So they are saying that he does not have small hands? Phew! That's a relief then.
I also remember watching guys like Mayock (who likely watched every one of his games) discuss him missing open receivers and not being as accurate as they would like on some of the finesse throws. Again, I actually liked the pick. I was only trying to explain some of the reasons why he may have dropped in the draft.To explore this idea, I observed 8 games from Geno’s 2012 campaign. Those games were Texas, Texas Tech, Maryland, Baylor, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Iowa State, and Kansas. I used the YouTube videos of Geno Smith vs. insert opponent here in my research. The goal of this research was relatively simple
Funny thing about Mike the hypocrite... I watched the entire two rounds of the draft and the ONLY two players that were selected in which Mayock ran film of lowlights as opposed to the usual highlight package they always run were
Dee Milliner (who he had in the top five in his mock)--- one or two game highlights BUT an extensive video of him dropping the ball at the ALL IMPORTANT February combine
Geno Smith (who he had as a sure first rounder in his mock) throwing all kinds of incompletes. Must have been hard to come up with that one even for Mike the Hypocrite... since Smith had roughly a high sixties completion percentage at WVU for his entire college career
THAT Mike Mayock... quite obvious why DeeDeeNEPats would run with his analysis
Atleast in this case, there is hope that Smith can learn and be decent, so we wouldn't be forced to start a QB as soon as we pick him, unless he earns it.
I hope Smith beats Sanchez out in the competition, because it helps out the team better in the long term, but I don't want Smith to just get the job for free. If he can't beat out Sanchez, then he deserves to sit on the sideline and learn, and eventually he'll get his shot this season. But Smith running away with the job will most likely help the franchise the best moving forward.
I think the value in the pick was amazingly good, because even a league average QB elevates our team substantially at this point. I see the QB as the most important piece in an offense, so I would rather have that, than getting WRs, because now if they deem Geno to be good, they can find WRs that fit his style as best as possible. Sort of like, I'd worry about the engine first, before the battery.
I heard that if Geno got past the Jets, he was dropping like a rock before the draft, but that some team would trade up to get him. I think Geno is gone for sure to the Chiefs, if they didn't trade for Smith. He fits with Reid's philosophy of having an accurate QB that can be mobile. But having spent the 2nd rd pick on Smith, they couldn't do it.
If say Jags picked him, he'd be touted as an amazing move by Caldwell, he who refused to take on Tebow, waited patiently to have the top QB fall into his lap, and hailed as a hero. The negativity didn't start until there were rumors that the Jets were looking to trade up for him. When Noalecki (Don't remember his name well) had that piece about Geno being a terrible teammate, pretty much everyone bashed him saying that was completely wrong. As soon as the Jets picked him? Those same people are referencing that as evidence of Geno being a bad pick.
I think more and more teams will adapt to a shotgun offense, because it lets the QB see better, and focus on passing, than his timing on the dropback.
But the potential is there for him to be a stud. He has the arm and mobility, but he also has a very high bust rate IMO.
I think that's a problem with the team, because besides the Kansas State game, I think he had good offensive stats in the other games, but his defense was horrendous. It's hard to win, when your defense is consistently putting you behind, and then teams know they can drop everyone back because WV didn't have a running game. The lack of a quality OL meant that the defenses were still getting pressure even when they were dropping the LBs back, so it wasn't like he got all day to dissect the defense.
The Syracuse game is hard to judge because of the weather. It's hard to throw in brutal cold and windy conditions, and even then he wasn't horrible. 200 yards, no INT, 2 TD, 67% completion isn't bad. But he had to do a lot of checkdowns because again defense was playing back with a big lead as well.
Look at Manziel, he was almost suspended for the entirety of last year, until his coach stepped up for him, has one problem after another on social media, doesn't even go to classes on campus, yet every time we talk about next year's draft, there he is at or near the top of the conversation. Do people dissect that he played behind the best OL in college and one of the best in recent memory? Or his size? Geno looks like a saint next to this guy. Or that his OC was also a disciple of the Air Raid system under Holgersen?
