Rex took the same roster Mangina had - a HOF QB and went to back2back AFCGs.
I am sick of these, "it's not Rex's fault!" threads.
Rex is a great defensive coordinator but a terrible leader, he's not head coaching material. Neither is Mangini for that matter. He had no social skills, every player hated him except for noodle arm. Mangini is a robot, all about numbers, stats and scheming. He'd make for an awesome executive (Scout / GM hybrid role) with Rex being maybe the best defensive coordinator in the league. Then you add in a headcoach who can lead a team and bond with the players and boom that's a perfect staff.
Last edited by DaBallhawk; 12-26-2013 at 06:19 AM.
Mangini's biggest issues (and the reason he was fired) had to do with his personality.
He was trying too hard to be like his mentor BB, instead of being himself. He rubbed people the wrong way, esp Woody Johnson.
The reality is , Mangini got the job way too early. How many 35 year olds with only 1 year as a DC, and 9 years as a low level Defensive Assistant can walk into NYC and coach a team from 4-12 to 10-6 and a playoff spot in his first year?
That is a testament to his smarts, understanding of the game, discipline and hard work. If he had more experience he would have been a more confident and better head coach. He got the HC job about 10 years too soon.
Mangini did not have a HOF QB for the last 5 games in 2008 and had an injured QB and garbage back up in 2007
In 2008 Mangini had the Jets 8-3 and headed to a division title with serious SB chance before Favre tore his biceps tendon in his throwing arm and came up lame the last 5 games. They finished 9-7 that year and came up short. Thats the same record Rex had in his first year and was lucky enough to be good to get into the playoffs. Lets not forget, Indy and Cinci no showed the last 2 games to allow Rex to get to 9-7. That team easily would have been 8-8 or even 7-9 had Indy and Cinci actually played the game. Mangini didnt have that luxury. Miami needed a win for the divivsion and did not lay down for Eric. If they did Mangini gioes 10-6 and a playoff berth.
Your second mistake is assuming Mangini and Rex had the same team. They did not. Rex added Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard to significantly upgrade ILB and SS. Two weaknesses in Mangini's last year. Yes Sanchez was not Favre, but he also wasnt Kellen Clemens or Brett Ratliff which is what Mangini had available the last 5 games in 2008 when Favre tore his bicep
Good thread.... Yes, if they deserve just as much blame as Rex then Rex must deserve just as much punishment as them. The OP's logic is irrefutable.
Nobody was in those war rooms but I have to believe that many of the decisions made during that period were the product of input from all parties. In other words, Rex p1issed into those pots too no matter how hard some around here try to spin history otherwise.
Not one winning season in the last three.
Thats Rex's talent, Rex's players, right there. One of the least talented rosters in the NFL, heavily invested inoe spot, the D-line, with what feels like half a dozen #1 and #2 picks there alone.
One totally usted QB. One bust in the making. Three O-Co's (and counting).
I asked in another thread, but outside of D-line, who, exactly has Rex aquired and developed in his five years in New York, who has Rex made an All-pro outside the D-line?
Not everything I think is a Patrick Ramsey, after all. I get a few right too
Not quite true. I wanted Grimm, yes. But Rex was a close second choice, I supported his hiring, and had some measure of faith in him up until last year.I'll give you this you didn't like Rex from the start and wanted Russ Grimm for the HC job .. BTW Revis didn't make All Pro till he got in Rex's system.
I'll give Rex credit for how he's handling the D-Line and how he's developing and coaching those guys up. I don't know for a fact that he does but considering his background I'm sure he's got to do a lot with the way Wilk, Rich, Kenrick & Snacks are playing and dominating. But stop giving him credit for something he had nothing to do with. He had no effect on how Revis is and was playing. If you're gonna do that then go ahead and bash him for not being able to turn Rhodes into a hall of fame safety, because under Mangini that guy played at a Pro Bowl level. Once Mangini left he turned into ****. But I'm not blaming Rex because he had nothing to do with it. Rhodes just sucked, Revis was great and would have been played the same under 90% of the coaches. There's like a couple coaches like Mangini that could have gotten more out of him, and some that maybe would have ruined him by making him play a different style. And for the record, I hated Mangini as a human being. But when it comes to football, scheming and all that I think he's one of the best in the league. Similar to Rex, but in a different way. And I like Rex as a person, love him as a coordinator. Don't think he's head coaching material.
Anyway, we're getting off topic here. Just wanted to throw that in there.