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    Why in the world would you want to bring him here His career might be over....his days with the Dolphins are done.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood Nosebleed View Post
    You keep talking about Martin being 6-5 312, but meanwhile Incognito is 6-3 319. Martin's choices were to tell the coach, which he did but nothing happened. He could also fight him and be suspended or suffer more abuse. Instead he went to the top because nobody would listen to him.
    The only person here who's ignorant is you.
    Unbelievable, another clueless retard has chimed in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood Nosebleed View Post
    You keep talking about Martin being 6-5 312, but meanwhile Incognito is 6-3 319. Martin's choices were to tell the coach, which he did but nothing happened. He could also fight him and be suspended or suffer more abuse. Instead he went to the top because nobody would listen to him.
    The only person here who's ignorant is you.
    Nosebleed,

    Ignore that dumbass. If ignorance was a blessing, he would be a saint. Any rational person can see Martin is the victim here. Those who do not, like jetrider, believe Martin should have handled the situation by fighting back. That's how a 300lb NFL player should settle a dispute -- get into a fight and escalate the situation further. Keep in mind how many NFL players have guns. One is already accused of murder. Who knows what Incognito would've done? It is not far fetch to think he could've acted on his threats to Martin's family or hire someone to do so. Again, just look at the AH case.

    IIRC, in Florida, a young girl just killed herself several weeks ago due to the bullying by her peers. A Florida college (I don't recall the school) was rocked when hazing went too far with Members of the band and a student was killed.

    Lastly, the news this morning is reporting that the coaches asked Incognito to "toughen up" Martin. If true, Miami's organization is liable here. But it reaffirms Martin's actions 100%. It was bad enough Incognito was a Member of the Council of Leaders (Miami does not have Captains). The message sent by the Dolphins to Martin was that this behavior was sanctioned from the top on down. What was he supposed to do? Oooops, according to some like Jetrider, escalate the situation by fighting back because in a civilized society, that's how grown ups settle disputes.

    P.S. If Martin did fight back and beat the crap out of Incognito, he could've been in serious legal jeopardy. Those who are advocating that position should consider the legal ramifications as well as other factors. Martin, as the victim, handled this the right way despite what a few knuckleheaded fans may think or some dumbass athletes with the intelligence level of a stone.

    One other point, time-and-time again, we see/hear about workplace violence. A phrase has been coined "going postal" for disgruntled employees taking actions into their own hands to settle a dispute by shooting their workplace colleagues. Again, many...many NFL players have guns. If this situation ended in a tragedy like Martin killing Incognito or other players/coaches or Dolphins's employees, the very same people advocating for Martin to "man up" would be singing a different tune.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jetssjumets View Post
    Any rational person can see Martin is the victim here.
    Here's a rational question: which player would you think is more committed to protecting his quarterback, Martin or Incognito?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sackdance View Post
    Here's a rational question: which player would you think is more committed to protecting his quarterback, Martin or Incognito?

    Sign the beast.
    Here is another rational question: Which player is most likely to be a cancer and disruptive in the clubhouse? DO NOT SIGN THIS IDIOT!

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    Looks like rottenfish coaches ordered Code Red.
    This will be fun to watch unfold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetssjumets View Post
    Nosebleed,

    Ignore that dumbass. If ignorance was a blessing, he would be a saint. Any rational person can see Martin is the victim here. Those who do not, like jetrider, believe Martin should have handled the situation by fighting back. That's how a 300lb NFL player should settle a dispute -- get into a fight and escalate the situation further. Keep in mind how many NFL players have guns. One is already accused of murder. Who knows what Incognito would've done? It is not far fetch to think he could've acted on his threats to Martin's family or hire someone to do so. Again, just look at the AH case.

    IIRC, in Florida, a young girl just killed herself several weeks ago due to the bullying by her peers. A Florida college (I don't recall the school) was rocked when hazing went too far with Members of the band and a student was killed.

