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Thread: Cromartie Is Suddenly the Jets' Weak Link on Defense

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    Quote Originally Posted by detectivekimble View Post
    He's definitely hurt. His PDs the since he's been a Jet: 17, 12, 13, 0. That 0 should tell you all you need to know. And the guy refuses to sit a game out, so you really don't know how badly he's ever injured. He's missed one game in 7+ years. Yet, people want to rip on him because he goes out there injured and gets beaten. At least he suits up and gives it his all. You can't say that about some other guys on this team.
    That includes playing a session with a broken hip.

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    Cromartie is not the weak link. That long TD on the play fake was caused by not having safety help. I don't care what you say about him but after watching the replay, the guy's a warrior. That could have been Revis on that play and he would have scored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snell41 View Post
    Cro is one of the best CB's in the league. This is just the reality of being spoiled by what Revis did for years. Revis was an all world, all time great with his level of play here. Cromartie is still one of the best in the league, but the reality is the best get beat sometimes. Even with the injuries Cro is far better than any other CB on our team.
    Agree with this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath View Post
    Cro is close to 30 years old now. Hes been in this league for a long time now. It happens. His play has slipped this year. He is still a good corner though.
    IN A Goodson interview, they asked him if he's the fastest guy on the team. He said yes; however, Cromartie is very close to his speed. Even on that long TD which was wrong coverage called and no Safety help, Cro did not look slow as the WR made a few cuts before taking off. Cro recovered but the WR had 2 yds on him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMJK View Post
    Cromartie is not the weak link. That long TD on the play fake was caused by not having safety help. I don't care what you say about him but after watching the replay, the guy's a warrior. That could have been Revis on that play and he would have scored.
    The call is made before the snap so Cro knew or should have known he would not have safety help. Walls also did no have safety help either and he was draped all over Brown on that play. When you look at the overhead shot, you can see that rex calls for a blitz to Ben's left side, puts the SS (Allen) in the box to protect against the draw play and has the FS (Landry) double team Ben's favorite 3rd down target Miller. He played to the %s and Pitt's 3rd tendencies expecting the ball to come out fast; unfortunately, it didn't. One more second or Cro does not get beat inside so easily, we get to Ben and it's all moot. Cro had terrible technique on that play. Knowing it was zero coverage (i.e., no safety help), he did not play with inside leverage stayed flat footed and completely bit on the WR's outside move. This is something Pitt must have seen on tape that he was susceptible to on tape. Note The ONLY thing I can say in defense of Cro is that they bunched the WRs to his side so it gave the WR a free release. Seeing that; he should have been EXTRA conservative instead he completely sells out on that fake. No way in hell Revis gets beat on that play as he doesn't rely strictly on his athleticism the way Cro does. Revis' technique is flawless and painstakingly patient at the start of a WR's route. That is why is rarely caught on double moves the way Cro does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by legler82 View Post
    The call is made before the snap so Cro knew or should have known he would not have safety help. Walls also did no have safety help either and he was draped all over Brown on that play. When you look at the overhead shot, you can see that rex calls for a blitz to Ben's left side, puts the SS (Allen) in the box to protect against the draw play and has the FS (Landry) double team Ben's favorite 3rd down target Miller. He played to the %s and Pitt's 3rd tendencies expecting the ball to come out fast; unfortunately, it didn't. One more second or Cro does not get beat inside so easily, we get to Ben and it's all moot. Cro had terrible technique on that play. Knowing it was zero coverage (i.e., no safety help), he did not play with inside leverage stayed flat footed and completely bit on the WR's outside move. This is something Pitt must have seen on tape that he was susceptible to on tape. Note The ONLY thing I can say in defense of Cro is that they bunched the WRs to his side so it gave the WR a free release. Seeing that; he should have been EXTRA conservative instead he completely sells out on that fake. No way in hell Revis gets beat on that play as he doesn't rely strictly on his athleticism the way Cro does. Revis' technique is flawless and painstakingly patient at the start of a WR's route. That is why is rarely caught on double moves the way Cro does.
    Great details. I was responding to the fact the Cro has lost a step due to his hip and knee which is not so. Ok, Revis doesn't get beat and Cro does. Cro is still an outstanding corner.

    Watching Geno again in this game, you can see him telegraphing his passes especially on that pass to Reuland who was blanketed covered.

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    He's not the weakest link, he's the only link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinny Testaverde's Niece View Post
    He's not the weakest link, he's the only link.
    That's closer to the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eckesg1 View Post
    That's closer to the truth.
    Should have qualified it with 'in the secondary' of course

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    Listen, Cro is not perfect. Said that, he's the best CB we have and def a top 10 in the league. We've been spoiled with Revis for a long time. It's up to Rex to realize this and stop playing Cover Zero and putting our secondary in bad situations.

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    Yeah, looks like getting rid of Revis was SUCH a good idea!

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    Cromartie has been an easy top 10, and occasionally top 5, corner ever since he got here. But he's not playing at that level right now, not even close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDL_JET View Post
    Nothing is much of a surprise here. Cromartie has always been overrated. He continues to get beat and continues to get flagged. He's still our best corner but not nearly as good as some make him out to be.

    IMO he always seems to be out of position, or trailing the WR. It's not often we actually see him batting a ball down/breaking up a play.
    Wrong. He's a top CB. When healthy, he's almost always in position to make a play on the ball. Excellent cover and ball skills. Every number, metric, whatever supports these things.

