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    Quote Originally Posted by Soberphobia View Post
    You actually think that this is what people are thinking? "Reasonable compromises" lo effing l. The GOP have been overrun by radicals. Yes the shutdown is all Obamas fault so he can "blame Republicans". Jesus, talk about drinking the Kool Aid.
    Kool Aid? More like knowing how to think for myself and see what is clear as day. This president has gotten of on Dividing us since day one. The ultimate Bigot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 24 View Post
    Kool Aid? More like knowing how to think for myself and see what is clear as day. This president has gotten of on Dividing us since day one. The ultimate Bigot.
    You're arguing with someone on the other side of the planet who thinks he has his finger on the pulse of America because he reads Politico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetPotato View Post
    You're arguing with someone on the other side of the planet who thinks he has his finger on the pulse of America because he reads Politico.
    Ahh, thanks for the heads up. I love how people from other countries including Canada seem to love Obama knowing they don't have to live with him...

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    Last edited by DDNYjets; 10-18-2013 at 08:20 PM.

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    The default was never an issue but for Obamanomics. There is more then enough money coming thru tax revenue to cover the interest and debt payments. Obama and his stogie at the treasury just have to make the payments. Obama was holding the people hostage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    Bottom line is in 2014 nobody is going to remember this. This will be forgotten like the downgrade and the sequester and every other ratings driven media-hyped crisis. But in 2014 Obamacare will still be here and still be a disaster. Reps need to pick themselves up and dust themselves off and return to being the party of discipline. It is not going to get any easier with Hilary on the next ticket. Weather the storm of the "firsts" and focus on winning back the two houses of Congress.
    Wah wah wah. Yeah like our current healthcare system was so great we had by far the most inefficient and expensive healthcare system in the world. If anything Obamacare didn't go far enough in two areas: 1) healthcare needs to be entirely run by the government and 2) medical malpractice tort law needs to legislated out of existence so healthcare providers can no longer be sued.

    Military healthcare (aka socialist healthcare) costs 1/3 private healthcare. That's what Obamacare needs to be if anything it isn't liberal enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakin318 View Post
    It's not an overnight event, although the immediate rollout has been termed a disaster even by liberal talking heads. Everyone at some point will either get a new bill, or the details of their new plan with a massive deductible and ridiculous co-pays, or a letter from their soon-to-be ex-healthcare provider, etc. The degradation of the U.S. healthcare system is an inevitability, as doctors retire in droves and fewer students choose the medical profession -- the direct result of crippling regulations and stripping away the profitability of being a doctor (the looming doctor shortage is a real crisis, google it). To "succeed" Obamacare needed a large number of healthy people to "buy into" the system -- initial data shows that there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of them getting even solid fraction of that number to sign up -- which means that the already skyrocketing costs of everyone who was "lucky" enough to "keep the plan you already have" will have to escalate even higher. With the exception of a small group of people who will now have healthcare "for the first time" (despite the fact that anyone could walk into a hospital for the past 40 years and get care without insurance -- just ask any "undocumented immigrant"), Obamacare is going to be bringing the pain in a big way, and in many many ways, to the quality and availability of our healthcare system, to the quality and quantity of medical research, to our economy as a whole and to the vast majority of Americans.

    Americans are an idiotic and ill-informed bunch for the most part, so a "mass awakening" will be a slow rollout, as each citizen's actual personal experiences begin to override the "all is great" BS they're hearing from our government and the media.
    ACA/Obamacare is not about a website, despite all its flaws. I agree 100% the rollout has been a disaster and must be fixed. By the way, the Canadian contractor [CGI] got its start working for the U.S. government under George W. Bush.

    I know the right likes to promote this myth that insurance premiums are rising due to Obamacare. That's a crock of sh!t. I work for a global law firm. My health insurance is provided by Aetna. I have a PPO and my insurance has increased each year, every year well before Obamacare became the law [2010]. Makes for a good talking point but is not reality.

    I realize, for political reasons, the opponents of ACA want to highlight the problems with the website (healthcare.gov). Ok, that's fair game and the Administration should be taken to task for this fiasco. However, I don't recall the same level of outrage to the problems encountered during the implentation of Medicare Part D [prescription drug bill passed by the GOP Congress and signed by Bush]; a benefit that Bush said would cost $300 million and was more like $1 Trillion -- and not paid for too. Yet, today, that new benefit enjoys strong public approval among seniors. In fact, the tremendous gains Republicans have enjoyed from seniors [was formerly a reliable voting block for Democrats] is directly attributed to the expansion of medicare under President Bush with the new benefit of prescription drugs.