The diva news crept up more because a lot of the same people pushing him as a diva also had him going in the top 10 of the draft, and explaining away why he fell, as to his diva like personality makes them look less foolish. If they knew, he was going to be a problem personality wise, why project him so high? Add in the fact, that anything that can make the Jets look as incompetent as possible is a ratings grabber, so they can run with it as much as you want.
He did have a great Pro-day, I remember the next day, hearing a bunch of reports about how teams in the bottom half of the top ten (us, bills) would have to trade up to get Geno. What he didn't do, was the combine throwing drills, or do other marketing stuff like Sports Science, or the Senior Bowl. I think that's what helped raised Manuel's stock, because he was the best QB at the Senior Bowl, the most talented at the combine, and a high scorer on stuff like Sports Science. That is the most likely reason Geno fired his agents, because he didn't get much exposure out there, so teams had to rely on the tapes. His agents line of thinking most likely was that, his numbers are so great, that the tapes will speak for themselves, without accounting the fact that teams may or may not know how much to discount these stats due to the offense they ran.
Manuel has all the tools, he just never jumped out at me on tape. He's a project, and someone I wouldn't have minded in the second round, but I do think he's a reach at 16, and I do rate Geno ahead of him. He is someone that did have a good defense and RB but was wildly inconsistent. He has upside but he also has considerable downside as well.
Glennon, I wasn't a big fan of, because he just wasn't as accurate and made tons of mistakes. He has a great arm, but that was pretty much it with him. No mobility at all and lack of accuracy is concerning. He looked horrible at the Senior Bowl too.
DDNY - Dont want to pile on just to do it, but again, the misinformation about Geno is staggering.
You said "Dismal bowl game performance".
He was 19-28 201 yards 2 tds 0 ints in a snow storm.
He was judged to have a bad game because his team lost - but was he responsible for giving up 369 yards on the ground? Because thats how much Syracuse rushed for.
He had a "bad end of the season" not because of his game itself, but because his team lost. And yes, i get it, QBs are judged by wins and losses more then stats, but cmon, look at the score of the games (and yes he struggled vs Kstate and Texas Tech).
His defense gave up 49, 55, 39, 55, and 50 points during the losing streak - tough to pin those losses on a guy who threw 5 picks total during the streak.
You can make a highlight reel of any QB missing throws. That's just Mayock looking to explain a situation he has no idea about. I have no idea why anyone on this site would use Mayock. The guy is an idiot. He had Blaine Gabbert ranked higher than Cam Newton. Sounds like the kind of guy who knows his QBs.
Did you watch the bowl game? I did. At best, it was mixed. The boxscore will not tell the whole story. Bailey racked up like 120 yards on three big catches (two were screens I think). He also gave up two safeties one of which was on an awful sack and the other was intentional grounding. Those speak to decision making and like it or not everything is magnified in bowl games. Geno benefited from having a record-setting performance in the Orange Bowl the year before so you have to take the good with the bad.
I agree that his defense did let him down but I watched some of those games and in the Texas Tech and Kansas State games their offense looked like ours. And Geno looked lost at times.
We are gonna put him on a team with an above average Oline, with 3-4 good RBs with varying skill sets, and most likely with a great defense. I want him behind center with a limited playbook with him throwing screens and slants with a few deep throws downfield and most importantly not throwing picks.
The fumbles worry me as ive said, but with this team, we won 6 games while turning over the ball at a disastrous rate. If we can cut that down, with more accuracy from the QB, and a RB that can actually cut and make people miss, I think we might be in very good shape.
The more I think about Geno's bowl game the more I look back at Sanchez's playoff game vs the Pats.
Geno went 19-28 201 yards 2 tds 0 ints in a snow storm.
Sanchez went 16-25 194 yards 3 tds 0 ints in the freezing cold.
Yet Geno failed in that game because they lost and we all (myself 100% included) thought we had the next great QB after that game.
I guess the difference between "hes just a 2nd rounder" and "the next joe montana" is just a great defensive performance.
Mark was excellent in that playoff game and he made great decisions as well as some great throws including the TD to Holmes which was one of the best passes I have ever seen. We didn't put the game on his shoulders and didn't ask him to throw 40 times. Geno basically committed two turnovers with those safeties in the bowl game so that is a pretty significant difference.
and Marky buttfumbled away the last two seasons with 52 turnovers and Smith didn't