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    Quote Originally Posted by SONNY WERBLIN View Post
    If you read my post you would see I said that these animals "would not even exist if it was not for the fact that they are intended for human consumption" So, think I do realize that humans created these animals.

    And yes, we are not eating them to "control" their population, but once again explain how we control animal populations if you remove humans from the food chain?

    We may not be stuck with billions of livestock animals "overnight", but their are "billions" of them, and unless you intend to expand the reach of planned parenthood into the animal world, they will be re-producing. They can not live in the wild. Do we sterilize them into extinction? What on earth do we do with them.

    Or do you feel, making light of my question allows you to maintain your superior intellectual position without actually getting your hands dirty?
    I didn't make light of the question, I just pointed out that it was kinda dumb. The world becoming vegan will take years and years to happen. It starts with less demand for animal products, then less will be produced. Like I said, it wouldn't happen overnight, so your justification for eating animals in order to control their population is not a valid one. I'm sure you have plenty of other excuses though.

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    I had a terrific Peter Luger steak sandwich for lunch today..

    wow, that place makes a great porterhouse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jets Things View Post
    Could have kept that quiet and backed up your other points with sources, but you haaaad to throw it in. Because you're a vegan.
    No, I figured it was kinda relevant since he directly told me that the food I eat is treated worse than the bulls. I was definitely justified in stating that I am a vegan. Not that I need justification.

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    and I guess the rest of us are justified in stating that you are a frigging moron in that case

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gastineau99 View Post
    I didn't make light of the question, I just pointed out that it was kinda dumb. The world becoming vegan will take years and years to happen. It starts with less demand for animal products, then less will be produced. Like I said, it wouldn't happen overnight, so your justification for eating animals in order to control their population is not a valid one. I'm sure you have plenty of other excuses though.
    No, it won't take "years and years" to happen.

    It will NEVER happen.

    Humans have been eating meat since the days when cavemen were clubbing sabre tooth tigers in the f*cking head and then preparing them.

    You say eating meat is "wrong" when humans have been doing it since the stone ages.

    Now settle down and go have a wheat grass shake while I finish this lovely rack of ribs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sg3 View Post
    I had a terrific Peter Luger steak sandwich for lunch today..

    wow, that place makes a great porterhouse

    Stop trolling. We all know you are too old to travel to Brooklyn without stopping for a nap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gastineau99 View Post
    Stop trolling. We all know you are too old to travel to Brooklyn without stopping for a nap.
    GFY vegan jerk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gastineau99 View Post
    No, I figured it was kinda relevant since he directly told me that the food I eat is treated worse than the bulls. I was definitely justified in stating that I am a vegan. Not that I need justification.
    And I'm sure you always are. Every time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gastineau99 View Post
    Stop trolling. We all know you are too old to travel to Brooklyn without stopping for a nap.
    Ok, this was funny.

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    Gast, I admire your love and respect for animals. I am also an animal lover although I do eat meat. I would prefer that all of our meat came from privately owned family farms where the animals are taken care of and held in reverence. Sadly this is not the case and I think we do pay the price for that as a society. My grandparents were from farms in Italy and I was always taught to have an appreciation and respect for anyone or anything that provided me with sustenance.

    But you should not try to force feed your values down the throats of others. Very few people are receptive to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    Gast, I admire your love and respect for animals. I am also an animal lover although I do eat meat. I would prefer that all of our meat came from privately owned family farms where the animals are taken care of and held in reverence. Sadly this is not the case and I think we do pay the price for that as a society. My grandparents were from farms in Italy and I was always taught to have an appreciation and respect for anyone or anything that provided me with sustenance.

    But you should not try to force feed your values down the throats of others. Very few people are receptive to that.


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    Another thing that bothers me are these vegans and vegetarians who eat "soy burgers" and the like.

    If you're so offended by meat, then why the hell would you eat imitation meat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Untouchable View Post
    No, it won't take "years and years" to happen.

    It will NEVER happen.

    Humans have been eating meat since the days when cavemen were clubbing sabre tooth tigers in the f*cking head and then preparing them.

    You say eating meat is "wrong" when humans have been doing it since the stone ages.

    Now settle down and go have a wheat grass shake while I finish this lovely rack of ribs.
    It's happening right now, dummy. Scientists have said that in order for the human population to continue to thrive we will eventually have to adapt to plant based diets. Land an resources are too valuable to continue to throw it away to raise and kill animals. As populations grow, humans will have to evolve... or devolve to our originally intended diets.

    Also, where are you getting this information about early humans clubbing saber toothed tigers and eating them? Early humans were herbivores, that's why we have the anatomy of such. We started eating meat out of desperation and our bodies have adapted to be more tolerant of it.