    Lastly, the news this morning is reporting that the coaches asked Incognito to "toughen up" Martin. If true, Miami's organization is liable here. But it reaffirms Martin's actions 100%. It was bad enough Incognito was a Member of the Council of Leaders (Miami does not have Captains). The message sent by the Dolphins to Martin was that this behavior was sanctioned from the top on down. What was he supposed to do? Oooops, according to some like Jetrider, escalate the situation by fighting back because in a civilized society, that's how grown ups settle disputes.

    P.S. If Martin did fight back and beat the crap out of Incognito, he could've been in serious legal jeopardy. Those who are advocating that position should consider the legal ramifications as well as other factors. Martin, as the victim, handled this the right way despite what a few knuckleheaded fans may think or some dumbass athletes with the intelligence level of a stone.

    One other point, time-and-time again, we see/hear about workplace violence. A phrase has been coined "going postal" for disgruntled employees taking actions into their own hands to settle a dispute by shooting their workplace colleagues. Again, many...many NFL players have guns. If this situation ended in a tragedy like Martin killing Incognito or other players/coaches or Dolphins's employees, the very same people advocating for Martin to "man up" would be singing a different tune.
    Sounds "cool" but in reality in order to stand down a BULLY one must stand up to him eventually. A BULLY never takes the path with major resistance! He seeks out the most vulnerable who offer the least resistance. I'd rather be judged by a jury of 6 then be carried out of the church by 6 of my relatives or friends! Fancy talking on the street does not work. There is no simple answer to this and everyone has an opinion. I have seen victims murdered because they never stood up for themselves. I have seen BULLYS cower when a former victim stood up for himself. No one person has all the answers. Throwing words at a BULLY might work for some in a school room but in a school yard its a different story. I think not allowing yourself to become a victim works better then fancy words.

    Now reports are surfacing that INCOGNITO was put up to this nonsense to "toughen" up Martin by BLOWFISH coaches. If true it is a disgusting turn of events!
    Last edited by Kentucky Jet; 11-06-2013 at 07:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kentucky Jet View Post
    Here is another rational question: Which player is most likely to be a cancer and disruptive in the clubhouse?
    That would be the one who flipped out and quit the team because he couldn't handle some bullsh*t in the cafeteria. Pro football ain't summer camp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sackdance View Post
    Here's a rational question: which player would you think is more committed to protecting his quarterback, Martin or Incognito?

    Sign the beast.
    Neither. Miami's OL was arguably the worst in the NFL BEFORE the Incognito/Martin situation blew up. No thanks, pass.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kentucky Jet View Post
    Here is another rational question: Which player is most likely to be a cancer and disruptive in the clubhouse? DO NOT SIGN THIS IDIOT!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sackdance View Post
    That would be the one who flipped out and quit the team because he couldn't handle some bullsh*t in the cafeteria. Pro football ain't summer camp.
    How come INCOGNITO has been kicked off every team he has played on dating back to college? Martin has apparently led a charmed life and mentally he may not be prepared to hang with "street types". Still if a man can play tackle well why does he need to be the subject of bullying? Does it make the bully more of a man? or a better player? Winning in TEAM sports is what is important and this childish nonsense has no place in a locker room imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kentucky Jet View Post
    Sounds "cool" but in reality in order to stand down a BULLY one must stand up to him eventually. A BULLY never takes the path with major resistance! He seeks out the most vulnerable who offer the least resistance. I'd rather be judged by a jury of 6 then be carried out of the church by 6 of my relatives or friends! Fancy talking on the street does not work. There is no simple answer to this and everyone has an opinion. I have seen victims murdered because they never stood up for themselves. I have seen BULLYS cower when a former victim stood up for himself. No one person has all the answers. Throwing words at a BULLY might work for some in a school room but in a school yard its a different story. I think not allowing yourself to become a victim works better then fancy words.

