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Thread: Could Sanchez Be Suffering From Unkown Injury? ***GOOGLE RESEARCH INVOLVED***

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    Could Sanchez Be Suffering From Unkown Injury? ***GOOGLE RESEARCH INVOLVED***

    No, he didn't get injured overnight, you can get back to the vodoo dolls, before having to read this long post.

    So I was going through the velocity readings for QBs at the draft in the past years. Fastest velocity recorded since 2008? 59 MPH (Kapernick, Tyler Bray, Zach Dysert, Brandon Weeden, and Kirk Cousins). Ok, besides Cousins, not that surprising.

    What surprised me was that Sanchez came in at 57 MPH which is higher than the recorded velocity from Flacco (55), Geno (55), Newton (56), Russel Wilson (55), and Matt Flynn (50).

    Link: http://blogs.ourlads.com/2013/03/27/...ine-2008-2012/

    Now, velocity doesn't necessarily translate equally onto the playing field much like baseball, where pitchers will often have to sacrifice velocity to have control over their throws. It also doesn't speak towards arm strength as much, because set up and follow through can have an effect on end velocity. Similar to how a pitcher pitching from the windup will have more velocity than pitching from the stretch because he is setting up better, and loading up better. So, some guys like Flacco may actually have a better arm, but does not have the same clean set up, so in a pure velocity test, lesser armed QBs are able to catch up, because they have cleaner mechanics. And ofcourse in the NFL, you don't always get the chance to go through your full throwing motion in the pocket, so it may rely more on arm talent, so again, not the be all and end all of tests here, but go with me for a second.

    Now, we have heard that Geno's arm looks considerably better than Sanchez. And from watching Sanchez the last couple of years, we all know he doesn't have an elite arm (just strength wise). And we're not alone.

    Sanchez ranked 30th according to this random BR article from last year. Now, I doubt anyone takes BR as professional scouts, but atleast it's a different set of eyes confirming what you are seeing.

    Link: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ing-qbs/page/4

    But how does a guy that had a pretty good arm go to what is now below average? So did some google research.

    He's been dealing with a shoulder injury, believed to be some cartilage tear in his right, throwing, shoulder. Burress referenced it in some article.

    Link: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/07/...y-last-season/

    Link: http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nf...ory?id=5947274

    And as said in the first link, the team decided against off-season surgery for Sanchez that year. Now, nowhere in the articles do they say the word labrum, but the labrum itself is basically cartilage. And a fully torn labrum is the same injury that Michael Pineda is recovering from, what Johan Santana tried to recover from, and what Curt Schilling recovered from in the past. This is also part of the injury Drew Brees had (he also had rotator cuff problems as well). Now, Sanchez probably doesn't have a fully torn labrum, but the team knows there is a non zero percentage of cartilage that is torn in his shoulder. And the team opted against surgery (most likely because there was a good chance Sanchez was going to be sidelined for a decent amount of time) and hoped it would heal on it's own.

    This is from Dr. James Andrews: "Do we have the answer to labral tears?" he asked. "No, a large percentage of these still don't heal. I think we have a long way to go."

    Link: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=3024046

    Could it be possible that Sanchez's diminished velocity these last two years stem from the shoulder injury not healing? If you looked at Johan Santana's, Michael Pineda's, Anibal Sanchez's velocity readings right before they got surgery, they were heading down.

    Could this be a reason why Mcelroy was picked up in the preceding draft, and Tebow brought in the following year. A backup plan if Sanchez indeed has to go under the knife? I don't know how long it'll take for him to recover from a partial tear, but these pitchers all took about a year + to recover, and the Jets figure that a diminished Sanchez is better than a total waste of money?

    They had a chance to have surgery in the offseason of 2010, going into the 2011 season. A season, where we are coming of back to back AFC Championship games, and expectations are high. Him getting the surgery there tanks our season (atleast when you are trying to predict what happens before the season), so they opt against it. His velocity reduces, but he can still start. So then, they can maybe have the surgery in the 2011 offseason, going into the 2012 season. But if he gets that surgery, he could possibly be out for the 2012 season, and then trying to make a comeback in what would be his final season of his rookie contract in the 2013 season. That leaves the team in limbo, for possibly two years. This would make perfect sense, if they didn't resign him to that contract extension though. I still can't make sense how that works.

    I'm not saying Sanchez was going to be a stud otherwise, and that this injury might be the reason he sucks. But I think maybe, this could be an underlying reason for his velocity to have decreased, which impacts all other aspects of his game as well. This could also explain why he fails to progress, because whatever he gains in experience is negated by his loss of velocity. Maybe he would've been more towards league average than well below average QB he is right now?

    I doubt his injuries are at the level of Pineda or Sanchez before they needed surgery. But both of them showed diminished velocities well prior to them going under the knife.

    Obviously, this is me reading a lot into snippets of information. But an injury would explain a lot of things about his tenure. Teammates respect him (possibly because they know he's going out there injured?). His velocity has gone down. He's not getting better with experience. It could also just be a minor factor in his decline, and could just be a culmination of events causing Sanchez's decline, such as surrounding talent, him not being too bright, his talents being over-rated, and his focus on nightlife.

    But I thought it was interesting. Food for thought I guess.

