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Thread: Mel Kiper Jr. listed Sheldon Richardson #1 on his Top 5 rookies list so far.....

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    [QUOTE=pdxjets;5038259]
    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Life View Post
    Sheldon was first last week too and Kiko just got 4 tackles last game. No surprise Sheldon kept his #1 spot so far.[/QUOTE

    That's okay. Kiko must have been tired. He had 22 the week before.
    Whats funny about Kiko is that he is lost in coverage. Most of his picks were either thrown right at him or deflections. Right time right place. He gave up a TD last week over the middle to Gibson near half time. He is a tackling machine but he's way overrated in coverage.

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    Kiper wrote that he liked the Geno Smith pick that the Jets made. Didn't he kill them on draft night for taking him or am I not remembering correctly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Choon328 View Post
    Kiper wrote that he liked the Geno Smith pick that the Jets made. Didn't he kill them on draft night for taking him or am I not remembering correctly?
    No that was Mayock, Kiper just affirmed that Geno may not be a franchise QB if rushed. Clearly he was slightly wrong in his assertion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Choon328 View Post
    Kiper wrote that he liked the Geno Smith pick that the Jets made. Didn't he kill them on draft night for taking him or am I not remembering correctly?
    Kiper hyped Jimmy Clausen as the best prospect the year he came out then the very next year said Carolina the team that drafted him had to take Cam. Kiper knows 0 about QBs in the draft. He bashed everyone in this class and so far Glennon, Geno, and Manuel have all looked solid and you can bet that we will see more get their shots.

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    if memory serves me correct
    5. ogletree
    4. star
    3. vecarro
    2. alonso
    1.richardson

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    Quote Originally Posted by jzelada121 View Post
    where is Dion Jordan on that list?
    Who? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icer View Post
    Who? lol
    Seriously, has he even made a single play this year? I haven't hear a lick about this dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenwichjetfan View Post

    Sheldon has been more consistently excellent. If he keeps having big games I don't see why he shouldn't win out the award.
    Because he's not playing a sexy position. Sheldon is in the trenches, fighting against big O-linemen. The people voting on these awards will barely notice him.

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    Here's the list...

