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    Quote Originally Posted by Trades View Post
    Stay out of other countries unless there is a direct threat to the US. Less military involvement.
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    Obummer and his socialist bs


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    Quote Originally Posted by Trades View Post
    health insurance - Obamacare is already showing its inefficiency and bloat. Many of the issues with health insurance are the limits mandated by government such as not being allowed to cross state lines and having to cover some rediculous stuff

    space exploration - Pretty soon private companies will have a huge edge in space. NASA hasn't exactly been a great organization since landing on the moon

    having an informed and literate population - Many private schools are doing a much better job at educating our kids. Public education isn't exactly the be all end all

    cutting edge technological research - Private industry is extremely good at research. I will even say that if it weren't for the government choosing their winners and spending our time and money on boondoggles such as all the great solar companies they have backed that failed because it was already outdated tech and corn based biodiesel that has no only hurt alternative energy research but also American farming through subsidies that we would be just fine without government in this arena.

    law enforcement - Yes this is a good place for government but most of it is local/state except for the bloated and invasive FBI/CIA/NSA/Homeland Security feds.

    food inspection/regulation - Again another good area for government

    the safeguarding of your civil liberties ROFLMAO NSA is reading this and says hi.
    Obamacare is not government healthcare - it's a way to keep the private insurance system we have now.

    Space exploration - I love spaceX and will soon buy stock when I can - but they could not have existed without NASA's initial investment - and we're not going to make it to Mars or leave the solar system without NASA doing it first. Why would a company land people on mars or leave the solar system? They would at least need some hope of turning that into a profitable business which they would not have without Rovers or Astronauts going there first for discovery.

    I agree that many private schools are better than public schools - but having an informed and literate population does not end with "for those who can afford it", as we don't disenfranchise those who could not afford a good education. However distasteful it might seem, we need public schools.

    Cutting edge technological research - neither government nor private industry have the monopoly here, but government does have a place here.

    Safeguarding our liberties? The NSA is violating the same amendment that Stop and Frisk is - for the same reason. I don't think the NSA has any right to violate our privacy without a court order and I'm glad Snowden went whistleblower. But the solution is not private enterprise - it's voting. When the American people see something they believe is a violation of their rights, they need to vote.

    In all of these, i'm not making the case that government is perfect - but rather that government can be the better answer in certain situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    Obamacare is not government healthcare - it's a way to keep the private insurance system we have now.

    Space exploration - I love spaceX and will soon buy stock when I can - but they could not have existed without NASA's initial investment - and we're not going to make it to Mars or leave the solar system without NASA doing it first. Why would a company land people on mars or leave the solar system? They would at least need some hope of turning that into a profitable business which they would not have without Rovers or Astronauts going there first for discovery.

    I agree that many private schools are better than public schools - but having an informed and literate population does not end with "for those who can afford it", as we don't disenfranchise those who could not afford a good education. However distasteful it might seem, we need public schools.

    Cutting edge technological research - neither government nor private industry have the monopoly here, but government does have a place here.

    Safeguarding our liberties? The NSA is violating the same amendment that Stop and Frisk is - for the same reason. I don't think the NSA has any right to violate our privacy without a court order and I'm glad Snowden went whistleblower. But the solution is not private enterprise - it's voting. When the American people see something they believe is a violation of their rights, they need to vote.

    In all of these, i'm not making the case that government is perfect - but rather that government can be the better answer in certain situations.
    I worked for ITT who had a large number of Gov't contracts. The Internet and GPS were developed by the Dept of Defense. The military develops many useful things are benefits to global society. Some of the top secret stuff you don't know about today may in your house tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    Obamacare is not government healthcare - it's a way to keep the private insurance system we have now.

    Space exploration - I love spaceX and will soon buy stock when I can - but they could not have existed without NASA's initial investment - and we're not going to make it to Mars or leave the solar system without NASA doing it first. Why would a company land people on mars or leave the solar system? They would at least need some hope of turning that into a profitable business which they would not have without Rovers or Astronauts going there first for discovery.

