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    Did Jets make a mistake signing Reed?

    It may be all handshakes and smiles right now, but bringing in Ed Reed will prove to be a decision the Jets will regret.

    Adding a name with Ed Reed's stature may seem like a no-brainer decision, but these types of moves are best reserved for your Madden franchise. The truth is, there are a lot more risks in bringing in the future Hall-of-Famer.

    The Jets have not simply brought in slower version of Ed Reed. They brought in a player that has been in a steady decline before he was released from the Houston Texans—and everyone except for the Jets has taken notice.

    As much as the Jets' secondary as struggled at times, adding a player that is just a few months removed from career-altering hip surgery has a better chance of making it worse rather than patch it up over seven short weeks.

    Just How Bad is Ed Reed?

    Mitch Stringer-USA TODAY Sports
    For roughly a decade, NFL teams have feared to throw in Ed Reed's direction, for their of Reed making a game-changing interception was overwhelming.

    Now, quarterbacks should be aware of where Reed is, but not because they are still afraid of him—they should actually start targeting him as a weak link in the secondary.

    In his 275 snaps as a Houston Texan, quarterbacks have a perfect rating (158.3) when throwing at someone who was once one of the most feared players in NFL history (according to Pro Football Focus).

    Not only has he has yet to get once of his signature interceptions this year—he has not defended a single pass.

    Reed's play caused a severe drop in playing time. By the time he was released, he was averaging less than 40 snaps per game, which is roughly half of a typical snap total for a starter.

    The Texans essentially benched Reed, and for good reason. He was a huge liability in the back end, even when doing what he crafted a Hall of Fame resume on: roaming centerfield, reading the play in front of him.

    Here, Reed will drop into a deep Cover 1 position where he can read and react to the quarterback's eyes.

    NFL Game Rewind
    Meanwhile, Vernon David will run a deep "out" pattern.

    Reed sees Davis getting open and breaks to make a play on the ball, but his legs are not moving as fast as his brain. Reed is far too late to the ball, and Davis is left to make the easy catch.

    NFL Game Rewind
    Now, it is Reed's sole job to find a way to get Davis down to limit the damage. However, Reed again overrates his own speed and takes a bad angle to the ball.

    Notice how much yardage Reed takes up in relation to Davis—Davis eats up nearly twice as much ground as Reed while beating him to the edge.

    NFL Game Rewind
    As a result, Reed is left on the turf, while Davis trots in for the touchdown.

    NFL Game Rewind
    It is certainly sad to see such a decorated player abused in this fashion, but this is the reality of what Ed Reed is as a player at this point in his career. Yes, his instincts are still functional, but his legs are a few steps behind what is going on in his head.

    Not Addressing the Problem

    It is hardly a secret that the Jets' secondary has underperformed this season, but unless Ed Reed is five years younger and plays cornerback, adding him to the secondary will do little to solve their problem of allowing too much yardage through the air.

    For the most part, the Jets' safeties have been at least satisfactory. The real issue of their pass defense falls on the shoulders of the cornerbacks.

    The Jets have, arguably, the worst set of starting cornerbacks in the league. According to Pro Football Focus, Antonio Cromartie and Dee Milliner rank 102nd and 93rd (out of 106) at their position.

    I'm not sure how Ed Reed would fit the #Jets defense. Dawan Landry is the deep safety most of the time and Reed isn't going to replace him.

    — Gonzalo Estradé (@PFF_Gonzalo) November 14, 2013
    Meanwhile, while the incumbent starter at free safety, Dawan Landry, has been anything but a dominant player, he has at least held his own in preventing big plays from getting worse.

    Currently ranked as the 17th-best safety in the NFL in Pro Football Focus' rankings, Landry has yielded just a 57.9 completion percentage.

