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    A top 3 D = playoffs

    I looked back over the last 6 years...top 3 teams in D yardage. While some of these teams had great D stats because their offense kept them off the field, the fact is it would be a monumental abberation to have a top 3 D and not at least be 500...more likely tp be 10-6 plus.

    2012 Pitt, Denver, SF 8-8, 13-3, 11-4-1
    2011 Pitt, Houston, Balt 12-4, 10-6, 12-4
    2010 SD, Pitt, NYJ 9-7, 12-4, 11-5
    2009 NYJ, GB, Balt 9-7, 11-5, 9-7
    2008 Pitt, Balt, Phi 12-4, 11-5, 9-6-1
    2007 Pitt, TB, Indy 10-6, 9-7, 13-3

    Sorry SOJF's, just facts.

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    One thing one would have to look at is turnovers and basic offensive competence to go along with just a top 3 ranking.

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    How did they fair on PF, and then game by game, then division, the by out of division, then by out of conference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    One thing one would have to look at is turnovers and basic offensive competence to go along with just a top 3 ranking.
    My point would be that it is simply hard to find a top 3 defensive team that is not at least competitive. The turnover ratio and offensive stats would have to be epically poor (which would make a top 3 D almost impossible).

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    If our O can get it going, we may very well be looking at a wild card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfanri View Post
    My point would be that it is simply hard to find a top 3 defensive team that is not at least competitive. The turnover ratio and offensive stats would have to be epically poor (which would make a top 3 D almost impossible).
    With a top D, you can overcome mistakes on Offense and play more of a field position game. We should be in most games.

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    Nice research. I'm not convinced we have a top 3 defense yet but we certainly could. If nothing else it would give the offense and rookie qb time to gel while keeping us in most games.

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    Basically all of those teams had good offenses too. Really hope we make the playoffs though. d looks very good

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjfollower View Post
    Nice research. I'm not convinced we have a top 3 defense yet but we certainly could. If nothing else it would give the offense and rookie qb time to gel while keeping us in most games.
    Agree. Game 1, we faced a completely dysfunctional team. Game 2, we faced a team with receivers that dropped balls that would never be dropped by legitimate starters. While I love our front 7, I think the back end of our D still has a lot of huge question marks and all the early buzz about us having a "top defense" is ignoring what we saw with our own eyes in the first couple of games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman View Post
    Agree. Game 1, we faced a completely dysfunctional team. Game 2, we faced a team with receivers that dropped balls that would never be dropped by legitimate starters. While I love our front 7, I think the back end of our D still has a lot of huge question marks and all the early buzz about us having a "top defense" is ignoring what we saw with our own eyes in the first couple of games.
    The Patriots have a really tough offensive line and Brady gets the ball out extremely fast. Drops or not it's hard to hold that team down. It's hard this early to say just what the defense is, but I think they're pretty good. Good enough to give this team a chance to win every week. Just depends on how fast the offense can pull it together and start performing at a decent level. The Jets threw away points against the Pats and if they can cut down on those wasted scoring opportunities they'll be just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetsluva View Post
    The Patriots have a really tough offensive line and Brady gets the ball out extremely fast. Drops or not it's hard to hold that team down. It's hard this early to say just what the defense is, but I think they're pretty good. Good enough to give this team a chance to win every week. Just depends on how fast the offense can pull it together and start performing at a decent level. The Jets threw away points against the Pats and if they can cut down on those wasted scoring opportunities they'll be just fine.
    God, I would love to at least get in the tournament as Parcells use to say.
    When you have a good defense crazy chit can happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetster View Post
    God, I would love to at least get in the tournament as Parcells use to say.
    When you have a good defense crazy chit can happen.
    That's when you have 3 phases that can compete and maybe one is one isn't quite up to snuff. A good defense should keep you in games, but, an O and or ST's will have to win them.

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    The D, I think, is one of the best in the league. However, if the offense continues to perform the way they did in the first two weeks, the team won't have much of a chance because the D will be left out there too often.

    Without a running game, this team is looking at 5 or 6 wins. It's too much to ask of Geno and I don't think he can carry this offense by himself. If they can get the ball rolling offensively, just enough to keep the D fresh, they could be a playoff team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfanri View Post
    I looked back over the last 6 years...top 3 teams in D yardage. While some of these teams had great D stats because their offense kept them off the field, the fact is it would be a monumental abberation to have a top 3 D and not at least be 500...more likely tp be 10-6 plus.

    2012 Pitt, Denver, SF 8-8, 13-3, 11-4-1
    2011 Pitt, Houston, Balt 12-4, 10-6, 12-4
    2010 SD, Pitt, NYJ 9-7, 12-4, 11-5
    2009 NYJ, GB, Balt 9-7, 11-5, 9-7
    2008 Pitt, Balt, Phi 12-4, 11-5, 9-6-1
    2007 Pitt, TB, Indy 10-6, 9-7, 13-3

    Sorry SOJF's, just facts.
    Make sure joe w Namath doesn't read this. His little SOJF head will explode.

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    Good info, thx!

    Curious is that based on points allowed or yards allowed? ... I'd assume the results would be close but would like to know.

    Not being argumentative ... But if you still have the stats handy ... Would love to see a larger sample ... 10-15 year time frame would be really telling

    ... Regardless, appreciate the original post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apache 51 View Post
    That's when you have 3 phases that can compete and maybe one is one isn't quite up to snuff. A good defense should keep you in games, but, an O and or ST's will have to win them.

    Great point, in '09 we had a bunch of fake punts win games for us, without them, we wouldn't have made the playoffs,
    hope we go for it this year, but I dought it will happen with our new ST guy.

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    I honestly think, if given the snaps, Ivory is gonna get it going Sunday and the haters are gonna start backpedaling.

    That, or they'll say Buffalo isn't very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfanri View Post
    I looked back over the last 6 years...top 3 teams in D yardage. While some of these teams had great D stats because their offense kept them off the field, the fact is it would be a monumental abberation to have a top 3 D and not at least be 500...more likely tp be 10-6 plus.

    2012 Pitt, Denver, SF 8-8, 13-3, 11-4-1
    2011 Pitt, Houston, Balt 12-4, 10-6, 12-4
    2010 SD, Pitt, NYJ 9-7, 12-4, 11-5
    2009 NYJ, GB, Balt 9-7, 11-5, 9-7
    2008 Pitt, Balt, Phi 12-4, 11-5, 9-6-1
    2007 Pitt, TB, Indy 10-6, 9-7, 13-3

    Sorry SOJF's, just facts.
    I like it jetsfanri.

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    If we make the playoffs then the media bandwagon will be for Rex for Coach of the Year, right?
    He would have somehow gotten what they claimed was an abysmally poor team to the playoffs. Easy call for them, right? I'm not counting on it...

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