    I agree that many private schools are better than public schools - but having an informed and literate population does not end with "for those who can afford it", as we don't disenfranchise those who could not afford a good education. However distasteful it might seem, we need public schools.

    Cutting edge technological research - neither government nor private industry have the monopoly here, but government does have a place here.

    Safeguarding our liberties? The NSA is violating the same amendment that Stop and Frisk is - for the same reason. I don't think the NSA has any right to violate our privacy without a court order and I'm glad Snowden went whistleblower. But the solution is not private enterprise - it's voting. When the American people see something they believe is a violation of their rights, they need to vote.

    In all of these, i'm not making the case that government is perfect - but rather that government can be the better answer in certain situations.

    You are moving the line. I was answering your question of "What is the private sector better at then the government?" and using your examples as a base I was pointing out where I felt you were wrong.

    Obamacare is the first step toward government healthcare and the government is trying to screw it up for everyone to try and save the 10 people that Obamacare might help.

    I disagree on space exploration. Companies are looking at ways to have colonies on the moon and mars already. Once there is a foothold they will continue to expand. Nasa is already looking to private industry and Russia for space shots. Well done government!

    Yes public schools are necessary they are hardly good on the whole and again the question was "What is the private sector better at then the government?". Competition and choice could greatly improve public education IMO.

    What is your reasoning for government having a place in research? I gave reasons why I think it is a detriment but you saying it has a place with no reasoning is pointless.

    There are a lot of people against Stop and Frisk and even Stop and Frisk has some reasoning behind who they are targeting. The NSA has admitted to abuse of power as has the IRS. http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-va...love-interests

    There isn't one "case made" in your post. The biggest problem with government in these and other arenas is that it is so big it is resistant to impervious to change. Private industry, absent the interference of government, HAS to be fluid or it gets overrun by the competition. This keeps prices reasonable and encourages innovation. If something isn't working in private industry you had better move on because without a government hand out you are toast. Take the solar panel debacle for American industry. Our government paid incentives for people to stay on old technology so China passed us by while we were fiddling. Do you really think that if the companies that were chosen as a good investment by our government weren't paid to keep going that they would have continues trying to make and sell inferior products? They would have either changed direction or gone out of business. All this did was flush tax dollars down the drain. Add up all of these types of subsidies and it amounts to a huge amount of money. Before you say it, yes, this includes farm and oil subsidies. There is a very good chance that our farm subsidies and its love of corn has produced the obesity problems in America. Government is LOADED with unintended consequences that we all must suffer through even when the base concept of the idea has merit such as universal health care. The base concept of equal health care for everyone make a ton of sense until you look under the covers and see all the damage that it can also cause. Hell I will even allow that the concept of Communism makes sense on a 3 year old's level but once you start considering the consequences and human nature it is obvious to everyone that it is an impossible idea to put into practice.

    All of these things just cater to the lowest common denominator and force everyone to live at an equal low rather than raising the low up to meet some implied ideal median and the only way any of it can be imposed is at the implied or stated point of a gun.

    What government is good at and necessary for; national defense and protecting personal and property rights and regulation, when legislated under and equal and fair set of understandable laws makes sense. That is what keeps us civilized and sets the rules for the "free" market. Government is necessary but it has grown out of control to the point that people think it is some magical entity that can actually achieve something on its own. Our government is so huge we can barely make the interest payments any more but people want MORE government.

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    I would make a government and its elected officials, actually work for the best interest of America and the people they are supposed to serve.
    Not the political parties the are in, not the big businesses that keep them in office, but the people and the country. If this were to happen then all the other issues that are out there would fall right in line. Nice dream right....... Never going to happen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fltflo View Post
    I would make a government and its elected officials, actually work for the best interest of America and the people they are supposed to serve.
    Not the political parties the are in, not the big businesses that keep them in office, but the people and the country. If this were to happen then all the other issues that are out there would fall right in line. Nice dream right....... Never going to happen.


