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    Quote Originally Posted by Dcat View Post
    You will never convince me that both Woody and Tranny didn't lie when they said on the radio that it was all Tranny's idea to trade for Tebow. Woody imagined dollar signs, increased headlines being stolen away from the Giants and ultimately increased Upper deck sales and PSL sales from the move. No football man in his right mind would actually trade away a mid round pick for someone as bad as Tebow. That move was all Woody. 100%. Because it made no football sense.

    And yes, Rex has this thing for Sanchez and it has destroyed any semblance of an offense over the past 2 years.
    I see unicorns, but I don't try to convince others that they're real.

    Working backwards off an assumption doesn't make it fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    Woody and Tanny were both culprits in the Tim Tebow disaster. Probably Woody moreso due to his political idealogy. Rex wanted ZERO to do with Tim Tebow which is why he never started the little weasel even with Suckchez self-destructing and McElroy making Chad Pennington's arm look like Justin Verlander.
    Absolutely agree. But I also believe that Rex has a blind allegiance to Sanchez that damages this team in many ways. Just like the above, no one can convince me that Rex didn't have significant input in the decision to extend Sanchez due to Sanchez's hurt feelings that the Jets inquired about Peyton Manning. That would be just like Teddy bear Rex to continue to coddle this bum for whatever illogical reason. Dude, you don't ink #6 on your body unless you are strangely committed to him. It has hurt this team. Holmes is an a-hole but in a strange way, he was 100% right about getting Sanchez off the field 2 years ago. Sanchez destroyed this team's chances of performing to playoff level. The defense was good enough and the offense was weak, but with a QB who didn't make countless mistakes, the Jets could have done much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    Woody and Tanny were both culprits in the Tim Tebow disaster. Probably Woody moreso due to his political idealogy. Rex wanted ZERO to do with Tim Tebow which is why he never started the little weasel even with Suckchez self-destructing and McElroy making Chad Pennington's arm look like Justin Verlander.
    Which makes it hard to argue that Rex was the GM at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Nut View Post
    Which makes it hard to argue that Rex was the GM at the same time.
    Tebow was an owner induced acquisition. Woody made that choice. But that doesn't mean that Rex hasn't had an inappropriate amount of say in personnel for a relatively young and inexperienced HC (hand picked the "Terminator", he did). How can you not see that the few years of completely ignoring upgrading the offensive personnel isn't Rex's fault? Yeah sure... all of a sudden Tanny decided to focus almost exclusively on defense? It was a collective effort, no doubt, but Rex was given way too much say in all this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Nut View Post
    Which makes it hard to argue that Rex was the GM at the same time.
    Not for a true Rex hater that is convinced they would be a better HC.. Imagine if Favre had his 09 season of 33 tds and 7 picks plus 68.4 passing % for the Jets. In 08 he was 22-22 and add 10 fumbles that's up there with the Butt fumbler..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dcat View Post
    Tebow was an owner induced acquisition. Woody made that choice. But that doesn't mean that Rex hasn't had an inappropriate amount of say in personnel for a relatively young and inexperienced HC (hand picked the "Terminator", he did). How can you not see that the few years of completely ignoring upgrading the offensive personnel isn't Rex's fault? Yeah sure... all of a sudden Tanny decided to focus almost exclusively on defense? It was a collective effort, no doubt, but Rex was given way too much say in all this.
    In 09 our draft was Sanchez, Greene and Slauson. In 2010 it was Wilson, Vlad, McKnight and Connor.. That's 1 D player in 2 drafts so explain again how all of a sudden Tanny drafted just D when Rex arrived?? Let me add Holmes another O player and the total for D players and O players since Rex has been HC is Offense 18 players and 7 defensive players drafted not to mention Connor who Rex bragged about was a FB..
    Last edited by Savage69; 07-21-2013 at 12:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dcat View Post
    Absolutely agree. But I also believe that Rex has a blind allegiance to Sanchez that damages this team in many ways. Just like the above, no one can convince me that Rex didn't have significant input in the decision to extend Sanchez due to Sanchez's hurt feelings that the Jets inquired about Peyton Manning. That would be just like Teddy bear Rex to continue to coddle this bum for whatever illogical reason.
    OMFG - this post is the epitome of why no self-respecting sports fan should ever rely on ESPN or WFAN for information about anything.