    ACA expands coverage to 40 million Americans who do not have health coverage now. It is the right thing to do. While all of us on this website have coverage through our employers, those who are not fortunate enough to have health insurance costs us taxpayer billions when they are in the emergency room for an illness. For students, like myself when I was in college, ACA extends coverage until 26/27 years old (IIRC)? There are many other provisions that the public will love once they experience the benefit. Just as seniors have with Medicare Part D. That's why the right is fighting this bill with such force. If it is such the disaster they say, then let it be and Obama and Democrats will face the consequences. Instead, Cruz, Lee, Bachmann and other Tea party crazies think shutting down the government is the solution. And at a cost of $24 BILLION. Incredibly stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    Wah wah wah. Yeah like our current healthcare system was so great we had by far the most inefficient and expensive healthcare system in the world. If anything Obamacare didn't go far enough in two areas: 1) healthcare needs to be entirely run by the government and 2) medical malpractice tort law needs to legislated out of existence so healthcare providers can no longer be sued.

    Military healthcare (aka socialist healthcare) costs 1/3 private healthcare. That's what Obamacare needs to be if anything it isn't liberal enough.
    I strongly disagree. The private sector must play a role in healthcare to offset government ineffectiveness and inefficiencies. The innovation of the private sector benefits consumers. The purchasing power of the government can help control costs.

    That's crazy. What remedy do you suggest for individuals who have been hurt/injured?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetssjumets View Post
    I strongly disagree. The private sector must play a role in healthcare to offset government ineffectiveness and inefficiencies. The innovation of the private sector benefits consumers. The purchasing power of the government can help control costs.

    That's crazy. What remedy do you suggest for individuals who have been hurt/injured?
    The private sector is wildly inefficient at running healthcare. I know because I actually work in this field doing admin and I see the numbers everyday. The cost of a procedure, appointment, treatment etc. anything at a private hospital is 3X the cost of what it is at military hospital or VA and that's a conservative claim alot of times it's even more.

    You can recycle all the garbage you hear on right-wing radio, Fox News, the media and the insurance companies' billion dollar PR campaigns it is all rubbish. The private sector is more efficient at running certain services but not with healthcare. The providers all are subject to getting sued, the providers want insane money, the insurance companies want insane money and the the trial lawyers want crazy money too and then people wonder why a roll of toilet paper in a privately run hospital costs $100.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    The private sector is wildly inefficient at running healthcare. I know because I actually work in this field doing admin and I see the numbers everyday. The cost of a procedure, appointment, treatment etc. anything at a private hospital is 3X the cost of what it is at military hospital or VA and that's a conservative claim alot of times it's even more.

    You can recycle all the garbage you hear on right-wing radio, Fox News, the media and the insurance companies' billion dollar PR campaigns it is all rubbish. The private sector is more efficient at running certain services but not with healthcare. The providers all are subject to getting sued, the providers want insane money, the insurance companies want insane money and the the trial lawyers want crazy money too and then people wonder why a roll of toilet paper in a privately run hospital costs $100.
    Yeah.... the Post Office does a better job than FEDEX and UPS as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    Wah wah wah. Yeah like our current healthcare system was so great we had by far the most inefficient and expensive healthcare system in the world. If anything Obamacare didn't go far enough in two areas: 1) healthcare needs to be entirely run by the government and 2) medical malpractice tort law needs to legislated out of existence so healthcare providers can no longer be sued.

    Military healthcare (aka socialist healthcare) costs 1/3 private healthcare. That's what Obamacare needs to be if anything it isn't liberal enough.
    Tell me. How does Obama's taint taste?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soberphobia View Post
    You actually think that this is what people are thinking? "Reasonable compromises" lo effing l. The GOP have been overrun by radicals. Yes the shutdown is all Obamas fault so he can "blame Republicans". Jesus, talk about drinking the Kool Aid.
    IMO the radicals are the establishment on both sides of government. The average American beig taxed up to 50% is radical. The government officials fighting for less government are the minority. But doesn't mean they're the radical ones.
    Last edited by HessStation; 10-19-2013 at 07:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    The private sector is wildly inefficient at running healthcare. I know because I actually work in this field doing admin and I see the numbers everyday. The cost of a procedure, appointment, treatment etc. anything at a private hospital is 3X the cost of what it is at military hospital or VA and that's a conservative claim alot of times it's even more.

