Because he was a project player from a small college with limited football experience? Who was then bounced from G to T to G to T over his first few years in the league, stunting his development? (It's not a coincidence that he started showing up some when stuck at G last year and finally left alone). Who didn't have the benefit of a full NFL offseason until after his second year, thanks to the strike? (Again, not a coincidence that his growth happened between years 2 and 3 and years 3 and 4).But what's not being mentioned here is WHY did this take him so long? I mean after all, he was drafted in 2010 for Christ sake. NOW, on September 13, 2013 he is suddenly having his FIRST good game? So it takes him 3 and change years to have one good game? And now we get to deal with you meatheads coming out and defending him like he's some sort of hero and you guys were right all along?
Nah, that's ridiculous. Let's go with "your ignorant, impatient take was right all along, and this is obviously either a flash in the pan fluke or Ducasse was visited by aliens who switched his brain with John Hannah's." Those are really the only possible explanations.
(God, this fanbase is ridiculous)
LOL. He is a failure as a developmental player because it took him a few years to develop? To quote a great swordsman: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.Ducasse was drafted as the RT heir apparent. FAIL. He was drafted as a developmental player. FAIL. It took him 3 and change years for Jets fans to see ONE good game, not even great game, just a good game. FAIL. Will he EVER have another good game? FAIL.
Makes perfect sense. Take a guy who is making next to nothing in cap room, who just pancaked and otherwise destroyed one of the most dominant DTs of recent NFL history, and cut him to "get him off the books", because some redneck fisherman is afraid he may be proven wrong (again). Sounds like a plan!It's time for the Jets to cut bait with Ducasse and get him off the books. He is way too inconsistent for him to keep his job with the NYJ.
How about continue to play Ducasse, extend him mid-year at a reasonable number, and go into the offseason with only 2 OL FA to worry about rather than 3?
You're not even a SOJF. Calling you a SOJF would be an insult to SOJFs.The only reason why he kept his job through TC was because Brian Winters suffered through injuries during TC and into the season. And now you guys try to come on this board and act as though you were always so right and we are all a bunch of SOJF's? Get a f*cking clue.
It's about RESULTS, something we have NEVER seen from Ducasse. And those are the facts.
My problem with the pick is with Tanny, it isn't with Ducasse. You DO NOT draft PROJECT OL in the 2nd round. The fact is, every single team in the NFL relies on their first 3 draft picks (1st, 2nd, 3rd) to make an immediate impact. To do something. This guy was drafted like the Jets had more talent than any other team in the history of football. If you choose to take a project in the 7th round? Sure, go ahead. You're likely end up cutting all of you 7th rounders anyway. You DO NOT draft f*cking projects in the 2nd round.
From there my problem is with Ducasse. He's been terrible for so long. It's not like the Jets hadn't given him a chance.
Now, you guys are honking the horn stroking each other like you were always right. It defies logic and it is very laughable.
Ducasse was never drafted to play Rt( that was some fantasy dreamed up by Jet fans- doesn't have the feet to play tackle at NFL level) He was drafted to play LG. Just because you say it enough( Rt) was why he was drafted, means that is the truth.
Hey after showing patience and waiting for Ducasse to develop for years , get rid of him when he finally showing promise.( you have to be joking right). Hey you want to get rid of him now call Reggie Mckenzie he probably be interested in him. Ducasse keeps playing this way and he going to be in high demand next year in Fa.
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However I'm not sure what the general success rate of picks at the end of the 2nd round.
Actually, I'd say the Jets drafted him with the thought that his floor was as a G but that his upside was as a T - i.e. that they expected him to end up at G but were keeping an open mind on him at RT because if he could play there it would turn a good pick into a homerun. That's the only conceivable explanation for the team spending so much time playing and evaluating him at RT over his first two seasons. They only shifted him to G full time after they confirmed that the consensus on Ducasse (he wouldn't work as an NFL tackle) was right. That's part of what stunted his development.Ducasse was never drafted to play Rt( that was some fantasy dreamed up by Jet fans- doesn't have the feet to play tackle at NFL level) He was drafted to play LG. Just because you say it enough( Rt) was why he was drafted, means that is the truth.
No. You could just be from Maine. Poor guy has probably had to deal with Pats fan neighbors bashing Ducasse for yearsHey after showing patience and waiting for Ducasse to develop for years , get rid of him when he finally showing promise.( you have to be joking right). Hey you want to get rid of him now call Reggie Mckenzie he probably be interested in him.
7th round? A pick like that would actually make sense. 2nd round? That's f*cking stupidity and it might cause you to get FIRED.
He was bounced back and forth between G/T and T/G? You are so completely full of SH*T and haven't the faintest idea what the f*ck you are talking about. Please provide this PROOF of him getting bounced around between positions as though this was so bad for his oh so fragile psyche? What a crock of sh*t.
And in regards to the strike? Give me a f*cking break, that's lame even for a lawyer. EVERY player went through that strike.
Common sense rules the roost on this argument and I'm going to take the time to educate you on it....
The cream rises to the top no matter what.
That means if Ducasse was good enough to play Tackle, blocking TE he would have been left alone as you so call it so he could develop his craft. Well, he SUCKED. His stock did not rise, it plummeted as he lost how many TC competitions?
Now maybe in the world of lawyering you get 3 plus years of making f*cking excuses for yourself and get away with it. But in the world of pro football? No, they do not get sit on their A$$es in an office and make excuses as to why they suck at their job.
ONE GOOD GAME every 3 seasons? Yeah, that sounds good to me.
Like I said already if you think inconsistency to the point that you have one good game every 53 games? OK, good luck running the Raiders that way.
61. New York Jets
Vladimir Ducasse, OG Massachusetts 6-5, 332 (OT)
Overall Pick No. 61 CFN Overall Ranking: 74
This is about right. Ducasse can’t step in and produce right away, but if he’s given a little bit of time he could be a phenomenal get. The Jets have to be patient, but he might be tried out on the inside early on to see if he can flatten anyone.
Is he a tackle or a guard? A tremendous raw prospect, he has the prototype size and the quickness to become a star at tackle in time, he played his entire college career on the outside, but he’s not even close technique-wise. At the moment, he’s not an NFL tackle by any stretch. The raw tools are there and with the right coach he could be a perennial Pro Bowler. The Tuna once said it takes 3 years sometimes to find out what you have. So it took the start of year four for Vlad to be bad, better late then never..
And I would still view the guy as a bust or at least a MAJOR disappointment. You simply cannot field a team waiting 3 plus seasons for some return on the investment. There were many other players Tanny could have chosen that would provided an immediate return including OL.