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    Some perspective on Geno's first game

    Here are Geno's first game stats vs other rookie/inexperienced QBs in the past couple of years on their first NFL start. Sorted by QB rating


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    RGIII
                                                       Pass                                          Rush              Scor    
    Rk   Year  G       Date    Age  Tm  Opp  Result GS  Cmp Att   Cmp%  Yds TD Int  Rate   Y/A  AY/A  Att Yds   Y/A TD   TD Pts
    1    2012  1 2012-09-09 22-210 WAS  NOR W 40-32  *   19  26 73.08%  320  2   0 139.9 12.31 13.85    9  42  4.67  0    0   0
    
    COLIN KAEPERNICK
                                                       Pass                                          Rush              Scor    
    Rk   Year  G       Date    Age  Tm  Opp  Result GS     Cmp Att    Cmp%  Yds TD Int  Rate   Y/A  AY/A     Att Yds   Y/A TD      TD Pts
    10   2012 10 2012-11-19 25-016 SFO  CHI  W 32-7  *      16  23  69.57%  243  2   0 133.1 10.57 12.30       4  10  2.50  0       0   0
    
    CAM NEWTON
                                                       Pass                                          Rush              Scor    
    Rk   Year  G       Date    Age  Tm  Opp  Result GS     Cmp  Att   Cmp%  Yds TD Int  Rate   Y/A  AY/A     Att  Yds   Y/A TD   
    1    2011  1 2011-09-11 22-123 CAR  ARI L 21-28  *      24   37 64.86%  422  2   1 110.4 11.41 11.27       8   18  2.25  1 
    
    EJ MANUEL
                                                      Pass                                       Rush            
    Rk   Year G       Date    Age  Tm  Opp  Result GS  Cmp Att   Cmp% Yds TD Int  Rate  Y/A AY/A  Att Yds  Y/A TD
    1    2013 1 2013-09-08 23-173 BUF  NWE L 21-23  *   18  27 66.67% 150  2   0 105.5 5.56 7.04    3  23 7.67  0
    
    ANDY DALTON
                                                          Pass                                              Rush                 Scor    
    Rk   Year  G       Date    Age  Tm  Opp  Result GS     Cmp  Att   Cmp%  Yds TD Int  Rate   Y/A  AY/A     Att Yds   Y/A TD      TD Pts
    1    2011  1 2011-09-11 23-317 CIN  CLE W 27-17  *      10   15 66.67%   81  1   0 102.4  5.40  6.73       0   0        0       0   0
    
    JAKE LOCKER
                                                          Pass                                              Rush                 Scor    
    Rk   Year  G       Date    Age  Tm  Opp  Result GS     Cmp Att    Cmp%  Yds TD Int  Rate   Y/A  AY/A     Att Yds   Y/A TD      TD Pts
    6    2012  1 2012-09-09 24-086 TEN  NWE L 13-34  *      23  32  71.88%  229  1   1  89.2  7.16  6.38       2  11  5.50  0       0   0
    
    MARK SANCHEZ (might as well)
                                                          Pass                                              Rush                 Scor        
    Rk   Year  G       Date    Age  Tm  Opp  Result GS     Cmp  Att   Cmp%   Yds TD Int  Rate  Y/A  AY/A     Att Yds   Y/A TD      TD 2PM Pts
    1    2009  1 2009-09-13 22-306 NYJ  HOU  W 24-7  *      18   31 58.06%   272  1   1  84.3 8.77  7.97       5   6  1.20  0       0       0
    
    
    GENO SMITH
                                                      Pass                                      Rush            
    Rk   Year G       Date    Age  Tm  Opp  Result GS  Cmp Att   Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate  Y/A AY/A  Att Yds  Y/A TD
    1    2013 1 2013-09-08 22-333 NYJ  TAM W 18-17  *   24  38 63.16% 256  1   1 80.6 6.74 6.08    6  47 7.83  0
    
    
    BLAINE GABBERT
                                                          Pass                                              Rush             
    Rk   Year  G       Date    Age  Tm  Opp  Result GS     Cmp Att    Cmp%  Yds TD Int  Rate   Y/A  AY/A     Att Yds   Y/A TD
    2    2011  3 2011-09-25 21-345 JAX  CAR L 10-16  *      12  21  57.14%  139  1   1  73.3  6.62  5.43       4   2  0.50  0
    
    TERRELLE PRYOR (not rookie stats but similar situation)
                                                       Pass                                          Rush              Scor    
    Rk   Year  G       Date    Age  Tm  Opp  Result GS     Cmp Att    Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate  Y/A AY/A     Att Yds  Y/A TD 
    6    2013  1 2013-09-08 24-080 OAK  IND L 17-21  *      19  29  65.52% 217  1   2 70.6 7.48 5.07      13 112 8.62 
    