    1. Rex had no other options at QB last two seasons outside of Sanchez. Brunell is 100 years old, McElroy stinks and can't throw, and Tim Tebow is a joke. As bad as Sanchez was last year he was our best option at QB - this had nothing to do with "Blind Loyalty."

    2. Extending Sanchez was a cap manuever last off-season. It saved the Jets somewhere in the neighborhood of $5mil in cap room. Sanchez can still be released after this off-season which will probably happen. This had nothing to do with reassuring Sanchez Tanny was trying to get cap room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dcat View Post
    Tebow was an owner induced acquisition. Woody made that choice. But that doesn't mean that Rex hasn't had an inappropriate amount of say in personnel for a relatively young and inexperienced HC (hand picked the "Terminator", he did). How can you not see that the few years of completely ignoring upgrading the offensive personnel isn't Rex's fault? Yeah sure... all of a sudden Tanny decided to focus almost exclusively on defense? It was a collective effort, no doubt, but Rex was given way too much say in all this.
    Rex publicly stated he didn't want Stephen "Stone Hands" Hill yet somehow the Jets drafted him. How on earth was that possible? He wanted nothing to do with Tebow either and ran away from starting him at qb when the media, the owner, the FO and his legions of semi-retarded hillbilly fans were screaming for him to start.


    Your best evidence is some off-hand remark Rex made 3 years ago on HBO about some scrub 5th round pick backup FB. I hope your not a lawyer and if you are one I hope your not actually responsible for anything. Evidence obviously means little to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage69 View Post
    In 09 our draft was Sanchez, Greene and Slauson. In 2010 it was Wilson, Vlad, McKnight and Connor.. That's 1 D player in 2 drafts so explain again how all of a sudden Tanny drafted just D when Rex arrived??
    That is what people dont get. They saw Rex patching his aging D and they fail to realize the O was supposed to have been built already. We had 4 young OL on the rise and Moore. Mark, a new FB, RB, and traded for 2 WR on top of having Cotch. Oh and a young TE in Keller who was a 1st round guy. But Rex was starting a bunch of 30+ guys on D and we get mad when he drafts younger D players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamers View Post
    That is what people dont get. They saw Rex patching his aging D and they fail to realize the O was supposed to have been built already. We had 4 young OL on the rise and Moore. Mark, a new FB, RB, and traded for 2 WR on top of having Cotch. Oh and a young TE in Keller who was a 1st round guy. But Rex was starting a bunch of 30+ guys on D and we get mad when he drafts younger D players.
    And the two defensive players we used 1st round picks on the last two seasons - Wilk and Coples - are both studs. Yeah if only we drafted the offensive player Decastro or the next Demarcus Ware Melvin Ingram

    Rex-haters are like Obama-haters - whatever way they can reshape or reinvent their arguments just to bash the object of their hatred. "Rex doesn't know anything about offense, he doesn't manage the offense"/"Rex has an inordinate amount of control" "Rex talks too much"/"Rex has nothing to say about the Jets cutting Tebow wtf"
    Last edited by detjetsfan; 07-21-2013 at 12:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dcat View Post
    Tebow was an owner induced acquisition. Woody made that choice. But that doesn't mean that Rex hasn't had an inappropriate amount of say in personnel for a relatively young and inexperienced HC (hand picked the "Terminator", he did). How can you not see that the few years of completely ignoring upgrading the offensive personnel isn't Rex's fault? Yeah sure... all of a sudden Tanny decided to focus almost exclusively on defense? It was a collective effort, no doubt, but Rex was given way too much say in all this.
    Lets face it, you will spin the argument anyway and every way to turn it to whatever works best for your imaginary point.

    The response that he picked one player in 4 drafts is pointless BTW. You don't have a clue how a NFL team runs a draft, stop making it up as you go along. That he bragged Tanny picked his guy doesn't make him anymore the GM than the Jets drafting a player that I wanted makes me the GM. So no, doesn't translate into Rex having an inappropriate amount of say in personnel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Nut View Post
    Lets face it, you will spin the argument anyway and every way to turn it to whatever works best for your imaginary point.

