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    With ever increased funding, in other words taxes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill57737
    Here is my take:

    The battle is over, the right lost. Obamacare, and eventually a Single-Payer Govt. Controlled System, are inevitabillities.

    This choice, the shutdown, is a poorly thought out tactic that only sounds good in the echo-chamber of the most aggressive right-wing.

    It will not succeed (fail in it's objective) and will be harmful long-term to efforts on this and other issues (political fallout).

    Put simply, the battle over Social Welfarism and Government power has, IMO, been lost and the course of the nation (directed by it's people, not just (D)) is somewhat set in stone now.

    You don't have to like it, but that dislike will not change it. 50 years from now we'll look very much like the UK, except with a 60% non-white majority, full amnesty for immigration (i.e. open borders in fact if not in law), full socialized healthcare and energy industries.
    Precisely why the shutdown is a wonderful thing. This fire has started, and there's no stopping it. Might as well throw in a few firecrackers and enjoy.

    Of course, on the flip side, it obviously means more free time for furloughed employees to post here

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    My take is the shut down last 10 days. Just because.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doggin94it View Post
    Or rent a house/apartment (or pay in full rather than borrow), and take public transportation. I'd say most NYers don't have either or both car/homeowner's insurance
    hey, problem solved, everyone in the US can move to NYC or pash cash for their house.

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    LOLing at the government shutdown and how predictable it all is.

    At how the press is inundating us with scare stories at the carnage already taking place because a few parks weren't open today.

    At how all the welfare queen government workers are direly predicting starvation for their children because they've missed a day's pay.

    At how the democrats are hypocritically immediately shutting down any and every popular government service they can, crying they have no choice, so they can lay the blame on the republicans.

    At how the republicans are a bunch of dour, leaderless, crankypants with no plan other than acting the angry child.

    The current lead headline on the (pro-welfare) Washington Post: "Long shutdown feared!"

    The current lead stories on my local news tonight: How the closure of a bathroom at a state park is already devasting the region's fall leaf peeper economy.

    What a joke. If this shutdown lasts more than two weeks I'll eat a goat. If it has any significant, lasting negative impact on anyone at all I'll eat two goats and a car battery. It's a whole lot of nothing posturing. In the end, for the government workers it'll amount to a two week vacation during the nice fall weather for which they'll all get retroactive back pay. And once again the tax payer will be stuck with the bill.

    Thanks republican party.
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    And for anyone who thinks a venerable institution like the Washington Post would never take sides in a political debate or stoop to trumped up scare tactics or throwing gas on a fire, here's their current front page. I took this screen shot myself five minutes ago. And oh, the picture of the three chicks hugging is apparently three government workers distraught and comforting each other at the thought of their impending two week taxpayer paid vacation.


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    To the right wings against ACA, I'd bet your tune would change a whole lot if it was your child who came down with a long-term life-threatening illness.

    Your private, free market, non-socialist insurance company heroes would drop you like a bad habit.

    You would think a party so pro-life would be, I don't know, more pro-life? Sorry anyone over the age of a fetus, quality of life doesn't apply here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanchez 3:16 View Post
    To the right wings against ACA, I'd bet your tune would change a whole lot if it was your child who came down with a long-term life-threatening illness.

    Your private, free market, non-socialist insurance company heroes would drop you like a bad habit.

    You would think a party so pro-life would be, I don't know, more pro-life? Sorry anyone over the age of a fetus, quality of life doesn't apply here.
    I myself am not pro-life. And if your kid became sick with a long-term life-threatening illness, and you had insurance, I would certainly back you to the hilt if your insurance company tried to break its contract and weasel out of its obligation. THAT'S THE POINT OF WHY YOU GET INSURANCE. THAT'S THE CONTRACT. If you opt not to put safeguards in place in the form of insurance, if you opt to be the grasshopper instead of the ant, that's a risk you choose and it's your right o choose it. But why would you expect others to bail you out if your gamble fails? That's like a gambler expecting the government to cover his mortgage payments if he loses his money at a casino.

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    I want this law fully implemented for everyone, unions, big corporations everyone. Let us see the pain hit every one hard. Let see the pain hit everyone. Let us see what happens then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanchez 3:16 View Post
    To the right wings against ACA, I'd bet your tune would change a whole lot if it was your child who came down with a long-term life-threatening illness.

    Your private, free market, non-socialist insurance company heroes would drop you like a bad habit.

    You would think a party so pro-life would be, I don't know, more pro-life? Sorry anyone over the age of a fetus, quality of life doesn't apply here.
    And how does that make Obama care any better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MnJetFan View Post
    I want this law fully implemented for everyone, unions, big corporations everyone. Let us see the pain hit every one hard. Let see the pain hit everyone. Let us see what happens then!
    Well, that was essentially the republicans last offer before this whole sh*t show started. Like was mentioned already, they offered a one year moratorium on Obama Care and wanted the politicians to commit to Obama Care right along with us "regular" people.

