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    New Hampshire gun rights group sends Christie a warning on gun control legislation

    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf...gislation.html


    I am not a big anti-gun advocate. I feel that policies initiated now will take decades to have their desired effect so therefore I would not spend the political capital to make them law.

    having said that the laws proposed below seem reasonable to me.

    It'll be interesting to see how Governor Christie handles this. A similar issue effed-up Mayor Giuliani. Currently Christie is doing nothing and waiting the 45 days he is allowed as Governor.



    Trenton - A group of gun-rights activists in New Hampshire — the state that hosts the nation’s first presidential primary — wants Gov. Chris Christie to know they’re watching him closely.

    Pro-Gun New Hampshire, which bills itself as "the most respected Second Amendment group" in the state, urged Christie to veto four gun control measures that are currently on his desk.

    “New Hampshire has a strong influence on Presidential elections because we hold the "first-in-the-nation" Presidential primary,” the group wrote on its website on Thursday. “Chris Christie, the governor of New Jersey, is most likely going to run. If you want to know what kind of president he'd be, watch what he does as governor.”

    The bills they are advocating against would ban a .50 caliber rifle that is the most powerful available to civilians (A3659); encode firearm purchase permits on a driver's license or a photo ID card, create a system for instant background checks, require gun buyers to show they completed a safety training course and stiffen penalties for letting guns slip into the hands of minors (S2723); ban those on the federal terrorist watch list from buying guns (A3687); and require New Jersey law enforcement agencies to report information on lost, stolen and discarded guns to federal databases (A3797).

    The group urges members to call or email Christie’s office. "What he does with them will tell Granite Staters everything they need to know about who Chris Christie really is. Please contact him, tell him you’re watching with 2016 in mind, and tell him you want to see him veto these bills," the web post reads.

    There are currently 15 gun-related bills awaiting action by Christie. He has been silent so far on whether he’ll sign them or veto them. If he does not sign a bill after it has been on his desk for 45 days and the house it originated in gavels into session, it automatically becomes law.

    One of the bills the New Hampshire group urged action against – the .50 caliber rifle ban – was also included as an idea in Christie’s own plan to combat gun violence.

    So far, Christie has only taken action on one gun-related bill, vetoing a measure taht would have banned the state pension fund from investing in companies that manufacture or sell assault rifles for civilian use.

    A spokesman for Pro-Gun New Hampshire did not immediately return a call seeking comment.

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    "...the state that hosts the nation’s first presidential primary..."

    This has disaster written all over it for the GOP. Republicans are complete fools to pursue the White House in 2016 or ever! They'll be attacking each other and the party will suffer BIG as a result! Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton will get the Democratic 2016 Presidential nomination unchallenged.

    What Republicans should do is focus exclusively on mid-term elections. They should focus on retaining control of the US House of Representatives and winning control of the US Senate. Additionally, Republicans should focus on winning as many State governors, State legislatures, and State attorneys general as possible until they have a large majority.

    THEN STOP THERE!!

    The House, the Senate, a majority of State governments - from Maine to Hawaii and from Alaska to Florida, Republicans will have broad national power and influence.

    "The era of big government is over."
    Democrat President Bill Clinton, 1997

    Republicans forced Bill Clinton to say that. They held the House, Senate, and most state governments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlbanyJet View Post
    "...the state that hosts the nation’s first presidential primary..."

    This has disaster written all over it for the GOP. Republicans are complete fools to pursue the White House in 2016 or ever! They'll be attacking each other and the party will suffer BIG as a result! Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton will get the Democratic 2016 Presidential nomination unchallenged.

    What Republicans should do is focus exclusively on mid-term elections. They should focus on retaining control of the US House of Representatives and winning control of the US Senate. Additionally, Republicans should focus on winning as many State governors, State legislatures, and State attorneys general as possible until they have a large majority.

    THEN STOP THERE!!

    The House, the Senate, a majority of State governments - from Maine to Hawaii and from Alaska to Florida, Republicans will have broad national power and influence.

    "The era of big government is over."
    Democrat President Bill Clinton, 1997

    Republicans forced Bill Clinton to say that. They held the House, Senate, and most state governments.
    They held most of those positions in government from 2001-2008 and was in almost complete control during one of the worst eras in American history for reckless spending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf...gislation.html


    I am not a big anti-gun advocate. I feel that policies initiated now will take decades to have their desired effect so therefore I would not spend the political capital to make them law.

    having said that the laws proposed below seem reasonable to me.

    It'll be interesting to see how Governor Christie handles this. A similar issue effed-up Mayor Giuliani. Currently Christie is doing nothing and waiting the 45 days he is allowed as Governor.
    Back on topic, based on this read I don't have a problem with the gun regulations proposed in that bill. Instant background checks and penalties for guns getting in the hands of minors seems sensible. Gun safety courses for folks looking to buy a hand gun makes sense as well. Not really sure what the hullabaloo is about here. In NYS we have those types of laws already and much much more.

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    Complete domination by one party or the other is rarely a good thing in US politics. Just look at the damage the Democrats pulled off in the two years they had complete control under Obama.