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    How would you do this though? Are your ideas of "the best interest of America" the same as mine or anyone else's? The only way to achieve this is through a small and limited government that isn't expected to fix every problem. There is no one size fits all answer for a country of 300+ million people. If you have ever been to a town council meeting for a small town you will see that it is even difficult to make everyone in a small town happy let alone a country. This is why local and state governments should be making most of the rules leaving the Federal government to make high level laws and oversee the smaller state governments.

    Who do you feel would be the appropriate person to determine our best interests? Delegating those responsibilities to the Fed is what got us here.

    On top of that you would also have to figure out how to pay for everything and who pays how much, etc.

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    In response to the last two posts i believe the alternative vote does a lot to encourage "governing in the best interest of the people" or at least governing in the way more people would actually want.

    Right now the recipe for success is doing just enough to satisfy your base, while trying not to piss off the other side enough that they really vote in force. Let Libertarians vote libertarian without wasting thier vote. Same for Green party, and all the other small guys out there. I think you'll see both old stagnant parties begin to move in a direction that at least most Americans would be happy with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trades View Post
    Stay out of other countries unless there is a direct threat to the US. Less military involvement.
    This.

    And less "aid" to other countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post
    This.

    And less "aid" to other countries.
    i saw a special on TV about Bill Gates' foundation. He is helping man kind by inventing low cost aids pills, new type of toilet, laser that destroys malaria carrying mosquitos, all kinds of cool stuff at a fractional of the cost gov'ts would spend.

    Most of our aid ends up in the pockets of dictators. Our aid ought to go to a foundation like Gates has. Everything is efficient and productive. The money is all accountable and contractors that don't produce are banned forever. Our system sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trades View Post
    There isn't one "case made" in your post.
    I did not want to have to go through each one - but I will, it will take some days. You can wait for all of them or respond in turn, but I'm going to get each one out before I respond back.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trades View Post
    You are moving the line. I was answering your question of "What is the private sector better at then the government?" and using your examples as a base I was pointing out where I felt you were wrong.

    Obamacare is the first step toward government healthcare and the government is trying to screw it up for everyone to try and save the 10 people that Obamacare might help.
    If we first disregard every example of socialized medicine from around the world - which we'll get back to - "Obamacare" is at heart, a Heritage Foundation plan given a shot by Romney during his Foxboro days. The 'guts' of the problem in the American health insurance industry, the reason we have an issue - is the class divide of our service. Sure, we have the best medicine - if you have lots of money or a premier, expensive policy. If you don't, the private insurance industry has been more expensive for you and not paying out as much or as well as your Japanese, German, and Canadian counterparts around the world.

    At heart, Obamacare is still part of the problem. Instead of using his political capital upon entering office to put forth a public system, he opted for regulation of the private insurance industry and the mandate to buy private insurance. This plan gives the private insurance industry 50 million more people paying premiums, some healthy and some not. And it tries to regulate the industry more. It's deeply complex, none of us can here can claim to have mastered it and it's complex for businesses as well.

    Why not go public? Look at this, it's astounding:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3825477.html

    Each country was ranked on three criteria: life expectancy (weighted 60%), relative per capita cost of health care (30%); and absolute per capita cost of health care (10%). Countries were scored on each criterion and the scores were weighted and summed to obtain their efficiency scores. Relative cost is health cost per capita as a percentage of GDP per capita. Absolute cost is total health expenditure, which covers preventive and curative health services, family planning, nutrition activities and emergency aid. Included were countries with populations of at least five million, GDP per capita of at least $5,000 and life expectancy of at least 70 years.
    Despite being considered by some as having the freest economy in the world, Hong Kong's universal health care system involves heavy government participation; its own health secretary calls public medicine the "cornerstone" of the system. Public hospitals account for 90 percent of in-patient procedures, while the numerous private options are mostly used by the wealthy.