    If you don't think there's a problem with his hip, then you've never actually watched Cromartie play when fully healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Bandit View Post
    Listen, Cro is not perfect. Said that, he's the best CB we have and def a top 10 in the league. We've been spoiled with Revis for a long time. It's up to Rex to realize this and stop playing Cover Zero and putting our secondary in bad situations.
    Cro has been playing on 1 hip the whole season thus far, and he relies on his athleticism to get by. You don't go from playing CB at a damn near "Revis-like" level last season to getting beat like a drum this season that easy.

    With that being said, Rex needs to tone down on his overload blitzing and putting our CB's on islands until we are healthy in the secondary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjfollower View Post
    Cromartie is never going to be accused of being a technician. He's always gotten by on superior physical traits. When injuries hamper his physical abilities his lack of technical prowess sticks out like a sore thumb.

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    Cromartie has been pretty meh this season. I'm disappointed. Basically I would cut him after this season, hes declining. He has yet to make a play this season. Darrin Walls has actually done a decent job the past 2 games, its been Cromartie getting beat downfield.

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    Rex said" but has no plans to change that strategy yet. "We're not going to back off defensively," he said"

    That has always been Rex's problem. He never changes what does not work. Good example - keep playing Sanchez. Rex is too stubborn to change which is his downfall. Cro is not playing well at all and something should have been changed already.

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    Cro is banged up and should have not played last week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmeyer52 View Post
    FLORHAM PARK, N.J.—While the Jets' offense has been erratic in the team's 3-3 start to the season, the defense has been generally dependable, even in defeat.

    "We didn't make as many mistakes as we thought," defensive lineman Sheldon Richardson said Monday after reviewing film of Sunday's 19-6 loss to Pittsburgh. "Somebody just got beat."

    That somebody was Antonio Cromartie. The Jets' defense might be the league's finest if he didn't give up a deep pass or two every week.

    Cromartie, 29, became the leader of the Jets' secondary after the team traded Darrelle Revis to Tampa Bay during the off-season. At practice, he has given younger players pointers during drills. In games, he's been known to shadow and shut down the opponents' best receivers.

    So it's startling that the two-time Pro-Bowl selection has been the crack in an otherwise impervious defense this season. The Jets are allowing 304 yards a game, the fourth-best mark in the NFL, and they've been especially good at stopping the run, yielding just 76 rushing yards a game.

    Their weakness is when Cromartie guards against a long pass. In each of the past three games, he has surrendered the longest reception for the opposing team, all for at least 46 yards.

    The cornerback has been hindered all season by a hip injury sustained in training camp. And at practice last Friday, his left knee buckled when he tried to change directions during a goal-line drill. But he played Sunday and insisted he was healthy, even after giving up a 55-yard touchdown to Pittsburgh's Emmanuel Sanders. "The knee didn't impact anything at all," he said.

    So what's wrong with Cromartie, if not his health? Former Jets linebacker Bart Scott, now an analyst for CBS Sports Network, said Cromartie simply has harder assignments without Revis, who also missed most of last year with an injury, to complement him. "He's making mistakes because he's going against the best person on the other team," Scott said. "From time to time, you're going to have lapses."

    In reviewing the longest pass that Cromartie has surrendered in each of the past three games, the problem seems to be his technique and, in one case, a superbly talented receiver.

    In the fourth quarter of the Jets' 38-13 loss in Tennessee on Sept. 29, Titans receiver Nate Washington streaked by Cromartie, who had been backpedaling and was slow to turn his hips to follow Washington downfield. He was one step behind Washington when the ball arrived, but he didn't realize that Washington had slowed down to jump for the underthrown pass. When Cromartie jumped for it, he slammed his right shoulder into Washington's left shoulder and bounced to the turf.

    "Cro had just as a good of a shot as the receiver had," coach Rex Ryan said Monday. "It's unfortunate. The receiver played the ball well."

    Cromartie was less at fault the following week, when Atlanta's Julio Jones hauled in a 46-yard catch down the left sideline late in the fourth quarter. Cromartie had matched Jones stride for stride, but Jones used his bigger body to shield the ball.

    Against Pittsburgh on Sunday, he made the same mistake that he made in Tennessee. After Sanders ran toward the end zone's right pylon, he suddenly cut back toward the middle of the field. Cromartie had been backpedaling to face the receiver. "I stayed square too long," he said. "I wasn't able to flip my hips fast enough to get back up the field, so I just got beat inside."

    In all three situations, Cromartie was guarding the receiver one-on-one. Ryan acknowledged he has put Cromartie in those tough situations, but has no plans to change that strategy yet. "We're not going to back off defensively," he said.

    Write to Stu Woo at Stu.Woo@wsj.com

    A version of this article appeared October 15, 2013, on page A27 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: The Jets' Sudden Weak Link.
    YES!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMJK View Post
    Cromartie is not the weak link. That long TD on the play fake was caused by not having safety help. I don't care what you say about him but after watching the replay, the guy's a warrior. That could have been Revis on that play and he would have scored.
    It's not just 1 play.. He continually gets beat long or gets PI penalty when he knows he is beat.. He just isn't consistent sometimes he is guessing out there trying to anticipate WR move.. Revis reads reciever very well, or if he guessed wrong he could adjust very quickly.. Cro is not good enough to go m2m with good receivers.. There is really only 2-3 who can..

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