    It comes to no surprise that Rex Ryan has already stated that Reed will not be a starter, at least in the short term:

    Rex says Ed Reed will play, but not start, vs Bills on Sunday. #nyj

    — Manish Mehta (@MMehtaNYDN) November 14, 2013
    There are plenty of reasons as to why the Jets have been so vulnerable against the pass (especially considering how dominant their defensive line has been), but the safety play is not the area of the team that needs a desperate signing of a fading veteran to stop the bleeding.

    The Monetary Effect

    As of this writing, Ed Reed's contract details have not been officially released, but let's work under the assumption that the Jets got Reed for the veteran's minimum for a player with over 10 years of experience (Reed has 12), $940,000 (h/t ProFootballTalk).

    As a ten-year vet, minimum salary for Ed Reed would be $940,000, or $55,294 per week.

    — Andrew Brandt (@adbrandt) November 14, 2013
    This total will be paid over the next seven weeks, giving the Jets a salary cap total of $387,058.

    7 weeks. RT @Ryan_Alfieri how much will Ed Reed count against the cap for the Jets? Will it be 940k or the seven-week total?

    — Andrew Brandt (@adbrandt) November 15, 2013
    This may not seem like a lot of money, but it is important to remember that any salary cap room not used carries over to the next season.

    Therefore, the Jets are taking nearly $400k out of their pocket next season in what should be a somewhat aggressive, rebuilding offseason for a player who will only make their secondary worse.

    Sure, $400k is not going to make or break the Jets season in 2014, but $400k here, $400k there and all of a sudden the Jets are taking away room to sign a quality free agent starter or give extra bonus money to a veteran extension. Remember, they are already paying "extra" contracts to mid-season signings such as David Nelson and Josh Cribbs.

    If Reed was truly a difference-maker that could vault the Jets into the playoffs, $400k would be well spent. Based on his play, however, any cost, albeit a small one, is not worth what they are getting in return.

    Messing With Success

    Larry French/Getty Images
    Even if Rex Ryan can stretch his defensive genius even further to turn Reed into a serviceable player in a highly-specific role, this signing is a somewhat concerning sign for a team that was in the perfect position through the first half of the season.

    Earlier this week, the Jets were young, talented and were operating with seamless chemistry between one another. This team was supposed to be rebuilding; the fact that they were 5-4 was a bonus, and any wins they get between now and they end of the season is gravy.

    By signing Reed, the Jets are starting to push their luck with what is a well-balanced, young team.

    Winning changes things. Interesting that Rex Ryan has the influence (again) to convince GM John Idzik to sign Ed Reed.

    — Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) November 14, 2013
    The old, desperate Jets under Mike Tannenbaum likely would have signed Reed—after all, they made a similar move when acquiring wide receiver Derrick Mason in 2011. Ironically, Mason would be traded to the Texans a month into the season.

    Elsa/Getty Images
    Derrick Mason's path to the Jets is eerily similar to that of Ed Reed's
    While he was nowhere near the caliber of player that Reed was throughout his career, Mason was regarded as a veteran leader with the Baltimore Ravens. In a new environment in New York, Mason had reportedly become a "cancer" on his new team.

    This is not to say that Reed will become a self-centered "cancer," but Mason's case is a perfect example of how a veteran that is used to controlling a locker room may not mesh with a new environment. Just like Mason, Reed also had familiarity with head coach Rex Ryan.

    After all, Reed has already admitted himself that he was "not a fit" with the Texans, who was the first team he played for after 11 seasons with the Baltimore Ravens.

    The Jets already have an issue on their hands in dealing with an accomplished player who was not taking his diminishing role on the field well on his former team:

    Ed Reed says he didn't accept not being a starter well. "am I not doing my job? Or am I not being tested?" #Texans

    — Tania Ganguli (@taniaganguli) November 8, 2013
    The most concerning aspect of this signing is how the Jets are reverting to their old ways of acquiring "quick fixes" to their problems. Yes, the secondary has not played well through eight games, but acquiring a rapidly regressing player for a young team that has just found its stride is exactly the type of move the previous regime would have made.

