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    Found on another site....

    In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the
    University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the
    Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior: "A democracy is always
    temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent
    form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until
    the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous
    gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority
    always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from
    the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally
    collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a
    dictatorship."

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
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    In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the
    University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the
    Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior: "A democracy is always
    temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent
    form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until
    the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous
    gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority
    always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from
    the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally
    collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a
    dictatorship."
    Technically we don't have a democracy; we have a republic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMJK View Post
    Technically we don't have a democracy; we have a republic.
    technically..who gives a fukk? The point is still relevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    Found on another site....

    In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the
    University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the
    Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior: "A democracy is always
    temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent
    form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until
    the time that corporations discover that they can lobby themselves generous
    gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the minority
    always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from
    the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally
    collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a
    dictatorship."
    The man makes a point....

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post
    The man makes a point....
    The only point I'm seeing is that you don't appear capable of telling the difference between allowing one to keep their own money vs. actively taking money away fromt hose who earned it to give to someone else as welfare. You also apparently think Businesses can actually vote too......

    But other than that, yeah.

    So, we ever going to hear about your ACA experience? Would have thought you'd be eager to tell us all how great it is.

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    Day by day -- in fact, minute by minute -- Americans (including Obama worshippers) are realizing what a total, absolute and unmitigated disaster Obamacare truly is. And it will get exponentially worse, that is a 100% certainty. Once the really huge chunks of proverbial sh:t start hitting the fan, only one group of people will be able to say that they did anything and everything they possibly could to stop this disastrous, destructive abomination. So yeah, I guess you could say the Tea Party "lost," but everybody ends up a loser (with the exception of all the elites illegally and unconstitutionally exempted from Obamacare).

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakin318 View Post
    Day by day -- in fact, minute by minute -- Americans (including Obama worshippers) are realizing what a total, absolute and unmitigated disaster Obamacare truly is. And it will get exponentially worse, that is a 100% certainty. Once the really huge chunks of proverbial sh:t start hitting the fan, only one group of people will be able to say that they did anything and everything they possibly could to stop this disastrous, destructive abomination. So yeah, I guess you could say the Tea Party "lost," but everybody ends up a loser (with the exception of all the elites illegally and unconstitutionally exempted from Obamacare).
    What are you basing this mass-awakening on Shakes, other than the echo-chmaber of Rush and the like (where this IS said, and said alot).

    Are all your friends and family complaining about the evil of Obamacare? Cause I'm just not seeing the mass'awakening you are, I see typical population being typically uncaring and accepting of this, like S.S., like Medicare, etc, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetPotato View Post
    +1

    The lines have been drawn and the talkers have been effectively separated from the doers. The next stage for the GOP is to clean out the garbage.
    Are you alluding to an End Game?

    What do you see, in a 100% optimistic re-tooling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill View Post
    What are you basing this mass-awakening on Shakes, other than the echo-chmaber of Rush and the like (where this IS said, and said alot).

    Are all your friends and family complaining about the evil of Obamacare? Cause I'm just not seeing the mass'awakening you are, I see typical population being typically uncaring and accepting of this, like S.S., like Medicare, etc, etc.
    It's not an overnight event, although the immediate rollout has been termed a disaster even by liberal talking heads. Everyone at some point will either get a new bill, or the details of their new plan with a massive deductible and ridiculous co-pays, or a letter from their soon-to-be ex-healthcare provider, etc. The degradation of the U.S. healthcare system is an inevitability, as doctors retire in droves and fewer students choose the medical profession -- the direct result of crippling regulations and stripping away the profitability of being a doctor (the looming doctor shortage is a real crisis, google it). To "succeed" Obamacare needed a large number of healthy people to "buy into" the system -- initial data shows that there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of them getting even solid fraction of that number to sign up -- which means that the already skyrocketing costs of everyone who was "lucky" enough to "keep the plan you already have" will have to escalate even higher. With the exception of a small group of people who will now have healthcare "for the first time" (despite the fact that anyone could walk into a hospital for the past 40 years and get care without insurance -- just ask any "undocumented immigrant"), Obamacare is going to be bringing the pain in a big way, and in many many ways, to the quality and availability of our healthcare system, to the quality and quantity of medical research, to our economy as a whole and to the vast majority of Americans.

    Americans are an idiotic and ill-informed bunch for the most part, so a "mass awakening" will be a slow rollout, as each citizen's actual personal experiences begin to override the "all is great" BS they're hearing from our government and the media.
    Last edited by shakin318; 10-17-2013 at 04:37 PM.