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    Who are the Democrats running? Hillary, Biden or will they drag up another no name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefst2000 View Post
    Back on topic, based on this read I don't have a problem with the gun regulations proposed in that bill. Instant background checks and penalties for guns getting in the hands of minors seems sensible. Gun safety courses for folks looking to buy a hand gun makes sense as well. Not really sure what the hullabaloo is about here. In NYS we have those types of laws already and much much more.
    You may not have a problem with it, but that means very little in the story of "how to win a GOP primary"

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    2016 is gonna be fun. As far as I am concerned this country is already beyond repair so I am just going to enjoy the sh!t show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan View Post
    They (Republicans) held most of those positions in government from 2001-2008 and was in almost complete control during one of the worst eras in American history for reckless spending.
    Republicans held the Presidency during this time, which was the problem.

    Republicans believe in small government, low taxes, and fiscally conservative government budgets. Their agenda works well at the State level which is why they should easily have a large majority of State governors, State legislatures, and State attorneys general. This agenda also works at the federal level re: Congressional and Senate positions, which are kind of quasi state-federal elected positions anyhow.

    If Republicans control the House, the Senate, and hold most State governments, they can get about 80% of what they want out of a Democrat President who will have little choice but to deal with them. Democrat President Bill Clinton discovered that in 1997.

    Or, Republicans can have a brutal 2016 Presidential primary, like this article is suggesting, and the whole party will go down the toilet while the Democrats sit back and watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetPotato View Post
    You may not have a problem with it, but that means very little in the story of "how to win a GOP primary"
    The primary process for the GOP in 2012 was a disaster and a big part of why they lost. Partially it was because the field was so weak. The hardcore wanted anyone but Romney and it showed. Combined with the ill advised primary process that was designed to drag out longer due to proportionate allocation of delegates and it was a complete fiasco. Hopefully that will change in 2016 due to better candidates and smarter primary rules. Now I agree that domestically, divided government is ideal. The issue is foreign policy wise having another term like this where a President tries to make nice nice with our enemies and inexplicably stands with radical Islamists against secularists (as was in Egypt with the strange support for Morsi versus the secular moderates) will be bad for America. It's strange that they continue to call the Fort Hood shooting, work place violence in their attempts to screw over the victims of that terrorist act from getting the purple hearts and financial assistance they deserve. Not to mention the division in our country due to the wild and very much phony ("if I had a son he'd look like Trayvon") race baiting by this president and his progressive base (anyone that disagrees with Obama must be a racist) is hurting the country as a whole.

    I think Hillary is more pragmatic then Obama so it may not be an issue but if we get another professorial, no common sense progressive like Obama we may not be able to recover whats left of our lone superpower status.
    Last edited by chiefst2000; 08-09-2013 at 11:49 AM.

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    So much for "...Leading and Making the Tough Choices..."




    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf..._his_desk.html

    Christie signs 10 gun bills, but leaves controversial measures on his desk

    Trenton - Gov. Chris Christie signed 10 gun bills today, ranging from measures aimed at stiffening penalties for the unlawful possession and smuggling of firearms to requiring the state to submit mental health records to the federal government.

    But the governor left five weapons-related bills on his desk, including some that could prove thorny as he campaigns for re-election in November and a possible presidential run in 2016.
    One measure (S2723) awaiting Christie’s signature and sponsored by Senate President Stephen Sweeney would overhaul how the state issues firearm permits and require buyers to show they have completed a safety-training course.

    Another bill (A3659) that the governor promoted would ban .50 caliber rifles, the most powerful weapon available to non-military personnel. And a third (A3797) would require law-enforcement agencies to report to federal databases information on guns that are illegal, used in crimes, lost, stolen or discarded.

    The governor, who is on vacation this week, gave no indication whether he planned to sign or veto the remaining bills. Last week he said he would probably act on all of them within the next “week or two.”

    The package of bills Christie signed yesterday had for the most part sailed through the Legislature with bipartisan support and without inflaming supporters or opponents of gun control.

    Scott Bach, executive of the New Jersey Association of Rifle and Pistol Clubs, said although his group opposed two bills Christie signed, they were not the top priority.
    “We are most concerned about what the governor will do on three bills on which he took no action today,” Bach said. “The Sweeney ‘kitchen sink’ bill that attacks gun rights and does nothing to prevent crime; a ban on $10,000 rifles used by wealthy hobbyists; and a bill that would mandate that the State Police disclose law enforcement data in violation of federal law.”

    Staking out an opposing position in the gun debate, the group New Jerseyans for Safety from Gun Violence issued a statement saying Christie’s signature on the 10 measures “is certainly a step in the right direction.”

    “But make no mistake about it,” the group added, “it is only a step ... he must complete the task before him and sign the remaining gun violence prevention bills on his desk.”
    Most of the gun bills were introduced after the shooting deaths of 20 elementary schoolchildren in Newtown, Conn., in December.

    The most far-reaching measures Christie signed would tighten New Jersey’s gun laws:

    • Upgrade the crime of unlawful possession of a firearm to a first-degree crime. The unlawful possession of machine guns, handguns and assault firearms had been a second-degree crime and third-degree offense in the case of rifles and shotguns. The bill would also increase mandatory minimum sentences for such offenses by six months. (S2804).