    You should do your research before throwing crap out there and hoping it sticks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gastineau99 View Post
    Stop trolling. We all know you are too old to travel to Brooklyn without stopping for a nap.
    Ok, that one made me lol. Nicely done, Gasty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    Gast, I admire your love and respect for animals. I am also an animal lover although I do eat meat. I would prefer that all of our meat came from privately owned family farms where the animals are taken care of and held in reverence. Sadly this is not the case and I think we do pay the price for that as a society. My grandparents were from farms in Italy and I was always taught to have an appreciation and respect for anyone or anything that provided me with sustenance.

    But you should not try to force feed your values down the throats of others. Very few people are receptive to that.
    There is no such thing as an animal lover that eats meat. LOL

    I dont really give a sh*t what meat eaters are receptive to. Animals are receptive to being raped, seperated from families and kept in sh*t conditions and abused up until they day they are packed into trucks and driven to slaughterhouses to be killed so people can feast on their flesh for pleasure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Untouchable View Post
    Humans have been eating meat since the days when cavemen were clubbing sabre tooth tigers in the f*cking head and then preparing them.

    You say eating meat is "wrong" when humans have been doing it since the stone ages.
    Humans are omnivores for a reason. There is a direct correlation between humans starting to eat meat and their brains growing larger and more intelligent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gastineau99 View Post
    No relevance. What was done to native americans is awful. I would never take part in any kind of acts of aggression and dominance like that. I was born here long after those atrocities took place. I paid for my house and land, didn't steal it from anyone. I wish I could go back in time and save the native americans, but I don't have that power. I do have the power to speak up for animals and the needless suffering they endure for human consumption. I have the power to NOT support the industries that exploit animals for profit. I do have the power to try to educate the uninformed, the lazy and the ignorant people who mindlessly support these evils, and that's what I do.
    Not piling on but that's really a poor excuse. People who buy meat from a super market have never killed an animal either. They consume it. Just like you consume the land that was taken from them.

    You make distinctions that suit your lifestyle and judge others for making different decisions but would an American Indian see your point of view on land? I doubt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Untouchable View Post
    Another thing that bothers me are these vegans and vegetarians who eat "soy burgers" and the like.

    If you're so offended by meat, then why the hell would you eat imitation meat?
    First off, what the f*ck do you care if vegans eat imitation meat? Just go back to eating your fat laden cruelty-burgers and STFU.

    Secondly, most vegans and vegetarians ate meat at one time in their life. They may have enjoyed the taste, but once they took the time to think about where it came from and how it was processed, they decided it wasn't worth the cruelty and suffering it caused to animals. Or maybe they didn't like the negative health, or the impact on the environment. Regardless of why they went veg, they might still crave these foods they grew up eating, especially as they are making the transition, so meat substitutes are a good thing. I see meat substitutes as an especially good thing in getting people to try vegan foods. Its much easier to get someone who is compassionate about animals and wants to stop eating meat to attempt to change by eating foods they have come accustomed to eating, rather than just thinking they will have to jump right in and start eating salads and raw veggies every meal. I make a bunch of different kinds of veggie burgers, seitan buffalo wings, grilled tempeh, BBQ tofu, lasagna and mac & cheese with cashew cheeses... its all great stuff and cruelty free. Half of the problem is people just don't know what great foods you can still eat after giving up meat. It's not all tofu and boring veggies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gastineau99 View Post

    Secondly, most vegans and vegetarians ate meat at one time in their life. They may have enjoyed the taste, but once they took the time to think about where it came from and how it was processed, they decided it wasn't worth the cruelty and suffering it caused to animals.
    Uh, except for the dead babies I referenced earlier in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gastineau99 View Post
    First off, what the f*ck do you care if vegans eat imitation meat?
    Why the f*ck do you care if I and others eat meat?

    Now go eat a salad and do some yoga, Suzy Q.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CleatMarks View Post
    Not piling on but that's really a poor excuse. People who buy meat from a super market have never killed an animal either. They consume it. Just like you consume the land that was taken from them.

    You make distinctions that suit your lifestyle and judge others for making different decisions but would an American Indian see your point of view on land? I doubt it.
    Nope, big difference. Me buying land didn't lead to the continued rape and pillage of Native Americans, or support an industry that profits from the raping and pillaging Natives. What were my alternatives? Eating meat is what keeps the Ag Industries going, so I don't do it and I encourage other not to do it through education and enlightenment. If there were steps I could take to go back in time and keep the Natives unharmed, please enlighten me. I would welcome it with open arms, I wouldn't lash out like a carnist at a vegan. LOL

    These are typical, absurd tu quoque arguments from guilty meat eaters looking to justify their actions. If I accidentally step on a bug or swatted a mosquito that was biting me, it doesn't in some way justify the billions of animals that suffer for no reason other than peoples bad habits, and palatable pleasures.

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