    The democrats voted it down. That's the problem here in my estimation. Democrats want to tell you how to live your life, but meanwhile what they are telling you is not for them. They can do whatever they want. It's hypocritical from the very second they start talking. How anyone could possibly trust people like that I will never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushyTheBeaver View Post
    And for anyone who thinks a venerable institution like the Washington Post would never take sides in a political debate or stoop to trumped up scare tactics or throwing gas on a fire, here's their current front page. I took this screen shot myself five minutes ago. And oh, the picture of the three chicks hugging is apparently three government workers distraught and comforting each other at the thought of their impending two week taxpayer paid vacation.


    Hmmmm...

    Why are you stalking a chick named Beth Duvivier?

    Also, Welker is no longer a Pat but you still seem a bit infatuated with his wife...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite View Post
    Welker is no longer a Pat but you still seem a bit infatuated with his wife...
    Three guesses at which party she votes for...

    Anna-Burns-Welker-hot-pictures.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanchez 3:16 View Post
    To the right wings against ACA, I'd bet your tune would change a whole lot if it was your child who came down with a long-term life-threatening illness.

    Your private, free market, non-socialist insurance company heroes would drop you like a bad habit.

    You would think a party so pro-life would be, I don't know, more pro-life? Sorry anyone over the age of a fetus, quality of life doesn't apply here.
    You don't understand what insurance means do you?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetPotato View Post
    Precisely why the shutdown is a wonderful thing. This fire has started, and there's no stopping it. Might as well throw in a few firecrackers and enjoy.

    Of course, on the flip side, it obviously means more free time for furloughed employees to post here
    Even if true, you're wrong, because the "shutdown" is more political theatre than actual reality.

    According to local news reports, Aprox. 85% of the Federal Government is remaining in operation right now. Including almost all of the big and important stuff.

    That which isn't, even if not working, will get paid when it's over.

    And the things that ARE closed, like the Parks, are clear-cut political theatre.....because they are still paying a man to put up barriers and to provide security for the "closed" memorials here in DC that otherwise would be open with that same man doing teh same thing sans the barriers.

    The shutdown is a joke. Nothing has changed, hell, traffic here is as bad today as it is any other day, and thats simply not the case on days when the Government is REALLY shut down (like a Federal Holiday weekday).

    Don't fall for media-driven hype Tater, you're far too brilliant for that.

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    Im confused. The law was passed and the SC confirmed it was Constitutional.

    is this how we are going to govern? Demand "compromise" on laws?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2 View Post
    Im confused. The law was passed and the SC confirmed it was Constitutional.

    is this how we are going to govern? Demand "compromise" on laws?
    Remind me, but throughout the Bush Administration I recall numerous cries and threats amongst progressives and democrats, elected and otherwise, to "defund the War".

    Now, they lacked the stones to do it....obviously.....but it's pretty clear that (D) had this idea first. (R) simply used it.

    And yes, the budgetary process is ALSO part of governance, so yes, it is a part where something can be fought over in the form of funding.

    P.S. Remind me, but didn't Immigration Law ALSO "get passed"......I don't think THAT Law got nearly the holy reverence this one seems to be getting from (D).

    Clearly, simply being "passed" is not and neevr has been the be all end all of gevernance.

    or would you feel better if an (R) President gets elected, and simply decides he's not going to enforce some parts of the ACA instead, as the President did with Immigration Law?

    Is Governance by Singular Executive Decree a better way to go you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2 View Post
    Im confused. The law was passed and the SC confirmed it was Constitutional.

    is this how we are going to govern? Demand "compromise" on laws?
    Meh. The SC took the easy way out declaring it a tax. Just like they took the easy way out on Roe v Wade by calling it a privacy issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill View Post
    Even if true, you're wrong, because the "shutdown" is more political theatre than actual reality.

    According to local news reports, Aprox. 85% of the Federal Government is remaining in operation right now. Including almost all of the big and important stuff.

    That which isn't, even if not working, will get paid when it's over.

    And the things that ARE closed, like the Parks, are clear-cut political theatre.....because they are still paying a man to put up barriers and to provide security for the "closed" memorials here in DC that otherwise would be open with that same man doing teh same thing sans the barriers.

    The shutdown is a joke. Nothing has changed, hell, traffic here is as bad today as it is any other day, and thats simply not the case on days when the Government is REALLY shut down (like a Federal Holiday weekday).

    Don't fall for media-driven hype Tater, you're far too brilliant for that.
    That's my take on it as well.

    For that matter, when was the last time you heard the word "sequestration," that bugbear that was supposed to cause the country to implode?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill View Post
    Even if true, you're wrong, because the "shutdown" is more political theatre than actual reality.
    Correct or incorrect, I hope the shutdown continues to be hyped by the media. Maybe it will drive some of the sheeple away from voting for the same old D & R cluster**** every year. Baby steps.

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