    You can recycle all the garbage you hear on right-wing radio, Fox News, the media and the insurance companies' billion dollar PR campaigns it is all rubbish. The private sector is more efficient at running certain services but not with healthcare. The providers all are subject to getting sued, the providers want insane money, the insurance companies want insane money and the the trial lawyers want crazy money too and then people wonder why a roll of toilet paper in a privately run hospital costs $100.
    I'd love you're source for the $100 roll of TP. By the way, the reason many drugs cost more at private hospitals is to subsidize the loss they take selling to the gov buyers. Forcing people to seek thier product at a loss is not "more efficient"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetssjumets View Post
    I strongly disagree. The private sector must play a role in healthcare to offset government ineffectiveness and inefficiencies. The innovation of the private sector benefits consumers. The purchasing power of the government can help control costs.

    That's crazy. What remedy do you suggest for individuals who have been hurt/injured?
    Tort Reform is a Conservative idea. Maybe Det is coming around?

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    Meh.

    My insurance premiums went down this year. Just like they did last year.























































    OBAMA! NA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post
    Meh.

    My insurance premiums went down this year. Just like they did last year.























































    OBAMA! NA!
    Seriously? That isn't the case for most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 24 View Post
    Seriously? That isn't the case for most.
    Meh.

    Mine went up drastically when Obama was a senator in Illinois.

    No scary Obamacare to blame for that. But it happened anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post
    Meh.

    Mine went up drastically when Obama was a senator in Illinois.

    No scary Obamacare to blame for that. But it happened anyway.
    System is broke and both sides are to blame. The ones trying to give the people the power back are the ones being ridiculed as radicals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetssjumets View Post
    ACA/Obamacare is not about a website, despite all its flaws. I agree 100% the rollout has been a disaster and must be fixed. By the way, the Canadian contractor [CGI] got its start working for the U.S. government under George W. Bush.

    I know the right likes to promote this myth that insurance premiums are rising due to Obamacare. That's a crock of sh!t. I work for a global law firm. My health insurance is provided by Aetna. I have a PPO and my insurance has increased each year, every year well before Obamacare became the law [2010]. Makes for a good talking point but is not reality.

    I realize, for political reasons, the opponents of ACA want to highlight the problems with the website (healthcare.gov). Ok, that's fair game and the Administration should be taken to task for this fiasco. However, I don't recall the same level of outrage to the problems encountered during the implentation of Medicare Part D [prescription drug bill passed by the GOP Congress and signed by Bush]; a benefit that Bush said would cost $300 million and was more like $1 Trillion -- and not paid for too. Yet, today, that new benefit enjoys strong public approval among seniors. In fact, the tremendous gains Republicans have enjoyed from seniors [was formerly a reliable voting block for Democrats] is directly attributed to the expansion of medicare under President Bush with the new benefit of prescription drugs.

    ACA expands coverage to 40 million Americans who do not have health coverage now. It is the right thing to do. While all of us on this website have coverage through our employers, those who are not fortunate enough to have health insurance costs us taxpayer billions when they are in the emergency room for an illness. For students, like myself when I was in college, ACA extends coverage until 26/27 years old (IIRC)? There are many other provisions that the public will love once they experience the benefit. Just as seniors have with Medicare Part D. That's why the right is fighting this bill with such force. If it is such the disaster they say, then let it be and Obama and Democrats will face the consequences. Instead, Cruz, Lee, Bachmann and other Tea party crazies think shutting down the government is the solution. And at a cost of $24 BILLION. Incredibly stupid.
    This post is loaded with issues. 2 of the worst are that all of us have healthcare paid for by our companies and the lack of understand that this all has to be paid for by someone. I am a private contractor and my family benefits cost me ~$1300/month. I will be seeing my rate increase in November. I will let you know how much it increases. And for who has to pay for the supposed 40 million people that don't have healthcare who justify forcing everyone to have a huge umbrella policy that covers nonsense like sex changes other things, you're welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trades View Post
    This post is loaded with issues. 2 of the worst are that all of us have healthcare paid for by our companies and the lack of understand that this all has to be paid for by someone. I am a private contractor and my family benefits cost me ~$1300/month. I will be seeing my rate increase in November. I will let you know how much it increases. And for who has to pay for the supposed 40 million people that don't have healthcare who justify forcing everyone to have a huge umbrella policy that covers nonsense like sex changes other things, you're welcome.
    Most individuals, including myself, obtain healthcare insurance through employment. It is a benefit provided by companies, law/accounting/pr, firms, etc. According to your post, you are a private contractor. Not to get personal, but do you own the company or an employee? In regards to rate increases, that has nothing to do with ACA. Insurance companies have been increasing premiums well before the ACA became law. That is a fact. My premium with Aetna [provided thru the law firm I work for] has more than doubled from what I was paying in the mid 2000s. Btw, I am perfectly healthy, don't smoke nor do I drink.

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