    Now reports are surfacing that INCOGNITO was put up to this nonsense to "toughen" up Martin by BLOWFISH coaches. If true it is a disgusting turn of events!
    I hear what you are saying. But in a sport that is very violent and a significant majority of NFL players own guns, that course of action is not wise. Sometimes it is best to walk away and let cooler heads prevail. Martin seeking another direction, which may include legal remedies as well as the NFL banning bullying in the locker room, will prove to be the best thing out of this sorry episode. As for the coaches, they may lose their jobs over this.....and rightly so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kentucky Jet View Post
    How come INCOGNITO has been kicked off every team he has played on dating back to college? Martin has apparently led a charmed life and mentally he may not be prepared to hang with "street types". Still if a man can play tackle well why does he need to be the subject of bullying? Does it make the bully more of a man? or a better player? Winning in TEAM sports is what is important and this childish nonsense has no place in a locker room imo.
    I agree with you 100%. Well said. Kudos!! By the way, NBC's Toda show had a segment on air this morning. Reported that Incognito was just banned from the popular Miami nightclub, LIV, just two weeks ago due to his conduct. This idiot has a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetssjumets View Post
    I hear what you are saying. But in a sport that is very violent and a significant majority of NFL players own guns, that course of action is not wise. Sometimes it is best to walk away and let cooler heads prevail. Martin seeking another direction, which may include legal remedies as well as the NFL banning bullying in the locker room, will prove to be the best thing out of this sorry episode. As for the coaches, they may lose their jobs over this.....and rightly so.
    We do not really know about a significant majority of players owning guns. Still if true how many have used them for crime( Hernandez)? A few for sure but bullying has gone on since the dawn of time. Have we heard of other NFL players killing a bully in the locker room? Not saying it can not happen. Yet we have seen fist fights on the practice field. If a bully is stopped in his tracks in the very beginning he will cease to be a bully. Thus extreme violence might possibly be averted down the road. All situations are different and there is no single best answer. I just feel that on the streets to stop a bully one must offer resistance.

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    Then Rex should be fired and put in jail for trying to toughen up Gholston on Hard Knocks. Clearly Gholston was a victim. His coach made someone pick on him.

    Bottom line is that the new age PC participation trophy culture does not mesh with the NFL. Incognito crossed the line when he made the racist comment but up until then he was doing something that is part of NFL culture. And to be honest Incognito is a victim in this as well. Here is a guy that clearly had major behavioral issues and was attempting to work through them and had some success in that the past couple of years which is why he was being commended by the media and his teammates. He was then put in a position which made it easy to regress to his past behavior and he fell into the trap. Sicking a guy like Incognito on Martin is basically putting a recovering alcoholic in a bar. Clearly based on his history Incognito was a guy that was prone to crossing the line and that is exactly what happened here.

    This is just a failure of veteran leadership to police themselves. It is not a conspiracy by the HC and GM. These are grown men, they should be able to handle themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetssjumets View Post
    I agree with you 100%. Well said. Kudos!! By the way, NBC's Toda show had a segment on air this morning. Reported that Incognito was just banned from the popular Miami nightclub, LIV, just two weeks ago due to his conduct. This idiot has a problem.
    Thank you. This has been a very nice discussion with you. There is room for all points of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    Then Rex should be fired and put in jail for trying to toughen up Gholston on Hard Knocks. Clearly Gholston was a victim. His coach made someone pick on him.

    Bottom line is that the new age PC participation trophy culture does not mesh with the NFL. Incognito crossed the line when he made the racist comment but up until then he was doing something that is part of NFL culture. And to be honest Incognito is a victim in this as well. Here is a guy that clearly had major behavioral issues and was attempting to work through them and had some success in that the past couple of years which is why he was being commended by the media and his teammates. He was then put in a position which made it easy to regress to his past behavior and he fell into the trap. Sicking a guy like Incognito on Martin is basically putting a recovering alcoholic in a bar. Clearly based on his history Incognito was a guy that was prone to crossing the line and that is exactly what happened here.

    This is just a failure of veteran leadership to police themselves. It is not a conspiracy by the HC and GM. These are grown men, they should be able to handle themselves.
    Neither you nor I really know what the facts are in this case. There are varying degrees of " toughening up" a person. Forcing someone to hand over 15 thousand bucks goes a bit beyond the scope of playing football. Yet we do not have the all facts. In general I stand with the school of thought that to stop a bully one must stand up to that bully. Yet I am also aware that all the facts are not known in this case.

