The rule was that once a players arm was going forward, even if he then tucked it away, it would be ruled an incomplete pass if it was knocked away. I can only guess but my sense is they were trying to make it easier for the refs. At what point as the QB's arm is going forward is the ref supposed to know if the QB is meaning to pass it or not?
As an older fan, every time I see that play, including but not limited to that time, I leap up and yell "FUMBLE". Unfortunately for the Raiders on that day and all of the Tuckheads since, that play was called correctly. I've seen it plenty of times before and since.
The bolded part is where we disagree. At what point in the play constitutes a "tuck". I submit that when his LEFT hand touches the football when it was close to his body, the ball was tucked - not attempting to tuck. Your definition of whether he was mid attempt or not is where we disagree.NFL Rule 3, Section 22, Article 2, Note 2. When [an offensive] player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. Also, if the player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble.
Was it a complete tuck? By your definition, if I attempt to throw a pass and never bring the ball back to my body, and someone knocks it out - then it is an incomplete pass. The "tuck" was completed. Fumble.
Speaking of the Raiders, I bet many of you don't know that the Raiders motto that they proudly wore from the 70's on, was, hold on... get ready... If you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'. It's kind of funny to see them and their fans crying now. Is that classic stuff or what?
The NFL rules distinguish elsewhere between "hands", "arms" and "body". In fact, I think the "illegal use of hands" penalty is described in the rules as "illegal use of hands, arms or body". So "body" in this context likely means "torso", i.e. not the hands or arms. So I tend to think it is just a dumb rule that was properly applied.
Goodell destroyed the evidence, all you need to know.
Who cares if the Pats gets calls. That's beyond our control.
What we can control is
- stop making dumb challenges
- managing your timeouts properly
- stop calling dumb plays
- blocking and tackling
- stop throwing interceptions
- catching the ball
- throwing the ball accurately
- playing proper technique
All this other stuff is happy sauce. Richardson needs to STFU and hit Brady. Stop thinking about other ****.