    1. Sheldon Richardson, DT, New York Jets He's been a solid, steady performer week after week for the Jets. It's interesting to note that Richardson is the top rookie defensive lineman in the NFL right now and former Jets first-rounder Muhammad Wilkerson is right there among the the top overall defensive lineman in the NFL at this point. Richardson is particularly dominant against the run, with great vision and a sense of where the ball is headed. Rex Ryan has to be thrilled with the line he has right now, and second-year man Damon Harrison has also been outstanding.
    2. Kiko Alonso , ILB, Buffalo Production, athleticism, instincts and passion for the game are what get your attention. The former Oregon Duck is currently leading the Bills defense with 70 tackles, while also recording a sack and coming away with four interceptions. He's all over the field right now, and you can tie Alonso's presence to an overall improvement for the defense, given his versatility and that he never comes off the field. He struggled against the Bengals two weeks ago but has looked good since.
    3. Kenny Vaccaro , S, New Orleans He's played nothing close to mistake-free football, but he doesn't come off the field for a defense that is giving up 102 fewer yards per game than they did last year. Vaccaro's best area has been in coverage, and he simply needs to be more consistent both in his routes and his tackling. But he's made a difference. He's also made some big plays, including the game-saver against Atlanta.
    4. Star Lotulelei , DT, Carolina His combination of power and quickness makes life miserable for opposing guards and centers. The way he disrupts a blocking scheme allows MLB Luke Kuechly to flow to the football and lead the Panthers defense in tackles. What you end up with is a player who is already one of the best run-game disruptors in the NFL, both through his own ability to create stops and because he occupies blocks so well.
    5. Alec Ogletree , LB, St. Louis His speed and athleticism fits today's pass-happy NFL perfectly. The former Georgia Bulldog has been a key entity on defense for the Rams, making his presence felt in a variety of ways. Ogletree is second on the team with 51 tackles, just four behind MLB James Laurinaitis . He's also broken up four passes and come away with an interception that he returned for a touchdown. He overruns plays and can miss reads, but he'll get better.
    6. Geno Smith , QB, New York Jets He's battled through some rough games and shown tremendous resiliency, leading the Jets to four wins in the early going, which is more wins than 18 teams in the NFL. I thought going into the 2013 campaign that the Jets would win only 4-5 games the entire season. Smith bounced back from a poor performance against the Steelers to lead the Jets to an upset victory over Tom Brady and the Pats this past Sunday. What impressed me with Smith was his ability to convert critical third down opportunities, while again showing that he can beat a defense with his arm and his legs. Is he a starter on most teams? Probably not. But I liked the pick, and I like what he's made of his situation.
    7. Keenan Allen , WR, San Diego Maybe he's a little high based on aggregate performance, but this shows some respect for the trend line. After a slow start (not uncommon for a rookie wide receiver) he's now tied for the team lead in targets among WRs with 37, and has 23 of his 26 receptions over the last four games. Allen is a first-round talent that lasted until the third because he couldn't get healthy during the draft process. The Chargers are reaping the benefits.
    8. Tyrann Mathieu , S, Arizona When we'd have meetings in preparation for the draft, Jon Gruden would argue that Mathieu was worth a first-round pick because of his natural football instincts and his ability as a playmaker. Gruden was right. Mathieu looks like a steal at this point, has played over 400 snaps, can play slot, safety, come on blitzes and, so far, do pretty much everything well. He's a football player.
    9. Eric Reid , S, San Francisco He's only fifth on the team in tackles, but he's been a big-play performer as a rookie starter in the 49ers deep patrol. Reid has broken up five passes, picked off three passes -- he had two last year at LSU -- and also recovered a fumble. If he can limit missed tackles, he's a contender for defensive rookie of the year.
    10. Jordan Reed , TE, Washington Flying up the board. He moves into the top 10 after a spectacular performance this past Sunday against the Bears. He's currently second on the team with 26 receptions, two of which have gone for TDs. The super-talented pass-catching TE has become a key go-to guy for RG III. He dropped to the third round after some so-so combine numbers -- particularly an average 40 time for a guy pegged as an athletic tight end -- but he's showing he can play.
    11. Giovani Bernard , RB, Cincinnati He hasn't been able to break off a big run and has seen his average yards per carry drop in recent weeks, but his role in the offense is more defined, and his versatility is obvious. With Bernard, you have to talk about the role in the passing game. He's already hauled in 25 receptions and is on pace for about 1,400 total yards, and it's still early.
    12. Desmond Trufant , CB, Atlanta He got off to just an OK start but has improved over the last four weeks, and is now playing like the best corner the Falcons have -- and Asante Samuel is a part of that secondary. Trufant's great strength is that he doesn't have a distinct weakness. He covers well, limits yards after the catch and maintains his versatility.
    13. Eddie Lacy , RB, Green Bay I'm giving a bump based on recent performance and trajectory, and because he missed time after a cheap shot. Lacy has been good when he's played, but missed basically three full games after taking that shot to the head against Washington. A full 301 of his 352 rushing yards for the season have come over the last three games. And more importantly, he looks capable of truly diversifying the Packers offense, which says a lot.
    14. Travis Frederick , C, Dallas He got abused early in a matchup with Dontari Poe of the Chiefs, but he's bounced back and has combined with veteran free-agent signee Brian Waters to solidify the interior of the Cowboys offensive line, which had been a major weak link in previous seasons. I didn't love the value of the draft slot, but Frederick is making the pick look good so far.
    15. DeAndre Hopkins , WR, Houston I'm giving Hopkins the benefit of the doubt because the QB play has suffered in recent weeks and his totals have as well. I had him ranked higher early, with 18 of his 28 receptions coming during the first three games of the season. Good hands and explosiveness after the catch will keep him valuable.
    16. Terrance Williams, WR, Dallas: On pace to join the top 10, Tony Romo appears to trust him.
    17. Larry Warford, OG, Detroit: Play has dipped lately, but still a solid starter out of Round 3.
    18. D.J. Fluker, OT, San Diego: It's clear he belongs on the right side. But he'll be a good one there.
    19. David Bakhtiari, OT, Green Bay: A slow start has given way to steady play. And on a vital blindside.
    20. Ezekiel Ansah, DE, Detroit: Steady against the run, he's still searching as a pass-rusher.
    21. Barkevious Mingo, OLB, Cleveland: Still more flash than consistent production.
    22. Kawann Short, DT, Carolina: Will see more time at the rate he produces.
    23. Joe Vellano, DT, New England: Pressed into action, he's been good. Chris Jones has been as well.
    24. Tyler Eifert, TE, Cincinnati: Just needs more targets. Even when covered, he can bring it in.
    25. Marcus Cooper, CB, Kansas City: Undrafted out of Rutgers, he's making waves so far.
    26. Kyle Long, OG, Chicago: Steady as a run-blocker, he needs to pass-protect better.
    27. Kayvon Webster, CB, Denver: The third-rounder has stepped up for Denver.
    28. Kenbrell Thompkins, WR, New England: Uneven play, but the potential is obvious. Needs time.
    29. EJ Manuel, QB, Buffalo: He's a legacy pick, but put up some good early results.
    30. J.J. Wilcox, S, Dallas: Strong play in recent weeks. I thought he might make it as a rookie starter and he has.
    31. Jordan Mills, OT, Chicago: Has struggled after a good start, but holds down a starting spot.
    32. Robert Woods, WR, Buffalo: Uneven QB play has hampered his production.
    33. Andre Ellington, RB, Arizona: Can run it and catch it, not a distant reach from Bernard's production.
    34. Tavon Austin, WR, St. Louis: The yardage is light, but starting to pile up the catches and targets.
    35. Eric Fisher, OT, Kansas City: Maligned because of draft slot expectations, he's starting to play better.
    36. Mike Glennon, QB, Tampa Bay: Up and down, but could crack the top 20 soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GenoT View Post
    Normally i would agree, but we do have Coples to play in his spot that week. Thats where coples should be playing anyway, its his natural position.Richardson's been so good,he's had to fight off alot of double teams.These are NFl players, not College guys.
    You have an uninjured young DEFENSIVE LINEMAN and you want to rest him?

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    Where is Chance? I was on that bandwagon. My scouting from the couch skills SUCK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xmarco View Post
    Where is Chance? I was on that bandwagon. My scouting from the couch skills SUCK.
    People tend to forget OL take years to develop. All the teams that jumped on LTs arent even playing them at LT right now. Fisher was demoted to RT and has split time. Joackel is on the IR. Johnson is playing RT because Philly already had a pro bowl LT. Cooper is on the IR in Zona. Flucker was demoted to RT as well. That one was at least callable IMO. Pugh has been bad as the Giants RT that Brewer has been getting more playing time. Warmack hasnt looked bad but he has looked top 10 good either. Frederick and Kyle Long look like the bargains of the 1st round right now. I really liked Long too. I thought he was going to be overlooked but so many OL went in the 1st he ended up going much earlier then expected. Even 2nd round Menelik Watson not playing a lot. We where lucky to get Winters IMO who has looked just as good as any of them, better in most cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McGinley View Post
    Seriously, has he even made a single play this year? I haven't hear a lick about this dude.
    I think he has a sack, maybe not

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    Alonso has 70 tackles?? Geez, on pace for 140-150, that is insane

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