do with the maturing of Ferguson. Jerry Jones gave Jason hard coin to do the same thing for his team.

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    I have a really good feeling about these rookies. sheldon I think will have the most impact of any jet rookie in quite some time-- a guy like him should really help elevate the play of wilk/coples. this is the new sack exchange gentlemen

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddyld View Post
    Sheldon reminds me of Josh Evans. Anybody remember him? His first year with the Jets his getoff was filthy. He was always collapsing the pocket. I can see Richardson doing that.
    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by McGinley View Post
    Definitely the right picks. I just hope we get to see a bunch of Dee. Shel, I agree, will crush the pocket early and often.
    Richardson and Brady are going to be very well acquainted soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    Richardson and Brady are going to be very well acquainted soon.
    Is Brady into BBC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBIII View Post
    Im really excited to watch these two play.

    Hopefully Milliner can step in and make us miss Revis a lot less...

    And hopefully Richardson can find his place and be a ****ing beat along with Mo and Coples..
    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jets-d-...3889--nfl.html

    FLORHAM PARK, N.J. (AP) -- Antonio Garay used to scoot around San Diego in a little, red Smart Car with huge Hello Kitty faces decorating each door.

    The funny photos of the former Charger and current New York Jets nose tackle squeezing his 6-foot-4, 320-pound frame into the attention-grabbing but environmentally friendly vehicle were all over the Internet a year ago.
    But, new Jets teammate Quinton Coples had no idea - until he was shown the proof.

    ''Wow,'' a laughing Coples said, shaking his head in disbelief. ''That says a lot right there. I need to speak to that guy about this, like ASAP!''
    The 33-year-old Garay is one of the newest, most-experienced - and, perhaps, most fun-loving - members of the Jets' revamped and close-knit defensive line that is considered perhaps New York's biggest strength heading into training camp in a few weeks.

    ''I've been trying to keep a lot of that on the down-low,'' said a smiling Garay, in his second stint with the Jets after signing as a free agent in March following four seasons with the Chargers. ''I've been downplaying the car and all that - because they told me that Quinton Coples is a big Pikachu fan, so I didn't want to steal any of his thunder.''

    Well, he no longer has the Hello Kitty car, but Garay still drives a Smart Car, a red and black one that defensive line coach Karl Dunbar says is ''about the size of my desk.''

    All the jokes and jabs - such as Garay begging rookie first-rounder Sheldon Richardson to leave his T-shirt on at all times - have made for some lighthearted moments among the Jets' defensive linemen this offseason.
    ''You never know what you're going to get when you walk into that room because we have a bunch of comedians in there,'' Dunbar said. ''It's a pretty good room, we're having fun and there's already a lot of camaraderie with that group.''

    That's even after allowing Mike DeVito and Sione Po'uha, both respected and productive team leaders, to leave as free agents.
    There are rising stars such as Coples and Muhammad Wilkerson, the savvy and silly vet in Garay and youngsters such as Richardson, Kenrick Ellis and Damon Harrison looking to make their marks.

    Dunbar is also interested in seeing how a few others such as Lanier Coleman, Jake McDonough, Junior Aumavae and Tevita Finau perform in camp in Cortland, N.Y.
    ''I'm excited about the group I have,'' Dunbar said. ''I'm not going to try to sit here and downplay it.''

    Dunbar certainly knows talent when he sees it. Now in his second season on Rex Ryan's staff, Dunbar spent the previous six years in Minnesota and helped turn the Vikings' defensive line into arguably the best in the NFL with Kevin Williams, Pat Williams, Ray Edwards and Jared Allen leading the way.
    Minnesota allowed the fewest rushing yards in the NFL during Dunbar's tenure there, and the Vikings were the first team since the AFL-NFL merger in 1970 to lead the league in rushing defense for three straight years. The Jets finished a disappointing 26th against the run in Dunbar's first year, but now the goal is to be No. 1.