    All this government care isn't taking much of a bite out of the state's bustling economy: According to Bloomberg, Hong Kong spends just 3.8 percent of GDP on health care per capita, tied for the third-lowest among nations surveyed and good for the most efficient health care system in the world.
    Why are we not looking for the best solutions to a problem anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trades View Post
    I disagree on space exploration. Companies are looking at ways to have colonies on the moon and mars already. Once there is a foothold they will continue to expand. Nasa is already looking to private industry and Russia for space shots. Well done government!
    Presently, the private space industry is just breaking ground on low orbit flights to an international space station. That's not even the moon. NASA has a rover on mars...

    Listen I'm excited about the burgeoning commercial space industry, but they're organizing around profitability for routine flights into low earth orbit for movement of supplies right now. NASA is on Mars.

    Oh yea and they decomissioned the Space Shuttle because it 40 year old technology (and still the best in the world), but not good enough for ambitions - all through the worst economic crises in 80 years - and for half a penny on the dollar.

    Bring some troops home, have one less aircraft carrier and make it a penny on the dollar!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    I did not want to have to go through each one - but I will, it will take some days. You can wait for all of them or respond in turn, but I'm going to get each one out before I respond back.



    If we first disregard every example of socialized medicine from around the world - which we'll get back to - "Obamacare" is at heart, a Heritage Foundation plan given a shot by Romney during his Foxboro days. The 'guts' of the problem in the American health insurance industry, the reason we have an issue - is the class divide of our service. Sure, we have the best medicine - if you have lots of money or a premier, expensive policy. If you don't, the private insurance industry has been more expensive for you and not paying out as much or as well as your Japanese, German, and Canadian counterparts around the world.

    At heart, Obamacare is still part of the problem. Instead of using his political capital upon entering office to put forth a public system, he opted for regulation of the private insurance industry and the mandate to buy private insurance. This plan gives the private insurance industry 50 million more people paying premiums, some healthy and some not. And it tries to regulate the industry more. It's deeply complex, none of us can here can claim to have mastered it and it's complex for businesses as well.

    Why not go public? Look at this, it's astounding:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3825477.html





    Why are we not looking for the best solutions to a problem anymore?
    You are comparing Hong Kong, a country with 7 million people, (less than NYC) to America? That is nonsense. We have porous borders and about 300 Million more people over a huge geographic area. Also using Life Expectancy as 60% of the score is not relative on sample sizes that are almost 100 times different than each other.


    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post

    Presently, the private space industry is just breaking ground on low orbit flights to an international space station. That's not even the moon. NASA has a rover on mars...

    Listen I'm excited about the burgeoning commercial space industry, but they're organizing around profitability for routine flights into low earth orbit for movement of supplies right now. NASA is on Mars.

    Oh yea and they decomissioned the Space Shuttle because it 40 year old technology (and still the best in the world), but not good enough for ambitions - all through the worst economic crises in 80 years - and for half a penny on the dollar.

    Bring some troops home, have one less aircraft carrier and make it a penny on the dollar!

    Look I love what NASA has accomplished and I would love to see troops brought home and money not wasted fighting other people's wars or the "drug war" for that matter. I think the money could be much better spent or god forbid not taken from the American people in the first place. I hope private industry can make strides in space exploration over the next decade or so or that NASA can pull their heads out of their asses and stop missions to bring science to Muslims and having outreach programs to other countries. NASA needs to have 1 mission, space exploration, period. They have lost their way.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...emost-mission/
    Bolden created a firestorm after telling Al Jazeera last month that President Obama told him before he took the job that he wanted him to do three things: inspire children to learn math and science, expand international relationships and "perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science ... and math and engineering."
    No mention of shooting things into space or research?!?! Your video is clear propaganda.

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    I know this would never happen, but I would put an end to monetary gifts to politicians from lobby groups. Or at least limit it to no more than say $500.
    I believe lobby groups are a major problem in democracies. In essence it is legalized bribery. Politicians need to be elected and re-elected and they need a tremendous amount of money to do that. Lobby groups no this and use it to their advantage.
    Get rid of the lobby groups and you will get rid of a great deal of this legalized corruption

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