    RUSSELL WILSON
                                                          Pass                                             Rush                 Scor    
    Rk   Year  G       Date    Age  Tm  Opp  Result GS     Cmp Att   Cmp%  Yds TD Int  Rate   Y/A  AY/A     Att Yds   Y/A TD      TD Pts
    1    2012  1 2012-09-09 23-285 SEA  ARI L 16-20  *      18  34 52.94%  153  1   1  62.5  4.50  3.76       8  20  2.50  0       0   0
    
    ANDREW LUCK
                                                          Pass                                           Rush                 Scor    
    Rk   Year  G       Date    Age  Tm  Opp  Result GS     Cmp Att   Cmp%  Yds TD Int  Rate  Y/A AY/A     Att Yds   Y/A TD      TD Pts
    1    2012  1 2012-09-09 22-363 IND  CHI L 21-41  *      23  45 51.11%  309  1   3  52.9 6.87 4.31       2   9  4.50  0       0   0
    
    BRANDON WEEDEN
                                                          Pass                                             Rush             
    Rk   Year  G       Date    Age  Tm  Opp  Result GS     Cmp Att   Cmp%  Yds TD Int  Rate   Y/A  AY/A     Att Yds   Y/A TD
    1    2012  1 2012-09-09 28-331 CLE  PHI L 16-17  *      12  35 34.29%  118  0   4   5.1  3.37 -1.77       2  25 12.50  0
    Last edited by JCappy; 09-09-2013 at 03:16 PM.

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    That Wilson guy looks terrible. They should have tanked the season to try to get a top draft pick.

    Remember, with QBs, the best strategy is to tank the season as soon as they have a bad game, so that you can try again next year.

    I read it here on this very forum!

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    Stats are almost irrelevant in a rookie QB's first game. Way too many variables to simply look at a stat line.

    It's the eye-ball test from people that have been watching the game for many years.

    He looked good, had poise, zip on his ball and made plays when he needed to...

    He made two very bad plays also but overall a solid performance that can give a fan reason to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thshadow View Post
    That Wilson guy looks terrible. They should have tanked the season to try to get a top draft pick.

    Remember, with QBs, the best strategy is to tank the season as soon as they have a bad game, so that you can try again next year.

    I read it here on this very forum!
    Look at Andrew Luck, he was awful; but that's got be on a new team with 40 new players or whatever.

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    I fail to see what stats from other QB's has to do with the player we have. You have what you have; you are what you are. If he is coached well, he can develop into a great player. Rookie stats in this situation/position mean horse manure. Comparisons are so meaningless because of so many intangibles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PocketJet View Post
    I fail to see what stats from other QB's has to do with the player we have. You have what you have; you are what you are. If he is coached well, he can develop into a great player. Rookie stats in this situation/position mean horse manure. Comparisons are so meaningless because of so many intangibles.
    I agree the stats don't mean much but the point of the post was for people to keep things in perspective either way. I think Geno looked great and showed a lot of promise but I've already heard from both sides of the coin saying that he's either not the answer and we're going to crash and burn or that he's the second coming of Namath, after only one game. Stats like this don't prove anything - still interesting to see them IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fidelioion View Post
    Stats are almost irrelevant in a rookie QB's first game. Way too many variables to simply look at a stat line.

    It's the eye-ball test from people that have been watching the game for many years.

    He looked good, had poise, zip on his ball and made plays when he needed to...

    He made two very bad plays also but overall a solid performance that can give a fan reason to believe.
    This. Comparing QB stats whether they are a rookie or not is just a mission in absurdity, too many variables that aren't even looked at ( ie score of game, weather, looks the defense are giving etc...)

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    I generally don't put much if any stock into anything anyone else says...I judge by my own sights. However, Mangini (the analyst, not coach), Dilfer, and Steve young are the few guys I respect and trust with unbiased football analysis, and Steve Young just gave Geno Smith an A for his performance. Just putting it out there...

    btw: I am another one of those guys that said I preferred Sanchez over Geno. After one game, I'm ecstatic that I was wrong.

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    For a rookie in his first game, he looked really good. I don't think you can just look at the numbers through. The D-line was in his face all day long, and he had no running game whatsoever to help him. He's also facing 3 pro bowlers in the secondary, so it wasn't a cupcake game. Add to the fact, that it was a tight game all along, so even one mistake could've cost them the game, but he did very well. Not like he was just chucking it, down by 20 or anything.

    On his running performance, I don't think he's running that much in the future, as long as there is an semblance of a running game. The running game was bad enough, that it looked like Tampa was either bringing in LBs on blitzes, or dropping them off into coverage on WRs/TEs, and not accounting for the run. This makes the passing stats more impressive, but I think the coverage definitely helped his rushing stats. However, it was nice of him to actually notice that he had a lane to run in, rather than try to force throws.

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    geno had a nice game considering all of the drama and the defense was borderline great. and it's not like tampa wasn't playing good defense. they were and geno made plays. now they're going to play an untested patsie team with suspect runners, a lame qb, and china doll receiver. could be interesting.

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