    ''When we assessed our defensive line after the season was over and after free agency and we lost a couple of guys, we decided that, if you have big guys who can run, this defense could be phenomenal,'' Dunbar said. ''I think we did that by adding Sheldon with the 13th pick and then adding Garay, I really like where we stand right now.''

    Added Harrison: ''It's crazy, man. The athleticism of this line is so scary. This season is going to be fun.''
    And it all starts with Wilkerson, the team's first-round pick in 2011 who has consistently improved in his first two seasons and played well enough last season to garner Pro Bowl consideration. Individual success will come, Wilkerson believes, because of the way the defensive line expects to play.
    ''We know Coach Dunbar had dominant guys (in Minnesota) and we want to be dominant - not like them, but in our own way,'' Wilkerson said. ''We want to be one of the most dominant fronts in the league.''

    Coples will be sliding from the defensive end spot he mostly played as a rookie last season to alternating between outside linebacker and the line. Last year's first-round pick led the team in sacks with a modest 5 1-2, and he and the Jets are expecting more this season.

    ''I'm just looking at getting to the quarterback and I think that's what this team looks for from me,'' Coples said. ''And I want to make sure that each and every day I'm working at that, whether it's playing D-line or outside linebacker.''

    While sacks are the sexy statistic, Dunbar insists he doesn't get caught up in the numbers. Last season, the Jets finished tied for 25th in the NFL with 30 sacks, but Dunbar - as Ryan has often said - believes the key to a dominant defense is controlling the run and putting pressure on the quarterback.
    ''Everybody loves the sack, but you can't get them every down, every day,'' Dunbar said. ''The thing we work on as a team and understand is that we're going to be disruptive and if the sacks come, they come. But we can't get frustrated just because the media is saying we're not getting sacks. If we can force your quarterback into bad decisions with our big guys, I'm just as happy.''

    Dunbar and the players also think talk about whether the Jets primarily play a 3-4 defensive front or a 4-3 is misguided. To them, sometimes what you see isn't necessarily an indicator of the team's approach.
    ''Truth is, we play different fronts and everybody on our D-line can play multiple positions,'' Wilkerson said. ''So it doesn't really matter with that 3-4 or 4-3 stuff. Me, Snacks (Harrison) and Q (Coples) - we all can play any position.''


    It's that mix of athletic big men up front that the Jets think will make it tougher this season for opponents.
    ''They have to respect all four of us, or all three, or whoever's down there at the end of the day,'' Coples said. ''That's what gives us the potential to be great, and that's what we're looking forward to.''
    Dunbar believes this Jets group has ''the potential to be better'' than the ones he had in Minnesota. But he knows there's plenty of work still to be done - beyond all the laughs.

    ''Bill Parcells used to say it all the time: 'You haven't done it yet,' and this group hasn't done it yet,'' Dunbar said. ''We have to get out on the field and do it, and then maybe 10 years from now, we can look back and say, 'Yeah, this was a pretty good group.'

    ''We're in the position where we have some really nice pieces and now the pieces have to show up.''

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    I liked both picks, I just wanted Jones at #13. Guy was the best pass rusher in college and everyone knows we needed another OLB. But you gotta trust rex, when it comes to defense

