Obummer and his socialist bs
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Obummer and his socialist bs
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Space exploration - I love spaceX and will soon buy stock when I can - but they could not have existed without NASA's initial investment - and we're not going to make it to Mars or leave the solar system without NASA doing it first. Why would a company land people on mars or leave the solar system? They would at least need some hope of turning that into a profitable business which they would not have without Rovers or Astronauts going there first for discovery.
I agree that many private schools are better than public schools - but having an informed and literate population does not end with "for those who can afford it", as we don't disenfranchise those who could not afford a good education. However distasteful it might seem, we need public schools.
Cutting edge technological research - neither government nor private industry have the monopoly here, but government does have a place here.
Safeguarding our liberties? The NSA is violating the same amendment that Stop and Frisk is - for the same reason. I don't think the NSA has any right to violate our privacy without a court order and I'm glad Snowden went whistleblower. But the solution is not private enterprise - it's voting. When the American people see something they believe is a violation of their rights, they need to vote.
In all of these, i'm not making the case that government is perfect - but rather that government can be the better answer in certain situations.
You are moving the line. I was answering your question of "What is the private sector better at then the government?" and using your examples as a base I was pointing out where I felt you were wrong.
Obamacare is the first step toward government healthcare and the government is trying to screw it up for everyone to try and save the 10 people that Obamacare might help.
I disagree on space exploration. Companies are looking at ways to have colonies on the moon and mars already. Once there is a foothold they will continue to expand. Nasa is already looking to private industry and Russia for space shots. Well done government!
Yes public schools are necessary they are hardly good on the whole and again the question was "What is the private sector better at then the government?". Competition and choice could greatly improve public education IMO.
What is your reasoning for government having a place in research? I gave reasons why I think it is a detriment but you saying it has a place with no reasoning is pointless.
There are a lot of people against Stop and Frisk and even Stop and Frisk has some reasoning behind who they are targeting. The NSA has admitted to abuse of power as has the IRS. http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-va...love-interests
There isn't one "case made" in your post. The biggest problem with government in these and other arenas is that it is so big it is resistant to impervious to change. Private industry, absent the interference of government, HAS to be fluid or it gets overrun by the competition. This keeps prices reasonable and encourages innovation. If something isn't working in private industry you had better move on because without a government hand out you are toast. Take the solar panel debacle for American industry. Our government paid incentives for people to stay on old technology so China passed us by while we were fiddling. Do you really think that if the companies that were chosen as a good investment by our government weren't paid to keep going that they would have continues trying to make and sell inferior products? They would have either changed direction or gone out of business. All this did was flush tax dollars down the drain. Add up all of these types of subsidies and it amounts to a huge amount of money. Before you say it, yes, this includes farm and oil subsidies. There is a very good chance that our farm subsidies and its love of corn has produced the obesity problems in America. Government is LOADED with unintended consequences that we all must suffer through even when the base concept of the idea has merit such as universal health care. The base concept of equal health care for everyone make a ton of sense until you look under the covers and see all the damage that it can also cause. Hell I will even allow that the concept of Communism makes sense on a 3 year old's level but once you start considering the consequences and human nature it is obvious to everyone that it is an impossible idea to put into practice.
All of these things just cater to the lowest common denominator and force everyone to live at an equal low rather than raising the low up to meet some implied ideal median and the only way any of it can be imposed is at the implied or stated point of a gun.
What government is good at and necessary for; national defense and protecting personal and property rights and regulation, when legislated under and equal and fair set of understandable laws makes sense. That is what keeps us civilized and sets the rules for the "free" market. Government is necessary but it has grown out of control to the point that people think it is some magical entity that can actually achieve something on its own. Our government is so huge we can barely make the interest payments any more but people want MORE government.
I would make a government and its elected officials, actually work for the best interest of America and the people they are supposed to serve.
Not the political parties the are in, not the big businesses that keep them in office, but the people and the country. If this were to happen then all the other issues that are out there would fall right in line. Nice dream right....... Never going to happen.
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Who do you feel would be the appropriate person to determine our best interests? Delegating those responsibilities to the Fed is what got us here.
On top of that you would also have to figure out how to pay for everything and who pays how much, etc.
In response to the last two posts i believe the alternative vote does a lot to encourage "governing in the best interest of the people" or at least governing in the way more people would actually want.
Right now the recipe for success is doing just enough to satisfy your base, while trying not to piss off the other side enough that they really vote in force. Let Libertarians vote libertarian without wasting thier vote. Same for Green party, and all the other small guys out there. I think you'll see both old stagnant parties begin to move in a direction that at least most Americans would be happy with.
Most of our aid ends up in the pockets of dictators. Our aid ought to go to a foundation like Gates has. Everything is efficient and productive. The money is all accountable and contractors that don't produce are banned forever. Our system sucks.
At heart, Obamacare is still part of the problem. Instead of using his political capital upon entering office to put forth a public system, he opted for regulation of the private insurance industry and the mandate to buy private insurance. This plan gives the private insurance industry 50 million more people paying premiums, some healthy and some not. And it tries to regulate the industry more. It's deeply complex, none of us can here can claim to have mastered it and it's complex for businesses as well.
Why not go public? Look at this, it's astounding:
Each country was ranked on three criteria: life expectancy (weighted 60%), relative per capita cost of health care (30%); and absolute per capita cost of health care (10%). Countries were scored on each criterion and the scores were weighted and summed to obtain their efficiency scores. Relative cost is health cost per capita as a percentage of GDP per capita. Absolute cost is total health expenditure, which covers preventive and curative health services, family planning, nutrition activities and emergency aid. Included were countries with populations of at least five million, GDP per capita of at least $5,000 and life expectancy of at least 70 years.Why are we not looking for the best solutions to a problem anymore?Despite being considered by some as having the freest economy in the world, Hong Kong's universal health care system involves heavy government participation; its own health secretary calls public medicine the "cornerstone" of the system. Public hospitals account for 90 percent of in-patient procedures, while the numerous private options are mostly used by the wealthy.
All this government care isn't taking much of a bite out of the state's bustling economy: According to Bloomberg, Hong Kong spends just 3.8 percent of GDP on health care per capita, tied for the third-lowest among nations surveyed and good for the most efficient health care system in the world.
Listen I'm excited about the burgeoning commercial space industry, but they're organizing around profitability for routine flights into low earth orbit for movement of supplies right now. NASA is on Mars.
Oh yea and they decomissioned the Space Shuttle because it 40 year old technology (and still the best in the world), but not good enough for ambitions - all through the worst economic crises in 80 years - and for half a penny on the dollar.
Bring some troops home, have one less aircraft carrier and make it a penny on the dollar!
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No mention of shooting things into space or research?!?! Your video is clear propaganda.Bolden created a firestorm after telling Al Jazeera last month that President Obama told him before he took the job that he wanted him to do three things: inspire children to learn math and science, expand international relationships and "perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science ... and math and engineering."
I know this would never happen, but I would put an end to monetary gifts to politicians from lobby groups. Or at least limit it to no more than say $500.
I believe lobby groups are a major problem in democracies. In essence it is legalized bribery. Politicians need to be elected and re-elected and they need a tremendous amount of money to do that. Lobby groups no this and use it to their advantage.
Get rid of the lobby groups and you will get rid of a great deal of this legalized corruption