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    Sanchez's arm definitely isn't what it was in 2009, he threw some darts that year and 2010, but what's more troubling is his accuracy has gotten worse since 2010 as well. Maybe he's gotten a lot of wear and tear. I think that 2011 season with Wayne Hunter may have done some damage to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JetsCrazey View Post
    Sanchez's arm definitely isn't what it was in 2009, he threw some darts that year and 2010, but what's more troubling is his accuracy has gotten worse since 2010 as well. Maybe he's gotten a lot of wear and tear. I think that 2011 season with Wayne Hunter may have done some damage to him.
    Well if his shoulder is indeed hurt, he could be trying to make up for a even greater loss of velocity by sacrificing accuracy. So if the injury say cost him 8 MPH (hypothetically), he could try to regain maybe 2 MPH by trying not to be as accurate and throwing as hard as he can. Hate to keep using baseball analogies, but like a power pitcher overthrowing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetsCrazey View Post
    Sanchez's arm definitely isn't what it was in 2009, he threw some darts that year and 2010, but what's more troubling is his accuracy has gotten worse since 2010 as well. Maybe he's gotten a lot of wear and tear. I think that 2011 season with Wayne Hunter may have done some damage to him.
    He never had a cannon for an arm. It was OK but not great. On occasion he got off a great pass with great velocity. But his feet had to be set properly. He does not do it nearly as much but he can still wing it when he sets his feet. I just do not think he is as talented as we all first thought! IMO he is incapable of picking up a team and bringing it to the finidsh line with any degree of consistency. He has happy feet and it ruins any chance of greatness , I think. His pocket presence is horrible too.

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    It is all in his head.

    There was talk of him going under the knife during those off seasons of greeting some kind of scope done. But it is all is his head not arms at all. How do you explain having free rushers coming in at him all the time? He never throws his receivers open and when they are he never hits them.

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    He stinks. Stop driving yourself crazy trying to find reasons why. We have moved on and Geno will be the qb this year. Stop wasting time on Sanchez. We have turned the page and you should as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by star95 View Post
    There was talk of him going under the knife during those off seasons of greeting some kind of scope done. But it is all is his head not arms at all. How do you explain having free rushers coming in at him all the time? He never throws his receivers open and when they are he never hits them.
    when a QB is indecisive and holds the ball too long, a team has problems. When a QB locks on to A RECEIVER, THE qb HAS PROBLEMS AS DOES THE TEAM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by star95 View Post
    There was talk of him going under the knife during those off seasons of greeting some kind of scope done. But it is all is his head not arms at all. How do you explain having free rushers coming in at him all the time? He never throws his receivers open and when they are he never hits them.
    the most damning thing to me is that his screen passes aren't even accurate. chad had a real weak arm but could still get those screens to his guys.

    the biggest issue with sanchez was that he was drafted way too high. if he played for a school like kansas he'd have been a 3rd or 4th rounder and nobody would be disappointed with his career arc, it would have been expected.

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    The "bum shoulder" theory doesn't explain Sanchez's inability to diagnose the pass rush pre-snap, nor does it justify his failing to see open receivers down field.

    Ergo, it isn't the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Win4ever View Post
    No, he didn't get injured overnight, you can get back to the vodoo dolls, before having to read this long post.

    So I was going through the velocity readings for QBs at the draft in the past years. Fastest velocity recorded since 2008? 59 MPH (Kapernick, Tyler Bray, Zach Dysert, Brandon Weeden, and Kirk Cousins). Ok, besides Cousins, not that surprising.
    Chaddy cakes pass got a ticket for going too slow in the fast pass lane..

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    You can't separate physical and mental issues the way people are trying to do in this thread. If you lose physical ability you lose confidence along with it, and try to compensate. Accuracy can suffer. There is little doubt that Mark's arm got injured and we can probably pinpoint the games- there have been steady whispers about it - the Jaguar game where the team was winning and he should have been benched, and the Baltimore game where Ngata speared him. Wayne Hunter should never have been 'protecting' a franchise QB.

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    Maybe he hurt his arm doing that stupid velocity test. His problem has always been accuracy but I suppose a labrum injury could contribute to that as well.

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    I've never thought that his arm was the problem. When he has a perfect pocket and he can step into his throws, his arm is as good as anyone's. The problem is when he has to move his feet or make any kind of adjustment, his fundamentals are so bad that he throws ducks.

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    Of course an injury will affect accuracy. We need not look any further than the end of Favre's season here after he got hurt and didn't tell anyone.

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    He's not hurt.

    He's simply inaccurate.

    He's also immoble, unaware in the pocket, makes poor decisions and naturally throws a slow lazy ball professional defenders find very easy to pick off. Oh, and he apparently greases his fingers with butter before every game for some crazy fumble-causing reason.

    No excuses. If he sucks, he's should be gone. If he's hurt, he should be gone. Same deal either way.

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    Could this also be the reason the bum can't even throw a decent screen?

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    Sanchez must be the greatest QB talent ever.

    To read here hes:

    Lived through Shotty. Not his fault he sucked.

    Lived through Sporano. Not his fault he sucked.

    2 systems in 4 years. Not his fault he sucked.

    Rex only sits in on D meeting. Not his fault he sucked.

    Didn't have competition. Not his fault he sucked.

    Had Tebow on roster. Not his fault he sucked.

    WRs the past year sucked. Not his fault he sucked.

    Was coddled. Not his fault he sucked.

    Has been playing injured. Not his fault he sucked.

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    This is a well thought out theory ... he has not been the same since the ravens game where he got pummeled ...

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    Interesting. Regardless of some people in this thread the theory you present has logic behind it. There were moments in his career that he didn't return from and they were physical rather than mental. That Ravens game, he was terrible but he also got crushed. He pinched a nerve, against Jacksonville and I remember thinking that the way he throws long balls looked different after.

    Last year if you watch the bombs he would throw, what once were on a rope darts were now rainbows. It wouldn't surprise me if some damage was revealed post career.

    That said clearly he didn't have the mind to try and get tested or adjust his game. Also he's always inaccurate.

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