    And the guy who fought Gholston was ROBERT TURNER and he wound up on the ground. Gholston did fight back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    Then Rex should be fired and put in jail for trying to toughen up Gholston on Hard Knocks. Clearly Gholston was a victim. His coach made someone pick on him.
    This is so stupid, I don't know where to begin. I would hope you could separate motivational tactics with over-the top and possibly illegal behavior. Nothing occurred with the Jets that is remotely close to what is transpiring in Miami. What was Gholston a victim of? The Dolphins allowed this to escalate into dangerous territory. What part of that do you not understand? Or, is this justanother attempt by you to take a swipe at the Jets? This is why you are known as DDNE, and now, DDFINS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    Then Rex should be fired and put in jail for trying to toughen up Gholston on Hard Knocks. Clearly Gholston was a victim. His coach made someone pick on him.

    Bottom line is that the new age PC participation trophy culture does not mesh with the NFL. Incognito crossed the line when he made the racist comment but up until then he was doing something that is part of NFL culture. And to be honest Incognito is a victim in this as well. Here is a guy that clearly had major behavioral issues and was attempting to work through them and had some success in that the past couple of years which is why he was being commended by the media and his teammates. He was then put in a position which made it easy to regress to his past behavior and he fell into the trap. Sicking a guy like Incognito on Martin is basically putting a recovering alcoholic in a bar. Clearly based on his history Incognito was a guy that was prone to crossing the line and that is exactly what happened here.

    This is just a failure of veteran leadership to police themselves. It is not a conspiracy by the HC and GM. These are grown men, they should be able to handle themselves.
    Don't forget about Ihedigbo and Big Vlad. They called them King of the Uglies. Lawsuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kentucky Jet View Post
    Neither you nor I really know what the facts are in this case. There are varying degrees of " toughening up" a person. Forcing someone to hand over 15 thousand bucks goes a bit beyond the scope of playing football. Yet we do not have the all facts. In general I stand with the school of thought that to stop a bully one must stand up to that bully. Yet I am also aware that all the facts are not known in this case.

    And the guy who fought Gholston was ROBERT TURNER and he wound up on the ground. Gholston did fight back.
    Quote Originally Posted by jetssjumets View Post
    This is so stupid, I don't know where to begin. I would hope you could separate motivational tactics with over-the top and possibly illegal behavior. Nothing occurred with the Jets that is remotely close to what is transpiring in Miami. What was Gholston a victim of? The Dolphins allowed this to escalate into dangerous territory. What part of that do you not understand? Or, is this justanother attempt by you to take a swipe at the Jets? This is why you are known as DDNE, and now, DDFINS.
    The Gholston analogy was tongue-in-cheek but also to display how every team tries to toughen up their players and that the Dolphins are no different. And like I said in the next paragraph clearly the Dolphins situation escalated in went above and beyond. Not a shot at the Jets b.c I like what Rex tried doing in that situation and if you noticed the team kind of rallied behind Gholston there.

    Going back to last year the Dolphins began questioning Martin's toughness and his heart so they made an effort to test him and try to build him up (which ironically ended up destroying him). I think by coughing up the money and not fighting back that he lost the respect of his teammates. He showed no pride, no fight. Like it or not that is kind of how things work in the NFL. Now keep in mind that this is the guy responsible for protecting Tannehill's blind side and Tannehill has been taking a beating this year. Clearly their OL issues don't fall solely on Martin but he is replacing Jake Long and the LT is the most visible position on the OL.

    I don't think Incognito is a racist b.c I don't think a racist can work 10 years in a place where the majority of his coworkers are black and not have an issue up until now. I could be wrong, Incognito could be racist mastermind, but part of me thinks he called Martin a "half-n" as a last resort to try and force the fight out of him. Clearly poor judgement and it cannot be excused. Incognito is paying a price his behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stanner View Post
    Don't forget about Ihedigbo and Big Vlad. They called them King of the Uglies. Lawsuit.
    Vlad has taken a ton of crap from coaches, teammates, fans and the media. But I also think that Vlad is the type of guy that if he felt uncomfortable would know how to handle himself and seeing what has gone on down in Miami makes you appreciate that. I also think we have plenty of veteran leadership back then. The only year where we had a dearth of leadership was 2011 and we know how that ended up. Goes to show you the importance of having real leaders on the team.

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