It is also NONSENSE to say we are REQUIRED to have homeowners insurance. Not true. We just have to have it if we want to get a loan. However, if we own our home, we can do whatever the f*ck we want. We are NOT required to have homeowners insurance.
Now, I certainly wouldn't suggest anyone to go without homeowners insurance if they own their home. Sounds like a pretty dumb move. But to say things like homeowners insurance is required by law is simply inaccurate and does not tell the whole truth, especially when you are debating health care.
The truth is we waste a lot of money doing things that do not make medical sense. A government health policy should cover items that only make medical sense. If you want services that make no medical sense, you are free to pay for it on your own.
And why did you chose the UK's NHS. Why not director of Germany or France's public health systems, you know, the ones that deliver better care than even ours.
And to confront your claim that the VA controls costs... That is pure nonsense. Medical providers and medical supply companies DO NOT sell their products and services at a loss. That sh*t costs money and they are damn sure going to make a profit, or else they will stop selling it.
The VA has only "CONTROLLED" costs at the cost of others. So although it is almost free for me, depending on the procedure I am having done, it likely means someone else is getting bent over a barrel.
That is not controlling costs. That is robbing Peter to pay Paul and it is crap. It also covers up the real problem here which I have already spoken of and that is making healthcare affordable for any American that wants it.
The Affordable Care Act is law, like it or not. If you don't like the law, then repeal it or write a new law to replace it. Congress is failing its job miserably, and economically holding the country hostage serves no good.
Two interesting facts came to light....
1. Plan costs more than $100 out of pocket, it's the tax credit the buyer will get in the future (and each year) that reduced the cost to an average of under $100/month.
2. The Plans in this cost bracket cover almost nothing, and include a $5,000 per person deductible, i.e. the first $5,000 in expenses will be paid out of pocket by the individual.
Judge for yourself if these are concerns or not. I'm guessing a "poor person" who is now legally required to buy at the least this plan will be quite the unhappy camper when they get their first bill.
The ones I feel for are the folsk whose employers have cut their Health Insurance benefits and who are now being forced into this exchange. Thos folsk will find (I think) vastly inferior service than what they were getting.
Yup, sure sounds compassionate to me. Sounds just like the NHS lackey who told my mother recently that it's be at least 2 months before she's be seen for her crippling knee pain. You care about pain in a very general, detached way Ken, the "pain" of the so-called poor not getting a free handout at our expense. But real pain.....for a Doctor, you come accorss here as cold, uncaring and cruel as anyone whose discussed the issue here.Originally Posted by kennyo
Like your "Knee replacement is not the only solution to dealing with knee pain from degenerative joint disease and is certainly not a medical emergency" line of reasoning, the NHS is happy to give folsk highly addictive pain medication instead of actual care, regardless of patients past history of such meds causing them great problems.
The truth is you prioritize the medical care of unproductive non-working, non-paying layabouts and welfare vaccums over tax paying Americans, and would force a Universal System upon us all that would not only create far longer waits for service for prodcuctive people vs. today, but would also be very liable to begin using political considerations for prioritization fo treatment, as is done is almost every other Govt. program in the U.S. Women and minorities to the top ofthe line, for histroical bias reasons, white men cn wait for their care.....who pays the tax that pays for it be damned, right Ken?The truth is we waste a lot of money....
Because I know how it works, the harm and suffering it causes, and that it's the system most likely to be in place here within the next 50 years or so.And why did you chose the UK's NHS.
When you combine employer and employee costs for a HDHP in today's market, it typically costs a few hundred dollars a month. The Affordable Care Act is poorly named. Any decreases in health insurance costs due to a bigger pool are easily offset by the various mandates put on medical coverage.
We had an employment based, for-profit, private health care system, and nothing has fundamentally changed.
Let's go back to the old system where people with no insurance go to the hospital, get treated, don't pay their bill an the cost is absorbed by people who do have health insurance.
Worked great for years. No idea why Dummycrats would try to change that. Don't rock the proverbial boat...
The problem is people who choose not to do basic things, like get health insurance, then turn round and blame the rest of us when they get sick.
It's a bit odd to BE the problem, then complain ABOUT the problem, doncha think?
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