    So far, John Idzik has not made many mistakes in his first year as general manager, but this will likely turn out to be one of the few stains on his record in 2013.

    Advanced statistics provided by ProFootballFocus.com (subscription required).

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmeyer52 View Post
    It may be all handshakes and smiles right now, but bringing in Ed Reed will prove to be a decision the Jets will regret.

    Adding a name with Ed Reed's stature may seem like a no-brainer decision, but these types of moves are best reserved for your Madden franchise. The truth is, there are a lot more risks in bringing in the future Hall-of-Famer.

    The Jets have not simply brought in slower version of Ed Reed. They brought in a player that has been in a steady decline before he was released from the Houston Texans—and everyone except for the Jets has taken notice.

    As much as the Jets' secondary as struggled at times, adding a player that is just a few months removed from career-altering hip surgery has a better chance of making it worse rather than patch it up over seven short weeks.

    Just How Bad is Ed Reed?

    Mitch Stringer-USA TODAY Sports
    For roughly a decade, NFL teams have feared to throw in Ed Reed's direction, for their of Reed making a game-changing interception was overwhelming.

    Now, quarterbacks should be aware of where Reed is, but not because they are still afraid of him—they should actually start targeting him as a weak link in the secondary.

    In his 275 snaps as a Houston Texan, quarterbacks have a perfect rating (158.3) when throwing at someone who was once one of the most feared players in NFL history (according to Pro Football Focus).

    Not only has he has yet to get once of his signature interceptions this year—he has not defended a single pass.

    Reed's play caused a severe drop in playing time. By the time he was released, he was averaging less than 40 snaps per game, which is roughly half of a typical snap total for a starter.

    The Texans essentially benched Reed, and for good reason. He was a huge liability in the back end, even when doing what he crafted a Hall of Fame resume on: roaming centerfield, reading the play in front of him.

    Here, Reed will drop into a deep Cover 1 position where he can read and react to the quarterback's eyes.

    NFL Game Rewind
    Meanwhile, Vernon David will run a deep "out" pattern.

    Reed sees Davis getting open and breaks to make a play on the ball, but his legs are not moving as fast as his brain. Reed is far too late to the ball, and Davis is left to make the easy catch.

    NFL Game Rewind
    Now, it is Reed's sole job to find a way to get Davis down to limit the damage. However, Reed again overrates his own speed and takes a bad angle to the ball.

    Notice how much yardage Reed takes up in relation to Davis—Davis eats up nearly twice as much ground as Reed while beating him to the edge.

    NFL Game Rewind
    As a result, Reed is left on the turf, while Davis trots in for the touchdown.

    NFL Game Rewind
    It is certainly sad to see such a decorated player abused in this fashion, but this is the reality of what Ed Reed is as a player at this point in his career. Yes, his instincts are still functional, but his legs are a few steps behind what is going on in his head.

    Not Addressing the Problem

    It is hardly a secret that the Jets' secondary has underperformed this season, but unless Ed Reed is five years younger and plays cornerback, adding him to the secondary will do little to solve their problem of allowing too much yardage through the air.

    For the most part, the Jets' safeties have been at least satisfactory. The real issue of their pass defense falls on the shoulders of the cornerbacks.

    The Jets have, arguably, the worst set of starting cornerbacks in the league. According to Pro Football Focus, Antonio Cromartie and Dee Milliner rank 102nd and 93rd (out of 106) at their position.

    I'm not sure how Ed Reed would fit the #Jets defense. Dawan Landry is the deep safety most of the time and Reed isn't going to replace him.

    — Gonzalo Estradé (@PFF_Gonzalo) November 14, 2013
    Meanwhile, while the incumbent starter at free safety, Dawan Landry, has been anything but a dominant player, he has at least held his own in preventing big plays from getting worse.

    Currently ranked as the 17th-best safety in the NFL in Pro Football Focus' rankings, Landry has yielded just a 57.9 completion percentage.