    • Make the crime of firearms trafficking subject to the No Early Release Act, which requires offenders to serve at least 85 percent of their terms. The bill (S2468) also requires authorities to seize cars used to smuggle weapons into the state and increases penalties to at least 18 months in prison for dealers who knowingly sell guns to customers disqualified from possessing them.

    • Allow authorities to impound cars if an occupant illegally possesses a weapon. The bill (S2468) also allows authorities to impound cars used in cases of prostitution and buying or selling illegal drugs.

    • Increase penalties for those who unlawfully sell or give a gun to an underage person from a third-degree crime to second-degree offense with a minimum mandatory prison sentence of five years. (S1279).

    • Disqualify people on the federal terrorist watch list from owning guns, which is the only gun-related bill (A3687) Christie has commented on.

    “As a former federal prosecutor, I understand the obligation of government to ensure the safety and security of its people,” the governor said in a bill-signing statement.

    He added, “I urge Congress to take steps to ensure that law-abiding American citizens are never swept into these databases.”

    Others bills Christie signed would give residents a 180-day window to get rid of certain illegal guns (A3796); make into law a state regulation banning the public release of personal information on firearms owners (A3788) and clarify that the total number of gun permits in a town are public record (S2720); require submission of mental health records to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (A3717); and create a study commission on violence (S2430).

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    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf..._his_desk.html

    Christie signs 10 gun bills, but leaves controversial measures on his desk

    Trenton - Gov. Chris Christie signed 10 gun bills today, ranging from measures aimed at stiffening penalties for the unlawful possession and smuggling of firearms to requiring the state to submit mental health records to the federal government.

    But the governor left five weapons-related bills on his desk, including some that could prove thorny as he campaigns for re-election in November and a possible presidential run in 2016.
    One measure (S2723) awaiting Christie’s signature and sponsored by Senate President Stephen Sweeney would overhaul how the state issues firearm permits and require buyers to show they have completed a safety-training course.

    Another bill (A3659) that the governor promoted would ban .50 caliber rifles, the most powerful weapon available to non-military personnel. And a third (A3797) would require law-enforcement agencies to report to federal databases information on guns that are illegal, used in crimes, lost, stolen or discarded.

    The governor, who is on vacation this week, gave no indication whether he planned to sign or veto the remaining bills. Last week he said he would probably act on all of them within the next “week or two.”

    The package of bills Christie signed yesterday had for the most part sailed through the Legislature with bipartisan support and without inflaming supporters or opponents of gun control.

    Scott Bach, executive of the New Jersey Association of Rifle and Pistol Clubs, said although his group opposed two bills Christie signed, they were not the top priority.
    “We are most concerned about what the governor will do on three bills on which he took no action today,” Bach said. “The Sweeney ‘kitchen sink’ bill that attacks gun rights and does nothing to prevent crime; a ban on $10,000 rifles used by wealthy hobbyists; and a bill that would mandate that the State Police disclose law enforcement data in violation of federal law.”

    Staking out an opposing position in the gun debate, the group New Jerseyans for Safety from Gun Violence issued a statement saying Christie’s signature on the 10 measures “is certainly a step in the right direction.”

    “But make no mistake about it,” the group added, “it is only a step ... he must complete the task before him and sign the remaining gun violence prevention bills on his desk.”
    Most of the gun bills were introduced after the shooting deaths of 20 elementary schoolchildren in Newtown, Conn., in December.

    The most far-reaching measures Christie signed would tighten New Jersey’s gun laws:

    • Upgrade the crime of unlawful possession of a firearm to a first-degree crime. The unlawful possession of machine guns, handguns and assault firearms had been a second-degree crime and third-degree offense in the case of rifles and shotguns. The bill would also increase mandatory minimum sentences for such offenses by six months. (S2804).

    • Make the crime of firearms trafficking subject to the No Early Release Act, which requires offenders to serve at least 85 percent of their terms. The bill (S2468) also requires authorities to seize cars used to smuggle weapons into the state and increases penalties to at least 18 months in prison for dealers who knowingly sell guns to customers disqualified from possessing them.

    • Allow authorities to impound cars if an occupant illegally possesses a weapon. The bill (S2468) also allows authorities to impound cars used in cases of prostitution and buying or selling illegal drugs.

    • Increase penalties for those who unlawfully sell or give a gun to an underage person from a third-degree crime to second-degree offense with a minimum mandatory prison sentence of five years. (S1279).

    • Disqualify people on the federal terrorist watch list from owning guns, which is the only gun-related bill (A3687) Christie has commented on.

    “As a former federal prosecutor, I understand the obligation of government to ensure the safety and security of its people,” the governor said in a bill-signing statement.

    He added, “I urge Congress to take steps to ensure that law-abiding American citizens are never swept into these databases.”

    Others bills Christie signed would give residents a 180-day window to get rid of certain illegal guns (A3796); make into law a state regulation banning the public release of personal information on firearms owners (A3788) and clarify that the total number of gun permits in a town are public record (S2720); require submission of mental health records to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (A3717); and create a study commission on violence (S2430).

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