  9. #29
    I'm psyched to see what our defense as a whole can do, although our secondary has some question marks. On the other hand, our offense looks like a barren disaster on paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meatboy View Post
    I liked both picks, I just wanted Jones at #13. Guy was the best pass rusher in college and everyone knows we needed another OLB. But you gotta trust rex, when it comes to defense
    Rex realized you can't just run around the edges anymore for sacks.
    Refs allow too much holding to preserve the QBs.
    So, what do you do?
    You put together a big strong group of quick twitch 300Lbers that can use their power & quickness to muddle the pocket.
    You then sign a guy like Barnes that has had actual success in the sack department to clean the QBs that get flushed.
    You then pray that a guy like Sapp, whom Rex has been grooming & trying to get fully healthy to fill the role of Barnes so you always have fresh legs into the 4th quarter.
    Most people thought Floyd was the best Dlineman, but the draft proved that Richardson was on more boards as the top guy.
    While Jet fans were shocked in the Sheldon choice, I guarantee you that other teams that were lining him up as their next choice were more shocked & disappointed when his name got called.
    The much respected Gil Brandt was talking Sheldon up on Sirius NFL network.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetster View Post
    Rex realized you can't just run around the edges anymore for sacks.
    Refs allow too much holding to preserve the QBs.
    So, what do you do?
    You put together a big strong group of quick twitch 300Lbers that can use their power & quickness to muddle the pocket.
    You then sign a guy like Barnes that has had actual success in the sack department to clean the QBs that get flushed.
    You then pray that a guy like Sapp, whom Rex has been grooming & trying to get fully healthy to fill the role of Barnes so you always have fresh legs into the 4th quarter.
    Most people thought Floyd was the best Dlineman, but the draft proved that Richardson was on more boards as the top guy.
    While Jet fans were shocked in the Sheldon choice, I guarantee you that other teams that were lining him up as their next choice were more shocked & disappointed when his name got called.
    The much respected Gil Brandt was talking Sheldon up on Sirius NFL network.
    All 3 of the Jets top picks were in Brandt's top fifteen before the draft. He really likes Geno Smith

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetster View Post
    Rex realized you can't just run around the edges anymore for sacks.
    Refs allow too much holding to preserve the QBs.
    So, what do you do?
    You put together a big strong group of quick twitch 300Lbers that can use their power & quickness to muddle the pocket.
    You then sign a guy like Barnes that has had actual success in the sack department to clean the QBs that get flushed.
    You then pray that a guy like Sapp, whom Rex has been grooming & trying to get fully healthy to fill the role of Barnes so you always have fresh legs into the 4th quarter.
    Most people thought Floyd was the best Dlineman, but the draft proved that Richardson was on more boards as the top guy.
    While Jet fans were shocked in the Sheldon choice, I guarantee you that other teams that were lining him up as their next choice were more shocked & disappointed when his name got called.
    The much respected Gil Brandt was talking Sheldon up on Sirius NFL network.
    Good observation. It's going to be a great change to have guys upfront who can win one-on-one matchups across the board. With Wilks and Richardson magnetising double teams that's very good news for Barnesy, Coples and Sapp. Plus Rexy has all sorts of fiendish exotic blitzes and stunts up his sleeve. This'l be fun...

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    I personally think Dee Milner is going to be a very good cornerback. Probably never as good as Revis, but he's a once in a generation player. But I expect him to be a solid corner as a rookie if he can stay healthy, and within a year or two be a pro bowler. I'm no scout but theres just something about that guy.

    I don't know much about Richardson, but is it just me or is the NFL being flooded with young, dominant defensive lineman. Or at least potentially dominant. You look at teams like Tampa Bay and the Lions. Just in our division you got Buffalo and you guys with some good young talent. The Dolphins have one of the best defensive lines, although none of them were top picks like other teams, except for Dion Jordan now who's an exciting prospect. But mainly I'm talking about these big defensive tackles. Seems like more and more insanely fast, athletic, and strong big men come out every year. Alot of teams boast of having the potential for one of the best D-lines and it's probably true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetster View Post
    Rex realized you can't just run around the edges anymore for sacks.
    Refs allow too much holding to preserve the QBs.
    So, what do you do?
    You put together a big strong group of quick twitch 300Lbers that can use their power & quickness to muddle the pocket.
    You then sign a guy like Barnes that has had actual success in the sack department to clean the QBs that get flushed.
    You then pray that a guy like Sapp, whom Rex has been grooming & trying to get fully healthy to fill the role of Barnes so you always have fresh legs into the 4th quarter.
    Most people thought Floyd was the best Dlineman, but the draft proved that Richardson was on more boards as the top guy.
    While Jet fans were shocked in the Sheldon choice, I guarantee you that other teams that were lining him up as their next choice were more shocked & disappointed when his name got called.
    The much respected Gil Brandt was talking Sheldon up on Sirius NFL network.
    If you watch film of Coples rushing off the edge last year it's pretty encouraging. He's knocking these athletic LTs back 3 feet, and ripping inside of them straight toward the QB. If Pouha, or Ellis had been healthy, and anchoring the middle last year, Wilks and Coples would have caused more havoc. Coples may not be that quick around the outside, but if he gets that LT anchoring for the bull rush, he's quick enough. Can't wait to see it.