    The response that he picked one player in 4 drafts is pointless BTW. You don't have a clue how a NFL team runs a draft, stop making it up as you go along. That he bragged Tanny picked his guy doesn't make him anymore the GM than the Jets drafting a player that I wanted makes me the GM. So no, doesn't translate into Rex having an inappropriate amount of say in personnel.
    You'll never be able to convince the Rex-haters and the media he isn't the worst head coach in the history of the NFL. These clowns and the media had the patience of Job when it came to the Herm Edwardses, Eric Manginis and Bruce Coslets yet Rex, the one Jets HC who actually wins, he has to be fired mid-season b/c obviously every player personnel move is his fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    And the two defensive players we used 1st round picks on the last two seasons - Wilk and Coples - are both studs. Yeah if only we drafted the offensive player Decastro or the next Demarcus Ware Melvin Ingram

    Rex-haters are like Obama-haters - whatever way they can reshape or reinvent their arguments just to bash the object of their hatred. "Rex doesn't know anything about offense, he doesn't manage the offense"/"Rex has an inordinate amount of control" "Rex talks too much"/"Rex has nothing to say about the Jets cutting Tebow wtf"
    Not even close Rex has had some success..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dcat View Post
    Tebow was an owner induced acquisition. Woody made that choice. But that doesn't mean that Rex hasn't had an inappropriate amount of say in personnel for a relatively young and inexperienced HC (hand picked the "Terminator", he did). How can you not see that the few years of completely ignoring upgrading the offensive personnel isn't Rex's fault? Yeah sure... all of a sudden Tanny decided to focus almost exclusively on defense? It was a collective effort, no doubt, but Rex was given way too much say in all this.
    So is Rex still the GM, or is it Idzik?

    You know, given they used their 2 1st on D. Means that Rex is still running the show, right?

    Or did Idzik get his way in the 1nd round, Rex the 1st round?

    Every D player is a Rex pick and every O a pick for the GM?

    Or just how it suits the argument for those who just have to have a singular person to blame the seasons we don't make the playoffs? Those who cant see that when the team has had at least some talent Rex has fielded a winning team.

    And shockingly, when the talent hasn't been there, when the QB can't just manage a game, his team struggle. Problem is, not every HC would have won with what he had his 1st 2 seasons. Shocking but true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    You'll never be able to convince the Rex-haters and the media he isn't the worst head coach in the history of the NFL. These clowns and the media had the patience of Job when it came to the Herm Edwardses, Eric Manginis and Bruce Coslets yet Rex, the one Jets HC who actually wins, he has to be fired mid-season b/c obviously every player personnel move is his fault.
    Still waiting on how much control Parcells, Shula, etc had on their teams O. How much control over the teams D did Bill Walsh have? Love this idiotic idea that some here have that a HC who obviously came in as a coordinator takes over the unit not his specialty. Good HC's are like good CEOs, they delegate and go with the recommendations of their specialists. Doesn't mean they aren't involved in the process, just that they don't run the show. Thats what Shula did, what Walsh did.

    Still didnt hear back on who Rex should have played at QB while blindly sending Sanchez out there. Or which HC could have bettered 4 playoff wins, all on the road, all as underdogs to get to back to back AFCCGs with a 1st year and 2nd year player at QB leading his team.

    Not a peep. Just that he has too much control over players. You know the ones who got to those games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Nut View Post
    So is Rex still the GM, or is it Idzik?
    Nearly all GMs get to select their own HC. Did Idzik get that opportunity? Nope. In searching for the GM's, the conditions were clear: You get saddled with Rex for at least one season or don't bother interviewing for the job. Thus the piss-poor slate of candidates for the job.

    So yes, Idzik is the GM, but you might as well call him an apprentice GM, because he has no control over Rex.

    You know, given they used their 2 1st on D. Means that Rex is still running the show, right?

    Or did Idzik get his way in the 1nd round, Rex the 1st round?

    Every D player is a Rex pick and every O a pick for the GM?