    It comes to no surprise that Rex Ryan has already stated that Reed will not be a starter, at least in the short term:

    Rex says Ed Reed will play, but not start, vs Bills on Sunday. #nyj

    — Manish Mehta (@MMehtaNYDN) November 14, 2013
    There are plenty of reasons as to why the Jets have been so vulnerable against the pass (especially considering how dominant their defensive line has been), but the safety play is not the area of the team that needs a desperate signing of a fading veteran to stop the bleeding.

    The Monetary Effect

    As of this writing, Ed Reed's contract details have not been officially released, but let's work under the assumption that the Jets got Reed for the veteran's minimum for a player with over 10 years of experience (Reed has 12), $940,000 (h/t ProFootballTalk).

    As a ten-year vet, minimum salary for Ed Reed would be $940,000, or $55,294 per week.

    — Andrew Brandt (@adbrandt) November 14, 2013
    This total will be paid over the next seven weeks, giving the Jets a salary cap total of $387,058.

    7 weeks. RT @Ryan_Alfieri how much will Ed Reed count against the cap for the Jets? Will it be 940k or the seven-week total?

    — Andrew Brandt (@adbrandt) November 15, 2013
    This may not seem like a lot of money, but it is important to remember that any salary cap room not used carries over to the next season.

    Therefore, the Jets are taking nearly $400k out of their pocket next season in what should be a somewhat aggressive, rebuilding offseason for a player who will only make their secondary worse.

    Sure, $400k is not going to make or break the Jets season in 2014, but $400k here, $400k there and all of a sudden the Jets are taking away room to sign a quality free agent starter or give extra bonus money to a veteran extension. Remember, they are already paying "extra" contracts to mid-season signings such as David Nelson and Josh Cribbs.

    If Reed was truly a difference-maker that could vault the Jets into the playoffs, $400k would be well spent. Based on his play, however, any cost, albeit a small one, is not worth what they are getting in return.

    Messing With Success

    Larry French/Getty Images
    Even if Rex Ryan can stretch his defensive genius even further to turn Reed into a serviceable player in a highly-specific role, this signing is a somewhat concerning sign for a team that was in the perfect position through the first half of the season.

    Earlier this week, the Jets were young, talented and were operating with seamless chemistry between one another. This team was supposed to be rebuilding; the fact that they were 5-4 was a bonus, and any wins they get between now and they end of the season is gravy.

    By signing Reed, the Jets are starting to push their luck with what is a well-balanced, young team.

    Winning changes things. Interesting that Rex Ryan has the influence (again) to convince GM John Idzik to sign Ed Reed.

    — Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) November 14, 2013
    The old, desperate Jets under Mike Tannenbaum likely would have signed Reed—after all, they made a similar move when acquiring wide receiver Derrick Mason in 2011. Ironically, Mason would be traded to the Texans a month into the season.

    Elsa/Getty Images
    Derrick Mason's path to the Jets is eerily similar to that of Ed Reed's
    While he was nowhere near the caliber of player that Reed was throughout his career, Mason was regarded as a veteran leader with the Baltimore Ravens. In a new environment in New York, Mason had reportedly become a "cancer" on his new team.

    This is not to say that Reed will become a self-centered "cancer," but Mason's case is a perfect example of how a veteran that is used to controlling a locker room may not mesh with a new environment. Just like Mason, Reed also had familiarity with head coach Rex Ryan.

    After all, Reed has already admitted himself that he was "not a fit" with the Texans, who was the first team he played for after 11 seasons with the Baltimore Ravens.

    The Jets already have an issue on their hands in dealing with an accomplished player who was not taking his diminishing role on the field well on his former team:

    Ed Reed says he didn't accept not being a starter well. "am I not doing my job? Or am I not being tested?" #Texans

    — Tania Ganguli (@taniaganguli) November 8, 2013
    The most concerning aspect of this signing is how the Jets are reverting to their old ways of acquiring "quick fixes" to their problems. Yes, the secondary has not played well through eight games, but acquiring a rapidly regressing player for a young team that has just found its stride is exactly the type of move the previous regime would have made.