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    Good thread. We have touched on this subject a few times before and there are certainly tremendously intriguing possibilities almost everywhere you look on the DL but just to repeat, the player who is under the radar right now and who may end up being a huge factor for us this year is Kenrick Ellis.

    The time to shine is right now Kenrick.

    More than a year removed from your troubles. No longer sitting behind respected veterans on the depth chart and now, in year three you have had time to assimilate what is going on around you. Time to stay healthy and kick some ass this year.

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    I applaud what Rex is doing on the D-line, and can justify it because in order to win the AFC East you need to beat the Pats. In order to beat the Pats, you need to bring pressure from the D-line like the Giants and Ravens do.

    I'm incredibly optimistic about Sheldon Richardson - he seems like he's got the personality type to be a very mean man in the NFL. And I love the fact that he played at Mizzou as one of the best players on a sh*tty team in the SEC. He's hungry.

    Looking forward to seeing how Rex shuffles this around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetster View Post
    Rex realized you can't just run around the edges anymore for sacks.
    Refs allow too much holding to preserve the QBs.
    So, what do you do?
    You put together a big strong group of quick twitch 300Lbers that can use their power & quickness to muddle the pocket.
    You then sign a guy like Barnes that has had actual success in the sack department to clean the QBs that get flushed.
    You then pray that a guy like Sapp, whom Rex has been grooming & trying to get fully healthy to fill the role of Barnes so you always have fresh legs into the 4th quarter.
    Most people thought Floyd was the best Dlineman, but the draft proved that Richardson was on more boards as the top guy.
    While Jet fans were shocked in the Sheldon choice, I guarantee you that other teams that were lining him up as their next choice were more shocked & disappointed when his name got called.
    The much respected Gil Brandt was talking Sheldon up on Sirius NFL network.
    Most QBs hate pressure that comes from the middle of the pocket. Its much easier for them to step up into the pocket when edge rushers come from the outside. Look no further than Tom Brady when it comes to getting pressured up the middle. He is a vastly different QB when pressured from the middle.

    Plus, you can create great mis-matches by having pass rushers lined up against guards instead of tackles.

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    I think the dline is the most exciting thing going into the season. The potential is sky high. They could redefine the teams imagine if they all play to their ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FijiJet View Post
    Good observation. It's going to be a great change to have guys upfront who can win one-on-one matchups across the board. With Wilks and Richardson magnetising double teams that's very good news for Barnesy, Coples and Sapp. Plus Rexy has all sorts of fiendish exotic blitzes and stunts up his sleeve. This'l be fun...
    Plus I think our secondary is going to be even better this year. Milliner is going to end up being a stud and drafting him has pushed Kyle Wilson to work alot harder and he's been blowing away Rex in the practices.

    Better coverage = More blitzes


    A big problem with our defense and why we couldn't blitz as much or as effectively last couple years was the secondary fell apart. First we had Eric Smith getting blown up on a weekly basis by every tight end in the NFL then the next year Revis gets hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jets31 View Post
    I think the dline is the most exciting thing going into the season. The potential is sky high. They could redefine the teams imagine if they all play to their ability.
    While I support Geno winning the job in camp if I was drafting in the 2nd rd I would have taken the Eastern Bloc Margus Hunt 6'8 277 and runs a 4.6 with what we already have that might have been insane.. I would have waited till next year to take a top line QB although getting Geno in the 2nd makes it hard to complain about..

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