    Or just how it suits the argument for those who just have to have a singular person to blame the seasons we don't make the playoffs? Those who cant see that when the team has had at least some talent Rex has fielded a winning team.

    And shockingly, when the talent hasn't been there, when the QB can't just manage a game, his team struggle. Problem is, not every HC would have won with what he had his 1st 2 seasons. Shocking but true.
    No one is denying that the Jets have been thin on talent, particularly in the offense. But ignoring player acquisition opportunities in the offense has resulted from defense always being the priority and that is on Rex. Rex is a great defensive strategist and coach. He has zero ability to manage the entire team and his meddling in personnel caused Klinksdale, a capable and experienced personnel man, to quit on a team that sorely needed him. Rex has been given way too much say in personnel decisions for such a young coach. And his illogical affinity for Sanchez has been to this team's detriment. You wanna turn your head and whistle past the graveyard? Be my guest. We'll find out whether or not Rex stays at the end of the season, but for Pete's sake let's let our GM have control and to make that decision (not Woody).

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    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    Question for the Rex-haters: Name me the head coach that goes 9-7 or better each of the last two seasons with this roster?


    And I don't want to hear "Rex built this team" - we have a multi-million dollar NFL Front Office, General Manager, scouting dept and owner so that is a lame-ass copout.
    I don't hate Rex but I will take a stab at this one. Any HC that is capable of being a complete HC and that is capable of maintaining the respect of his players and his staff. Rex lost the pulse of the team and the locker room in 2011. Rex lost his authority over his staff in 2012. Those are facts.

    And Rex did have a role in building the team. We drafted and signed players to fit his system so there is no getting around that.

    As for a list of HCs there a few that are low-hanging fruit. Coughlin, Harbaugh x2, Tomlin and Belichick. None of those guys would lose the pulse of the team or have their assistants back-stabbing them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dcat View Post
    Nearly all GMs get to select their own HC. Did Idzik get that opportunity? Nope. In searching for the GM's, the conditions were clear: You get saddled with Rex for at least one season or don't bother interviewing for the job. Thus the piss-poor slate of candidates for the job.

    So yes, Idzik is the GM, but you might as well call him an apprentice GM, because he has no control over Rex.



    No one is denying that the Jets have been thin on talent, particularly in the offense. But ignoring player acquisition opportunities in the offense has resulted from defense always being the priority and that is on Rex. Rex is a great defensive strategist and coach. He has zero ability to manage the entire team and his meddling in personnel caused Klinksdale, a capable and experienced personnel man, to quit on a team that sorely needed him. Rex has been given way too much say in personnel decisions for such a young coach. And his illogical affinity for Sanchez has been to this team's detriment. You wanna turn your head and whistle past the graveyard? Be my guest. We'll find out whether or not Rex stays at the end of the season, but for Pete's sake let's let our GM have control and to make that decision (not Woody).
    BTW It's Clinkscales who went to work for GM Reggie McKenzie, who was his college teammate at Tennessee. He is Director of Player Personnel for the Raiders.. Where do you get this stuff from dreaming??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage69 View Post
    BTW It's Clinkscales who went to work for GM Reggie McKenzie, who was his college teammate at Tennessee. He is Director of Player Personnel for the Raiders.. Where do you get this stuff from dreaming??
    and when he quit the Jets due to the personnel control issues and Rex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    I don't hate Rex but I will take a stab at this one. Any HC that is capable of being a complete HC and that is capable of maintaining the respect of his players and his staff. Rex lost the pulse of the team and the locker room in 2011. Rex lost his authority over his staff in 2012. Those are facts.

    And Rex did have a role in building the team. We drafted and signed players to fit his system so there is no getting around that.

    As for a list of HCs there a few that are low-hanging fruit. Coughlin, Harbaugh x2, Tomlin and Belichick. None of those guys would lose the pulse of the team or have their assistants back-stabbing them.
    Coughlin was almost fired by the Giants and had the players pissed because he was too strict.. Tomlin took over a team that won the Bowl 2 years prior. I do like the Harbaugh bros..Winning cures many things but I do agree Rex needs to be a more complete HC.. BB became that when Brady took over the year before he was 5-11..

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