    So far, John Idzik has not made many mistakes in his first year as general manager, but this will likely turn out to be one of the few stains on his record in 2013.

    Advanced statistics provided by ProFootballFocus.com (subscription required).

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    Get quotes from people who played the game, im sure they'll have a totally different opinion. These are the same kind of baffoons who had us winning two or three games this year.

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    So if he does not work out he can be cut. What risk is there? He knows Rex Ryans system and he was hurt plus playing on a 2-6 team. Seems like a good move to me. Safety was our weak link on defense any way

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    I guess this could not have fit into any of the 8 other Reed threads.

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    Simple answer....No.

    Close thread and move on.

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    Let the guy play first before we make assumptions...

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    Slow day at the office for moron reporters.. What happens when jets haven't played in almost two weeks.. Amazing, if pats signed reed same idiot reporter would be saying " hall of famer reed chooses pats over old coach" ha these guys are drama writers not sport writers..

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    Would this crap have been written if Reed signed with any of the other 31 teams? Answer is no

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    Go watch his interview on Jets site, you'll find out quickly what a class act this guy is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBAKE View Post
    Simple answer....No.

    Close thread and move on.
    +1

    Low risk, high potential reward. Ed is like a lease with the option to buy....no big commitment. If he doesn't work out then what did the Jets lose by signing him?

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    The way I look at it is we traded Ricky Sapp for Ed Reed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBAKE View Post
    Simple answer....No.

    Close thread and move on.
    +1 Good player fits the D and is a leader in the backfield. Even at half of what he was a better S then JJ.

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    Like many defenders, if we get big pressure on the QB he will look good and make some plays, if we don't he'll look horrible.

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    OP "forgot" to mention this is a bleacherreport "article". Trash, pure and unmitigated. By this idiot...



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    Quote Originally Posted by freestater View Post
    OP "forgot" to mention this is a bleacherreport "article". Trash, pure and unmitigated. By this idiot...


    They let people write BR from county lockup??

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    In his 275 snaps as a Houston Texan, quarterbacks have a perfect rating (158.3) when throwing at someone who was once one of the most feared players in NFL history (according to Pro Football Focus).

    But PFF also reported on how many passes were thrown at Ed Reed... a grand total of THREE, out of 275 snaps. So looks like QBs are avoiding throwing at Reed... changes the narrative a bit, don't you think?

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    The comparison of the Jets getting Mason and then Reed doesn't work at all. Mason didn't play for Rex in Baltimore, Rex was the DC, Mason was (obviously) an offensive player. Reed's played in this exact same system, there's a much better chance of him succeeding.

    The fact is that if New England signed Reed every single member of the media would've praised it as a brilliant pickup. **** them

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    Without even reading this, and obviously Im really selective with my posts following this site for four years, how does this even make it to the stuff I have to read? Some of you "so-called" Jet fans are clueless. Hate I even replied to this one.....only because Im drinking

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    Guess the big question will be, has he still got his legs?

    Have to wait and see.

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    As a matter of fact, I think it's time for me to start posting for real. All these cats with these super critical opinions about Rex and our so called "sorry team" are just stupid. I read all these posts about how my team ain't ish and whatever......if you're a real Jets fan that actually has an opinion of your own "not the media", you woulda felt like me. Rex is a diehard competitor.....no where near the horrible coach you guys claim him to be. Guys want to play for him..Trevor Price probably put it best when he said "when they called, it was a no brainer". Players want to play for our coach, some above all others. That has to mean something. Players dont want to play for a coach that they feel isn't "good enough". Reed chose us over the Pats.....we won games this season said we had no chance. And if you know like I know, they're a damned tought opponent. Stop looking for problems and please enjoy/support your coach that is doing the job of a lifetime....as well as these players that are playing as if theyre lives depended on it. One thing Ive seen is that my team will fight......what more do you want?

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