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    Ted Cruz is my ****ing hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HessStation View Post
    Ted Cruz is my ****ing hero.
    I love Ted Cruz. But Rand Paul is my guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 24 View Post
    I love Ted Cruz. But Rand Paul is my guy.
    Rand Paul has principles and Cruz is out for the limelight IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMJK View Post
    Rand Paul has principles and Cruz is out for the limelight IMO.
    LOL. What presidential hopeful isnt?

    Cruz did what he said he would do which is fight the ACA. I know a politician sticking to their principles is a foreign concept in Washington.

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    Cruz will never be the nominee. He is good where he is. I like the guy but his voice sounds like a chipmunk, not presidential. Plus I'm not sure he is eligible to be president due to the "Natural Born Citizen" issue.

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    Yeah Ted Cruz is awesome, cost the American economy $24 billion. True patriot and hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakin318 View Post
    Day by day -- in fact, minute by minute -- Americans (including Obama worshippers) are realizing what a total, absolute and unmitigated disaster Obamacare truly is. And it will get exponentially worse, that is a 100% certainty. Once the really huge chunks of proverbial sh:t start hitting the fan, only one group of people will be able to say that they did anything and everything they possibly could to stop this disastrous, destructive abomination. So yeah, I guess you could say the Tea Party "lost," but everybody ends up a loser (with the exception of all the elites illegally and unconstitutionally exempted from Obamacare).
    Quote Originally Posted by shakin318 View Post
    It's not an overnight event, although the immediate rollout has been termed a disaster even by liberal talking heads. Everyone at some point will either get a new bill, or the details of their new plan with a massive deductible and ridiculous co-pays, or a letter from their soon-to-be ex-healthcare provider, etc. The degradation of the U.S. healthcare system is an inevitability, as doctors retire in droves and fewer students choose the medical profession -- the direct result of crippling regulations and stripping away the profitability of being a doctor (the looming doctor shortage is a real crisis, google it). To "succeed" Obamacare needed a large number of healthy people to "buy into" the system -- initial data shows that there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of them getting even solid fraction of that number to sign up -- which means that the already skyrocketing costs of everyone who was "lucky" enough to "keep the plan you already have" will have to escalate even higher. With the exception of a small group of people who will now have healthcare "for the first time" (despite the fact that anyone could walk into a hospital for the past 40 years and get care without insurance -- just ask any "undocumented immigrant"), Obamacare is going to be bringing the pain in a big way, and in many many ways, to the quality and availability of our healthcare system, to the quality and quantity of medical research, to our economy as a whole and to the vast majority of Americans.

    Americans are an idiotic and ill-informed bunch for the most part, so a "mass awakening" will be a slow rollout, as each citizen's actual personal experiences begin to override the "all is great" BS they're hearing from our government and the media.

    Well done.

    Quote Originally Posted by Soberphobia View Post
    Yeah Ted Cruz is awesome, cost the American economy $24 billion. True patriot and hero.
    Penny wise, pound foolish, as they say. 24 billion will seem a pittance when the full impact of this socialist agenda'd pipe dream hits home.

    If it did nothing but re-ignite the debate on Obamacare and cause many who had heretofore not bothered to read the legislation to give it a second look and see the disastrous implications of its hurried, sloppy birth, it will be well worth it.

    Southparks quoting of Alexander Tyler was dead on in this instance.

    People who vote for a living now outnumber those working for a living, and this vanity/legacy mess of a program plays right into that dynamic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 32green View Post
    If it did nothing but re-ignite the debate on Obamacare and cause many who had heretofore not bothered to read the legislation to give it a second look and see the disastrous implications of its hurried, sloppy birth, it will be well worth it.
    "Wait, the government shutdown was over ObamaCare? Are you sure? I think you're wrong - the politicians just wanted some attention and probably more money or nicer offices."
    - Most People

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    Did nothing to hide the deficiencies of Obamacare - in fact did the exact opposite - while the new system was having thousands of teething problems the American public was focusing on the Republicans and their stupidity, not Obamas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soberphobia View Post
    Yeah Ted Cruz is awesome, cost the American economy $24 billion. True patriot and hero.
    Obama's Shutdown. He is the President and has a majority in the Senate, the GOP made reasonable compromises. Obama and company wanted the shutdown so they can blame Republicans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 24 View Post
    Obama's Shutdown. He is the President and has a majority in the Senate, the GOP made reasonable compromises. Obama and company wanted the shutdown so they can blame Republicans.
    You actually think that this is what people are thinking? "Reasonable compromises" lo effing l. The GOP have been overrun by radicals. Yes the shutdown is all Obamas fault so he can "blame Republicans". Jesus, talk about drinking the Kool Aid.

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